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""yes it's why Jesus gospel IS repent ( FROM SIN) The kingdom of Heaven is near

"Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near." (Mat 3:2, Mat 4:17)
The gospel is definitely not "repent FROM SIN".

Where did you get that idea from?

The gospel is stated by Paul in 1 Corinthians 1:15

Now I make known to you, brothers and sisters, the gospel which I preached to you,
which you also received, in which you also stand, by which you also are saved, if you
hold firmly to the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
For I handed down to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died
for our sins
according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised
on the third day according to the Scriptures
.

The gospel as written above by Paul is the primary doctrine of Christianity.

You cannot be saved unless you truly believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
That is ground zero in Christianity. The gospel stands by itself above and beyond human
comprehension.

Your holiness, your love, your Christian life, are all in a distant secondary place to the gospel.

A person can be saved by hearing the gospel without ever having a bible or even reading
a bible.

A person can be saved without ever visiting a church or any church for that matter.

A person can be saved without a shred of theology, or any interpretation.

God has removed all possible human interaction with the gospel, it cannot be
altered. The gospel itself, a simple gospel, of Christ's sacrifice to atone for our sin
forever!

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God.

We do not contribute to our salvation by any obedience, we have no input.
 

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you do not seem to know the difference between the covenant(s) it is why you do not understand, study the differences and see.

Define law of the spirit of Christ, is this in scripture even?
Don't twist my words. It is the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.

You are the one displaying your ignorance of the old and new covenants. The law came through Moses, grace and truth through Lord Jesus.

Answering your question fully would take me more time than I have right now. However, a Jewish believer, Professor James Tour, wrote this some years ago. It covers most of what I would say to you if I had time.

https://www.jmtour.com/personal-topics/letter-to-michael/

Also read Acts 15.
 

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yes but you and many other here forget that Jesus came MAINLY to preach repentance AND the Kingdom of Heaven. gospel means good news, in this case the good news of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Matthew 4:17 (NKJV):
"From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, 'Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.'"

And here is Mark 1:15 (NKJV):
"And saying, 'The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent and believe in the gospel.'"

Do you believe the Kingdom of Heaven is coming?, Do you know what to do to be part of it? What does scripture says about this?

True. Here is #4 amended: Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel or good news needs to repent and accept God in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).

I believe Christ is Lord = King, but the Heaven part is only tasted in this life. (MT 6:10, HB 6:5)
 

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A christian that does not want to repent and continues to sin is the same as Jezebel
So not taking a days rest a Sabbath is sin?. Why I ask, in the first post you quoted me, I was referring to a poster who used a verse about lawlessness carnal minded towards another about not obeying the Sabbath. Is that how you feel also?
 

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The NT good news regarding salvation is that God has made it possible by providing Jesus as the atonement for all sin. God's requirement for receiving forgiveness of sin and salvation is expressed succinctly in 2CR 4:5 & CL 2:6 as “Accept Christ Jesus as Lord”.

The main points of Christian orthodoxy implicit in this statement can be explained or elaborated as follows:
  1. There is a/one all-loving and just Lord or God (DT 6:4, JN 3:16, 2THS 1:6), who is both able (2TM 1:12) and willing (1TM 2:3-4) to provide all morally accountable human beings salvation or heaven—a wonderful life full of love, joy and peace forever.
  2. Human beings are selfish or sinful (RM 3:23, 2TM 3:2-4, CL 3:5), miserable (GL 5:19-21), and hopeless (EPH 2:12) when they reject God’s salvation (JN 3:18).
  3. Jesus is God’s Messiah/Christ or the way (means of providing salvation) that God has chosen (JN 3:16, ACTS 16:30-31, PHP 2:9-11), although pre-NT truthseekers could/can learn a proto-gospel (vice the full NT Gospel) per RM 1:20, etc.
  4. Thus, every person who hears the NT Gospel needs to accept God in Jesus as Christ/Messiah the Lord or Supreme Commander (LK 2:11, JN 14:6, ACTS 16:31), which means trying to obey His commandment to love one another (MT 22:37-40, JN 13:35, RM 13:9)—forever (MT 10:22, PS 113:2).
  5. Then God’s Holy Spirit will establish a saving relationship with those who freely accept Him (RV 3:20) that will eventually achieve heaven when by means of persevering in learning God’s Word everyone cooperates fully with His will (RM 8:6-17, GL 6:7-9, EPH 1:13-14, HB 10:36, 12:1, JM 1:2-4).
1. No one loves God by dishonoring Him Rom 2:22-23 or profaning Him Eze 22:26 and having a wonderful life full of joy and peace one would be keeping God's commandments- His version

Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then
your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

2. Agree- nothing has changed

3. People only teach part of the gospel message- the good news about Jesus salvation. But what are we saved from? Sin separated us from God Isa 59:2 We are saved from sin Mat 1:21, we are not saved in sin Heb 10:26-30 Mat 7:21-23

Why the gospel message needs to include this, that not many do

Luke 24:47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Because we need to confess and forsake our sins Pro 28:13 through our faith and love in Jesus Christ we cann overcome through His Spirit John 14:15-18

And I think its important we allow God to be God and define what sin is, and not decide what we think it is because we are not God.

1 John 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.
James 2:10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.

Breaking any of the Ten Commandments is sin and anything not of faith. Rom 14:23- like not having faith to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God but living by our own standard of righteousness and our standard of truth and not God's which is unchanging Psa 119:142 Isa 561-6 Psa 119:172 Psa 119:151

4. Loving our neighbor is the summary of the Ten Commandments that deal with the commandments of love towards mankind. Rom 13:9 The greatest commandment to love God with all our heart soul and mind come from this same unit but deal with the commandments on how to love God. Exo 20:3-11. What many try to do is define what love is in their own mind, but the scriptures do not teach this- love to man and to God is keeping His commandments 1 John 5:2-3 His version, as God wrote Ten Commandments and numbered them by design Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28, the only law in scripture numbered and they were never suggestions or multiple choice. This IS the love of God that we keep His commandments. 1 John 5:3 not meant to be burdensome but to bless Rev 22:14 because they are perfect converting our soul Psa 19:7

Its like summarizing the constitution in one word- justice- does that mean we keep our own version of what justice means which is different for everyone, or do we still have to keep the law the way it states. No different than God's law- He spoke, He wrote, no man can edit, He said He would not Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18 and really we are playing a dangerous game of semantic that God only wrote 9 of the Ten Commandments in the NC covenant when He said He wrote His law Heb 8:10 forgetting the commandment He said to Remember that is holy and blessed by God, kept by Jesus and the apostles and His faithful followers according to the commandment. Luke 23:56- that's a dangerous doctrine. The Sabbath is the only commandment that shows who the God is who wrote His law- the only God who has the power to create heaven and earth Exo 20:11 why keeping shows a sign He is our God, we are His people Eze 20:20.

5. Agree- Jesus loves us so much why He has the Holy Spirit calling on us TODAY to come out of our rebellion and sin Heb 3:7-8 He wants us free from our bondage of sin which is breaking His law- how free would we be if everyone was breaking God's law- free to murder, free to steal, free to commit adultery, free to worship other gods, what kind of state would this world be in- not walking in the law of Liberty that frees us from that bondage the devil wants to keep us in.

Its no different than the Sabbath commandment. God made an appointment with mankind every seventh day Sabbath because He knows we need physical rest and spiritual rest in Christ which is what the Sabbath provides. Heb 4:10, Heb 4:4 Man needs God's sanctification and blessing, which is what the Sabbath provides Eze 20:12 a way to join ourselves to Christ Isa 56:1-6. Man rejects this, in lieu of their own sanctification, their own blessing, their own works, and rejecting Christ which I don't think is going to work out so well Eze 22:26

We are not to live by sight or "feelings" but by every Word that proceeds out of the moth of God Mat 4:4, so what might not make sense to us, matters not because God's ways are above our ways and how many thus saith the Lords does one have to pass to disregard the Sabbath commandment- a lot. Almost every argument man created against the Sabbath, there is a thus saith the Lord they have to dismiss. Just the state of the world we are in.

Jesus in His own Words said the Sabbath is something man does, not something He does and that changes not in the New Heaven and New Earth

Isa 66:22 “For as the new heavens and the new earth
Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the Lord,
“So shall your descendants and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass
That from one New Moon to another,
And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,says the Lord.


Without God's sanctification is not a good place to be come Judgement Day Isa 66:17

If we don't want to keep the Sabbath now, will we suddenly want to in heaven? I don't believe its going to work out that way. God loves us so much and would never force us to do something against our will.

Lets get back to what God said while we have time to change our direction from all the false teachings that have been handed down over the centuries

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

Before its too late Rev 22:11
 

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The everlasting gospel is about only worshipping God

Jesus related false worship with keeping our rules over obeying the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments Mat 15:3-14

We all have sinned (broke God's law) and deserve death Rom 6:23 but Christ gave us another option

Christ died for our sins 1 Cor 15:3 not so we can continue in sin as we are told

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

We need a conversion in Christ- to walk in His righteousness, and live how He lived for our example 1 John 2:5-6

Which is why we need to:

Luke 24:47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Because we need to confess and forsake our sins Pro 28:13 through our faith and love in Jesus Christ we can overcome through His Spirit John 14:15-18

The everlasting gospel includes the Sabbath- it shows complete surrender and trust in the God of Creation, the only God who can sanctify us Eze 20:12

Heb 4:1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, [a]not being mixed with faith in those who heard it.

Heb 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His.
Hebrews 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

Why Rev 14 is so important telling us to come out of our false teachings and to worship the God of Creation

Rev 14:6 Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come- see Ecc 12:13-14 ; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”
No coincidence this is quote from the Sabbath commandment Exo 20:11

8 And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon[f] is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”

9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

The everlasting gospel that is the good news of Jesus Christ who came to save us from our sins Mat 1:21 and whoever believes in Him, which means to be-live Him, comes to repentance of our sins for breaking His law and has a change of direction. We must die of self, surrender and trust Christ for everything we too can have eternal life. He is at the door, we need to open it and trust what He asks is for our own good.
 

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you forgot LUKE 17:20 for context;

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Jesus being one with GOD said that the kingdom was at hand rightfully so because he was with them then, with them.

look to revelations for the eternal kingdgom what GOD says;
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

the kingdom is like a mustard seed and is growing but is not yet to be found but only in those who belong to Christ, the ones that obey his commandments and love Him and follow is voice.

You once mentioned that you followed the 10 commandments is it still the case Cameron?
 

vassal

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The gospel is definitely not "repent FROM SIN".

Where did you get that idea from?


The gospel is stated by Paul in 1 Corinthians 1:15

Now I make known to you, brothers and sisters, the gospel which I preached to you,
which you also received, in which you also stand, by which you also are saved, if you
hold firmly to the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
For I handed down to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died
for our sins
according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He was raised
on the third day according to the Scriptures
.

The gospel as written above by Paul is the primary doctrine of Christianity.

You cannot be saved unless you truly believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
That is ground zero in Christianity. The gospel stands by itself above and beyond human
comprehension.

Your holiness, your love, your Christian life, are all in a distant secondary place to the gospel.

A person can be saved by hearing the gospel without ever having a bible or even reading
a bible.

A person can be saved without ever visiting a church or any church for that matter.

A person can be saved without a shred of theology, or any interpretation.

God has removed all possible human interaction with the gospel, it cannot be
altered. The gospel itself, a simple gospel, of Christ's sacrifice to atone for our sin
forever!

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God.

We do not contribute to our salvation by any obedience, we have no input.
The phrase "repent" is a central part of Jesus' message in the Gospels, and He uses it multiple times to call people to turn from sin and return to God. Below are the key instances where Jesus Himself uses the word "repent" in the King James Version of the Bible.

Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew 11:20
Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:

Matthew 12:41
The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Matthew 18:3
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."**
(This verse includes a concept closely tied to repentance — a complete turning and transformation.)

Mark 1:15
And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Mark 6:12
And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

Luke 5:32
I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Luke 10:13
Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works had been done in Tyre and Sidon, which have been done in you, they had a great while ago repented, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.

Luke 11:32
The men of Nineveh shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Luke 13:3
I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Luke 13:5
tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

Luke 15:7
say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

Luke 15:10
Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

Luke 17:3-4
Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Luke 24:47
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Acts 3:19 (Though spoken by Peter, Jesus' message of repentance is carried on through His disciples)
repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

Unfortunately as I feared, you have forgotten the words of Christ and follow someone else, you refuse the words of Jesus the son of God about repentance, one of the main themes in the Gospel of Jesus that you have truly forgotten!
 

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Don't twist my words. It is the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus.

You are the one displaying your ignorance of the old and new covenants. The law came through Moses, grace and truth through Lord Jesus.

Answering your question fully would take me more time than I have right now. However, a Jewish believer, Professor James Tour, wrote this some years ago. It covers most of what I would say to you if I had time.

https://www.jmtour.com/personal-topics/letter-to-michael/

Also read Acts 15.
yeah right too long of a reply you say?, you do not have a reply. It is OK to disagree, good luck to you.
 

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you forgot LUKE 17:20 for context;

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Jesus being one with GOD said that the kingdom was at hand rightfully so because he was with them then, with them.

look to revelations for the eternal kingdgom what GOD says;
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

the kingdom is like a mustard seed and is growing but is not yet to be found but only in those who belong to Christ, the ones that obey his commandments and love Him and follow is voice.

You once mentioned that you followed the 10 commandments is it still the case Cameron?
Two things:
1. The kingdom of God exists anywhere that people obey God.
2. He was there both correcting the Jewish understanding of the kingdom...that it is spiritual, and speaking of the church which began small but has been grown greatly since Pentecost, and will continue to until it fills the earth with the knowledge of the glory of God.

As far as keeping the commandments, I do keep them, but not as you suppose. I don't get up each day with the intention to keep the law. I get up each day and seek after His kingdom and His righteousness. As I walk in the Spirit, I do not sin because the Spirit cannot lead me into sin. And as I live in His presence, I am changing from glory to glory. Would that I could tell you this communion was constant, but not likely until eternity.
 

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So not taking a days rest a Sabbath is sin?. Why I ask, in the first post you quoted me, I was referring to a poster who used a verse about lawlessness carnal minded towards another about not obeying the Sabbath. Is that how you feel also?
God asks you do to a simple thing to honour him on the sabbath, is this too hard to do, really? I do not know what carnal minded has to do with the sabbath however.

Remember that GOD made us in his image, that we are his children, that God wants us to be Holy as he is HOLY

Exodus 31:12-13 (NKJV):
"And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying: 'Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: "Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.

The Sabbath is a visible sign of God's sanctifying work in the lives of His people. It is not just a day of physical rest but also a day set apart for spiritual renewal and connection with God.
 

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God asks you do to a simple thing to honour him on the sabbath, is this too hard to do, really? I do not know what carnal minded has to do with the sabbath however.

Remember that GOD made us in his image, that we are his children, that God wants us to be Holy as he is HOLY

Exodus 31:12-13 (NKJV):
"And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying: 'Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: "Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.

The Sabbath is a visible sign of God's sanctifying work in the lives of His people. It is not just a day of physical rest but also a day set apart for spiritual renewal and connection with God.
Post all of commandment don't cut it in half.

Exodus 31:14
Keep the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Anyone who profanes it must surely be put to death. Whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from among his people.


God ask for those who cursed their parents to be killed. Just like the verses below about cursing your parents. Jesus called the Pharisees hypocrites because you can't cut the commandment in half. It's either all or nothing. If someone doesn’t honor the Sabbath they are to be killed. Can you kill?

Mat 15
3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?

4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’

5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”

6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition.

7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:
 

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God blesses us when we obey Him and curses us when we don't.

Choose His blessings- Choose life! This still applies today

Deut 30:15 “See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil, 16 in that I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the Lord your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess. 17 But if your heart turns away so that you do not hear, and are drawn away, and worship other gods and serve them, 18 I announce to you today that you shall surely perish; you shall not prolong your days in the land which you cross over the Jordan to go in and possess. 19 I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live; 20 that you may love the Lord your God, that you may obey His voice, and that you may cling to Him, for He is your life and the length of your days; and that you may dwell in the land which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them.”


Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,

Judgement

Those blessed

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

Those who are not- the commandment breakers

15: But outside are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16) which is any of the commandments 1 John 2:4

If we have faith in Jesus we would follow His teachings and do them. James 1:22
 
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God blesses us when we obey Him and curses us when we don't.
Whoever believes on Christ will not be put to shame. Whoever follows the law is cursed. Sabbatarians stumble over the 4th commandment

As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Romans 9:33
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. Galatians 3:10-11
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Romans 9:30-33

Who said those who don't follow the law are cursed?

Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed on him? But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed. John 7:48-49
 

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Whoever believes on Christ will not be put to shame. Whoever follows the law is cursed. Sabbatarians stumble over the 4th commandment

As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Romans 9:33
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. Galatians 3:10-11
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Romans 9:30-33

Who said those who don't follow the law are cursed?

Have any of the rulers or of the Pharisees believed on him? But this people who knoweth not the law are cursed. John 7:48-49
Friend the curses are still there as shown. We can choose blessings instead by be-living (Believing) in Christ. People have made belief into a small word when its not. Belief and disobedience are used interchangeable as seen in Hebrews 4 and John 3 and many other places

You are also taking Paul's writing out of context, the works of the law Paul is referring to is circumcision to be saved, hence why he mentioned the book of the law Deut 31:24-26, which means one could save themselves. He talked about this often all throughout Galatians, in Acts 15:1 and compared circumcision to keeping the commandments of God and came to this conclusion. The Ten Commandments was written on stone by the finger of God and God called them "My commandments" i.e. the commandments of God just as Jesus did Mat 15:3-14'

Paul contrasted these laws and came to this conclusion

1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Paul said the commandments are holy and good Rom 7:12 and is not teaching to dishonor God Romans 2:22-23 and sin Romans 7:7

Paul's writing came with a huge warning 2 Peter 3:16, his writings are often twisted against the scriptures and what Jesus taught and I would consider it more carefully before using it as a case to be lawless, which is not what Paul taught ever.
 

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Friend the curses are still there as shown. We can choose blessings instead by be-living (Believing) in Christ. People have made belief into a small word when its not. Belief and disobedience are used interchangeable as seen in Hebrews 4 and John 3 and many other places

You are also taking Paul's writing out of context, the works of the law Paul is referring to is circumcision to be saved, hence why he mentioned the book of the law Deut 31:24-26, which means one could save themselves. He talked about this often all throughout Galatians, in Acts 15:1 and compared circumcision to keeping the commandments of God and came to this conclusion. The Ten Commandments was written on stone by the finger of God and God called them "My commandments" i.e. the commandments of God just as Jesus did Mat 15:3-14'

Paul contrasted these laws and came to this conclusion

1 Cor 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Paul said the commandments are holy and good Rom 7:12 and is not teaching to dishonor God Romans 2:22-23 and sin Romans 7:7

Paul's writing came with a huge warning 2 Peter 3:16, his writings are often twisted against the scriptures and what Jesus taught and I would consider it more carefully before using it as a case to be lawless, which is not what Paul taught ever.
Must you make up your own definitions for words? And really no one is teaching anyone to be lawless... why do you keep inserting that into your responses? It is a dishonest tactic. How many times have you been told how the law is summarized???
 

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Must you make up your own definitions for words? And really no one is teaching anyone to be lawless... why do you keep inserting that into your responses? It is a dishonest tactic. How many times have you been told how the law is summarized???

Do you not believe that God blessed those who obey and those who don't end up cursed? God cannot lie, which is why we see what He promises at the end of time Rev 22:14-15


For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. Galatians 3:10-11

So how in your own words what is Paul saying in this verse any different than what was stated in my post. It actually proves my point.

What laws are written in the "book of the law" that Paul is saying we are not justified by. How does someone who lives by faith live- by being obedient to what God says or disobedient?

What is the definition of love to God and what commandments summarize love to our neighbor? Or do you feel thats up to each individual, we can choose our own definition.

Please use scripture to prove your answers, Disagreeing with someone because you do not like what the verses say is not a good argument.