The scriptures 2009

Stunnedbygrace · Nov 21, 2017

Yes, you are correct, I never read your long posts because they confuse me as to what you are trying to say. I have enjoyed many of you shorter posts though.

Let's try doing this without a long wall of text.
The translation you read and like is The Scriptures, 2009.
This translation renders God as Elohim. And you like to call Jesus Yeshua, is that correct?

So then, is Yeshua Elohim?

Bladerunner · Nov 21, 2017

Stunnedbygrace said:

Stunnedbygrace, I think the poster just added to your post appropriately.

Stunnedbygrace · Nov 21, 2017

And hiz, what you are seeing as inquisition is an old lady alarmed and scared for you. You won't answer my question or even succinctly state why you feel you must refuse answering it.

This is why I asked: by whatever name you feel the name God should be rendered and by whatever name you feel the name Jesus should be rendered, are they both in fact God?

Bladerunner · Nov 21, 2017

Hizikyah said:

I call Him by His name, I see no problem with that, and no reason for someone to accuse, the pharisees fobode speaking His name, I don't follow them or their practices I follow YHWH.

International Standard Bible Encyclopedia - ADONAI
a-do'-ni, ad-o-na'-i ('adhonay): A Divine name, translated "Lord," and signifying, from its derivation, "sovereignty." Its vowels are found in the Massoretic Text with the unpronounceable tetragrammaton YHWH; and when the Hebrew reader came to these letters, he always substituted in pronunciation the word " 'adhonay," (Lord). Its vowels combined with the tetragrammaton form the word "YHWH (YHWH)."

The Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Kiddushin, page 71a
...R. Abina opposed [two verses]: It is written, 'this is my name'; but it is also written, 'and this is my memorial'?__The Holy One, blessed be He, said: I am not called as I am written: I am written with yod he, but I am read, alef daleth.7. The Tetragrammaton is yod he waw he (YHWH); but it is read adonai= alef daleth nun yod (ADNY)...

The Name YHWH was removed at least 6,823 times and replaced with LORD or GOD. You can tell where it was because ALL the letters are capital where YHWH was. The Masorites added vowel points to the Hebrew manuscripts (not in the "J" writings," (Called J (Y) for it's use of YHWH), but in the next oldest, the "E" writings (for it's use of Elohim). The vowel points replaced YHWH's Name with Adonai = Lord and Elohim = God(s).It is forbidden by YHWH to hide His Name by the way. However as we seen in the Talmud, to the Rabbis this is of no effect: "we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice." Then we come to modern times when this false practice is still used, many Bible prefaces literally say, "this tradition is still used".

Mattithyah 15:2-3, "Why do Your disciples transgress the traditions of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat. But He answered, and said to them: And why do you transgress the Laws of YHWH by your traditions?"

Talmud - Mas. Yoma 39b
His brethren [that year] the priests forbore to mention the Ineffable Name (YHWH) in pronouncing the [priestly] blessing.4 Our Rabbis taught: During the last forty years before the destruction of the Temple the lot [‘For the Lord’] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white/"

Numbers 6:23-27, "Speak to Aaron and his sons, saying; This is how you are to bless the children of Israyl. Say to them; YHWH BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU. YHWH MAKE HIS FACE SHINE UPON YOU AND BE MERCIFUL TO YOU. YHWH LIFT UP HIS COUNTENANCE UPON YOU, AND GIVE YOU PEACE. So they will put MY NAME on the children of Israyl, and I will bless them."

Yeremyah 2:8, "The priests did not ask; Where is YHWH? Those who deal with the Law did not know Me! The pastors also transgressed against Me, and the prophets prophesied in the name of Baal, and walked after things of worthlessness"

Psalm 103:1, "Bless You YHWH, O our souls! And all that is within us bless Your holy Name!"

Psalm 105:1, "Give thanks to YHWH! Call upon His Name! Make known what He has done among the nations!"

Zephanyah 3:9, "Yes, at that time I will return to the peoples a pure language, so that all of them may call on the Name of YHWH, and serve Him with one accord."

and no im not better than anyone, that nonsense comes from people who want to accuse those who use His name What does this have to do at all with the topic? Is it a salvational issue? IAm I not a part or the curch if I beleive either way? So in truth I can not say for sure, as there are veses that seem tobe for either understanding. Honestly to me this seems like a attempt to find reason to thorw stones.

Psalm 110:1, "יהוה said to my Master, “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”"2, "יהוה sends Your mighty sceptre out of Tsiyon. Rule in the midst of Your enemies!"3, "Your people volunteer in the day of Your might, In the splendours of set-apartness! From the womb, from the morning, You have the dew of Your youth!"4, "יהוה has sworn and does not relent, “You are a priest forever According to the order of Malkitseḏeq.”"5, "יהוה at Your right hand Shall smite sovereigns in the day of His wrath."6, "He judges among the nations, He shall fill the nations with dead bodies, He shall crush the Head over the mighty earth!"7, "He drinks of the stream by the wayside, Therefore He does lift up the head!"

Revelation 21:23
New International Version
The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.

New Living Translation
And the city has no need of sun or moon, for the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its light.

English Standard Version
And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb.

Berean Study Bible
And the city has no need for sun or moon to shine on it, because the glory of God illuminates the city, and the Lamb is its lamp.

Berean Literal Bible
And the city has no need of the sun, nor of the moon, that they should shine in it; for the glory of God enlightened it, and its lamp is the Lamb.

New American Standard Bible
And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.

King James Bible
And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Revelation 21:23, “And the city had no need of the sun, nor of the moon, to shine in it, for the esteem of Yah lightened it, and the Lamb is its lamp.”

The trinity verse weas added years after and is a forgery: Proper and original text from the 1[SUP]st [/SUP]century:

1 John/Yahanan 5:7-8, "For there are three which testify: The Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three are of one accord."

Altered text from the 4[SUP]th[/SUP] century: 1 John/Yahanan 5:7-8, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

1 John 5:7-8, “Because there are three who bear witness: the Spirit, and the water, and the blood. And the three are in agreement."

Comma Johanneum refers to a short clause in John 5:7-8 in the Latin Vulgate text which was transmitted since the Early Middle Ages. It was later included in the Textus Receptus Greek in support of trinity doctrine. The comma does not appear in the older Greek text. The ‘comma’ is displayed below in italics.

v.7 Because there are three who bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.

v.8 And there are three that bear witness in earth the Spirit, and the water, and the blood. And the three are in agreement.

1 John 5:7 Parallel Verses

New International Version
For there are three that testify:

New Living Translation
So we have these three witnesses

English Standard Version
For there are three that testify:

New American Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

King James Bible
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
For there are three that testify:

International Standard Version
For there are three witnesses —

NET Bible
For there are three that testify,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And The Spirit testifies because The Spirit is the truth.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
There are three witnesses:

Jubilee Bible 2000
For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

King James 2000 Bible
For there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one.

American King James Version
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

American Standard Version
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one.

Darby Bible Translation
For they that bear witness are three:

English Revised Version
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth.

Webster's Bible Translation
For there are three that bear testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one.

Weymouth New Testament
For there are three that give testimony, the Spirit, the water, and the blood;

World English Bible
For there are three who testify:

Young's Literal Translation
because three are who are testifying in the heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these, the three, are one;

Verses 5:7-8 -- In the King James Version and later renditions of the Latin Vulgate, the received Greek and Latin texts include the words: “ ...In heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth... ”. This text concerning the heavenly witness is not contained in any authentic Greek manuscript written earlier than the Fifteenth Century of this current era. It does not appear in any of the oldest Greek manuscripts; neither does it even appear in the earliest Latin translations. This text is not cited by any of the Greek or early Latin writers, even when the subject they wrote of would naturally have led them to appeal to its authority. The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, Page 803, The Jerusalem Bible, New Testament, Page 419. Other scholars and researchers have frankly admitted that these words are a deliberate forgery that was never a part of the original inspired Holy Scriptures.

Yet there are valid and true (not forged) verses that they seem to be the same) To fully quantify YHWH is impossible, if we look at Yahshua's name we see He is YWHH's Salvation or YHWH has saved:

“Jesus” is word #G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous (yee-sous') n/p., 1. (meaning) He is Salvation, Yahweh saves (i.e. the Savior)., 2. (person) Jesus (i.e. Yeshua, Yehoshua), the name of our Lord, also called the Last Adam., 3. (person) Joshua (i.e. Yehoshua) an Israelite, the servant and successor of Moses., 4. (person) Jeshua, also called Justus, an Israelite, a coworker with Paul., 5. (NOTE) (“Jesus” is a valid English transliteration, coming from Ancient Hebrew to Koine Greek (via the Septuagint) to Latin to Old English to Modern English. It is completely acceptable to God (Yahweh) for us call upon the Savior's name as “Jesus,” or “Iesous,” or “Yeshua,” or even “Yesu” as in Christian Arabic or in the Fijian Islands, et al. God prepared for all nations to be able to trust in the Savior and to call upon his name by preparing a language dialect for international use: the Hebraic-Koine Greek. Thus, technically and formally, the pronunciation “Iesous” was intentionally established by the Savior as the common basis for Jewish and Gentile acknowledgment of his Redemption and Salvation, going forth as needed into every tribe, native tongue, people, and nation. “Yeshua” is of course delightfully acceptable to him, when it is not used as an exclusionary name. Love edifies)., 6. (NOTE) (Revelation 3:12)., [of Hebrew origin (H3442 as the shortened form of H3091)], KJV: Jesus, Root(s): H3442, See also: H3091

Root word of “Jesus” is word #H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah) n/l., 1. he will save., 2. Jeshua, the name of ten Israelites, also of a place in Israel., [for H3091], KJV: Jeshua. , Root(s): H3091

Root word of “Jesus” is word #H3091 יְהוֹשׁוּעַ YhowShuw`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah) n/p., יְהוֹשֻׁעַ YhowShu`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah), 1. Yahweh-saved.2. Jehoshua (i.e. Joshua), the Jewish leader., [from H3068 and H3467], KJV: Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua., Root(s): H3068, H3467, Compare: H1954, H3442

The original name s are beautiful IMO, they are have really awesom meanings not conveyed in the common transliteraltions/versions, some examples:

John /Yowchanan
Yahweh-favored.

Matthew/MattithYah
gift of Yah.

Isaiah/Ysha`Yah
Yah has saved

Jeremiah/YirmYah
Yah will be raised.

Zachariah/ZrachYah
Yah has risen

Hezekiah/ChizqiYah
strengthened of Yah.

Micah/MiykaYah
who (is) like Yah?

Malachi/Mal'akiy
messenger of Yah

Every name has meaning in it original form

Wow, almost but no cigar! You are in contention with another poster who likes to quote Matthew word for word in a post. Right now you are still behind. Care to try again?

Who do you expect to read all of the above....Put it in a BLOG and place a label on it or break it down in smaller pieces please!

Stunnedbygrace · Nov 21, 2017

Bladerunner said:

Yes, I thought so too but was waiting for her to come back.

Stunnedbygrace · Nov 21, 2017

From now on, to make it easier I will refer to your longer posts by number hiz. Its a lot to keep having to scroll down through to glean the conversation for anyone trying to follow it.

Hizikyah · Nov 21, 2017

Stunnedbygrace said:

This is not a simple question, I will not say a small answer because I beleive it will be twisted adn used to make me look bad, I will fuilly explain amyself, for I should be givin the opportunity to state my case, to ask a question and then deny one that is unfair. Now because elohim is not meaning any single being but rather elohim means strength, to be strong, mighty one , etc. one can not say elohim and be 100% talking about Yah, we know God and god/s are used and one can say "god or "God" and not be talking about the Creator, the Might one of Abraham, muslims says "god" and they are not of YHWH or Yahshua.

Im going to show this because I want to stay factual;

In ancient Hebrew there were no written vowels, thus a word can not start with a vowel, a vowel can be used in pronunciation, but an ancient Hebrew word can not start with a letter that is not in the written language.

The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7, page 674
'El. The oldest Semitic term for God is `el (corresponding to Akkadian ilu (m), Canaanite 'el or 'il, and Arabic 'el as an element in personal names). The etymology of the word is obscure. It is commonly thought that the term derived from a root `yl or `wl meaning "to be powerful."

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Hebrew Dictionary

#H410 'el, ale; short. from 352; strength; as adj. mighty; espec. the Almighty (but used also of any deity):—God, (god), x goodly, x great, idol, might (-y one), power, strong. Cop. names in "-el."

#H352 ayil, ah'yil; from the same as 193; prop. strength; hence anything strong; spec. a chief (politically); also a ram (from his strength); a pilaster (as a strong support); an oak or other strong tree:—mighty (man), lintel, oak, post, ram, tree.

#H193 uwl, ool; from an unused root mean. to twist. i.e. (by impl.) be strong; the body (as being rolled together); also powerful:—mighty, strength.

So the question would be is Yahshua YHWH, YHWH is the Creator:

Nehemiah 9:6, “You are יהוה, You alone. You have made the heavens, the heavens of the heavens, with all their host, the earth and all that are on it, the seas and all that are in them, and You give life to them all. And the host of the heavens are bowing themselves to You.”

Genesis 2:4, “These are the births of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that יהוה Elohim made earth and heavens.”

Im not trying to sound cocky when I say this because I do not know all of evey truth of YHWH no man does anyone who claims to is a liar, we were not there when He created nor are we in His trhone room now. With tha said I have studied deeply in many many Scriptual matters, if one does not know where and how YHWH is in the Scriptures, meaning they are not looking at and understanding the oprigianl language it is much much harder to unbderstand who exactly YHWH is. Now people will use commentaries and articles, Im talking about looking into the original language for ones self to really study in spirit to find truth. again no I am not better than anyone nor does this make me morelikely to ebter the kingdom, but it does give me understanding of who YHWH is and His truth. Bottom line there are a number opf Scriptures that seem as if Yahshua is YHWH and there are a number that seem He is not YHWH Himslef. I can not say either way for certian. Again not better than anyone, it silly I even have to say that, but I have done my due diligence, and I get accused and attackedf by people who have not studied the word beyond a surface level, this in iteslef does not make me right or wrong, however to know what Scripture truly says is going to help one in properly dividing the word. I do know 100% without a doubt the "trinity" passage is a forgery and this is well known, yet this does not prove anything. ONly true Scripture can prove things of Yah. Scripture says that one must proclaim Yahshua is the Messiah that has come, I fully beleive his and do proclaim, for it is the testimony. If you wish to use Scripture, and all of it in this matter we may look into it, but I ask that no unfounde accusations be made nor any non-Scriptureal accusaitions concerning this matter.

please do not speak bad of me for giving a full explanation, honestly that would be unfair to ask a qwuestion, especially when people are waiting to accuse and twist and say a 10 word response muct be given. I wanted to be clear, if the uestion matters that much to you, I believe you would take the time to read this post.

Stunnedbygrace · Nov 21, 2017

Its so difficult in fact that I can't find willies post with a link I wanted to go back to. Grrrr...

Willie-T · Nov 21, 2017

Hizikyah said:

Not at all. I usually speak of Germans and Germany in their original language. But, many of my relatives are German, I speak some German, and my wife spent three years over there. Around Americans, I say "Germany". I feel no need to make any point, nor to show off that I know the original language.

Stunnedbygrace · Nov 21, 2017

Hizikyah said:

This is not a simple question, I will not say a small answer because I beleive it will be twisted adn used to make me look bad, I will fuilly explain amyself, for I should be givin the opportunity to state my case, to ask a question and then deny one that is unfair. Now because elohim is not meaning any single being but rather elohim means strength, to be strong, mighty one , etc. one can not say elohim and be 100% talking about Yah, we know God and god/s are used and one can say "god or "God" and not be talking about the Creator, the Might one of Abraham, muslims says "god" and they are not of YHWH or Yahshua.

Im going to show this because I want to stay factual;

In ancient Hebrew there were no written vowels, thus a word can not start with a vowel, a vowel can be used in pronunciation, but an ancient Hebrew word can not start with a letter that is not in the written language.

The Encyclopedia Judaica, Volume 7, page 674
'El. The oldest Semitic term for God is `el (corresponding to Akkadian ilu (m), Canaanite 'el or 'il, and Arabic 'el as an element in personal names). The etymology of the word is obscure. It is commonly thought that the term derived from a root `yl or `wl meaning "to be powerful."

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance Hebrew Dictionary

#H410 'el, ale; short. from 352; strength; as adj. mighty; espec. the Almighty (but used also of any deity):—God, (god), x goodly, x great, idol, might (-y one), power, strong. Cop. names in "-el."

#H352 ayil, ah'yil; from the same as 193; prop. strength; hence anything strong; spec. a chief (politically); also a ram (from his strength); a pilaster (as a strong support); an oak or other strong tree:—mighty (man), lintel, oak, post, ram, tree.

#H193 uwl, ool; from an unused root mean. to twist. i.e. (by impl.) be strong; the body (as being rolled together); also powerful:—mighty, strength.

So the question would be is Yahshua YHWH, YHWH is the Creator:

Nehemiah 9:6, “You are יהוה, You alone. You have made the heavens, the heavens of the heavens, with all their host, the earth and all that are on it, the seas and all that are in them, and You give life to them all. And the host of the heavens are bowing themselves to You.”

Genesis 2:4, “These are the births of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that יהוה Elohim made earth and heavens.”

Im not trying to sound cocky when I say this because I do not know all of evey truth of YHWH no man does anyone who claims to is a liar, we were not there when He created nor are we in His trhone room now. With tha said I have studied deeply in many many Scriptual matters, if one does not know where and how YHWH is in the Scriptures, meaning they are not looking at and understanding the oprigianl language it is much much harder to unbderstand who exactly YHWH is. Now people will use commentaries and articles, Im talking about looking into the original language for ones self to really study in spirit to find truth. again no I am not better than anyone nor does this make me morelikely to ebter the kingdom, but it does give me understanding of who YHWH is and His truth. Bottom line there are a number opf Scriptures that seem as if Yahshua is YHWH and there are a number that seem He is not YHWH Himslef. I can not say either way for certian. Again not better than anyone, it silly I even have to say that, but I have done my due diligence, and I get accused and attackedf by people who have not studied the word beyond a surface level, this in iteslef does not make me right or wrong, however to know what Scripture truly says is going to help one in properly dividing the word. I do know 100% without a doubt the "trinity" passage is a forgery and this is well known, yet this does not prove anything. ONly true Scripture can prove things of Yah. Scripture says that one must proclaim Yahshua is the Messiah that has come, I fully beleive his and do proclaim, for it is the testimony. If you wish to use Scripture, and all of it in this matter we may look into it, but I ask that no unfounde accusations be made nor any non-Scriptureal accusaitions concerning this matter.

please do not speak bad of me for giving a full explanation, honestly that would be unfair to ask a qwuestion, especially when people are waiting to accuse and twist and say a 10 word response muct be given. I wanted to be clear, if the uestion matters that much to you, I believe you would take the time to read this post.

Why would you think I would speak badly of you for saying you are not certain that Jesus is God? If you are not certain, then you aren't. That's just being honest.

I can imagine the confusion you have sometimes trying to understand why Jesus is worshiped in Revelation if there is only One who should ever be worshiped.

Thank you for honestly answering my question hiz.

Hizikyah · Nov 21, 2017

Bladerunner said:

If I post just a verse or two I am told it's "out of context" when I post a complete thought its "too much"

cant ever do right without someone finding fault it seems....

Hizikyah · Nov 21, 2017

Stunnedbygrace said:

I have answered 3 times now. and becuse I am singled out continually for using His name it is like Im disliked because I do.

trofimus · Nov 21, 2017

Hizikyah said:

How is it an attackable offence to use HIs name?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 116:13, "We will take the cup of salvation, and we will call upon Your Name, O YHWH."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Yeremyah 16:19-21, "O YHWH, my strength and my fortress, my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles will come to You from the ends of the earth, and will say: Surely our fathers have inherited nothing but lies and vanity of no use at all! Do men make gods for themselves? Yes, but they are powerless! Therefore behold, I will make them to know--this time I will teach them My power and might; and they will know that My Name is YHWH!"[/FONT]

Can you post at least one example of YHWH use in the New Testament?

Hizikyah · Nov 21, 2017

Willie-T said:

each person ahs their won view, but how is it "showing off" to use original language. am I considered to be "showing off"?

alos IMO

this is hebrew: [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT]

this is english:
YHWH/Yahweh

Stunnedbygrace · Nov 21, 2017

Hizikyah said:

I don't dislike you. But even if someone else does, all you can do is just be honest. You have been honest and shared your uncertainty that Jesus is God. I didn't know your resistance to plainly answering me was fear that you would be disliked. Sorry for pushing you, but I like to know what everyone thinks!

Hizikyah · Nov 21, 2017

trofimus said:

There are a number of direct OT quotes that quote verses use YHWH.

In 1st or 2nd Corinthians in one of the oldest manuscripts YHWH is used a single time.

In the oldest Septuagint (Greek OT) mauscripts YHWH is used, in the later ones Theos and Kyrios are used.

and...

here are the 2 coolest ones IMO:

New International Version
Mat 23:39, "Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.”

In the original Hebrew version He says:
Mat 23:39And as they were going to report to His taught ones, see, יהושע met them saying, “יהוה has saved you!” And they came and held Him by the feet and did bow to Him."

New International Version
Mat 23:39, "For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.”

In the original Hebrew version He says:
Mat 23:39, "For I say to you: From this moment you will not see Me, until you say: Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of YHWH!" (a quote/prophecy of Psalm 118:26)

Psalm 118:26, "Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of יהוה! We shall bless you from the House of יהוה."

The Ebionites were a Christian sect that claimed to preserve the original autograph of apostle Matthew in Hebrew. It is quoted often by Epiphanius in the 300s. He said its official title was “The Gospel according to Matthew.” (Epiphanius, Panarion 30, 13, 2-3.)

Apostle John told Papias around 90 A.D. about this book of Matthew: “Matthew put together the oracles [of the Lord] in the Hebrew language, and each one interpreted them as best he could.” (Eusebius, Hist. Eccl. iii. 39, quoting Exposition of the Oracles of the Lord)

Irenaeus likewise says: “Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect.” (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book III, Chapter I, quoted in Eusebius,
Ecclesiastical History, Book V, Chapter VIII.)

Jerome around 404 A.D. wrote of this too: “The Hebrew [Matthew] itself has been preserved until the present day in the library at Caesarea which Pamphilus so diligently gathered.” (Jerome, Lives of Illustrious Men, Chapter III.)

“Matthew collected the oracles (ta logia) in the Hebrew language, and each interpreted them as best he could.” – Papias (Eusebius, H.E. 3.39.16)

trofimus · Nov 21, 2017

Hizikyah said:

There are a number of direct OT quotes that quote verses use YHWH.

In 1st or 2nd Corinthians in one of the oldest manuscripts YHWH is used a single time.

In the oldest Septuagint (Greek OT) mauscripts YHWH is used, in the later ones Theos and Kyrios are used.

and...

here are the 2 coolest ones IMO:

New International Version
Mat 23:39, "Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.”

In the original Hebrew version He says:
Mat 23:39And as they were going to report to His taught ones, see, יהושע met them saying, “יהוה has saved you!” And they came and held Him by the feet and did bow to Him."

New International Version
Mat 23:39, "For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.”

In the original Hebrew version He says:
Mat 23:39, "For I say to you: From this moment you will not see Me, until you say: Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of YHWH!" (a quote/prophecy of Psalm 118:26)

Psalm 118:26, "Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of יהוה! We shall bless you from the House of יהוה."

The Ebionites were a Christian sect that claimed to preserve the original autograph of apostle Matthew in Hebrew. It is quoted often by Epiphanius in the 300s. He said its official title was “The Gospel according to Matthew.” (Epiphanius, Panarion 30, 13, 2-3.)

Apostle John told Papias around 90 A.D. about this book of Matthew: “Matthew put together the oracles [of the Lord] in the Hebrew language, and each one interpreted them as best he could.” (Eusebius, Hist. Eccl. iii. 39, quoting Exposition of the Oracles of the Lord)

Irenaeus likewise says: “Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect.” (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book III, Chapter I, quoted in Eusebius,
Ecclesiastical History, Book V, Chapter VIII.)

Jerome around 404 A.D. wrote of this too: “The Hebrew [Matthew] itself has been preserved until the present day in the library at Caesarea which Pamphilus so diligently gathered.” (Jerome, Lives of Illustrious Men, Chapter III.)

“Matthew collected the oracles (ta logia) in the Hebrew language, and each interpreted them as best he could.” – Papias (Eusebius, H.E. 3.39.16)

You probably did not understand my question.

I asked if you can post at least one verse from the New Testament that uses YHWH in the text.

The case that you take some verse and put YHWH there, even though it is not so in the original, does not count.

Stunnedbygrace · Nov 21, 2017

And it isn't any certain word any man prefers to convey something that has convinced me Jesus is God. What convinced me of it was broader than any certain word. Rather than a word here or there, it was disparate verses when considered together. For instance, the 24 elders and the beings around the throne in Revelation saying all honor and glory and worship belong to the Lamb. And Jesus saying that if you have seen Him, you HAVE seen the Father. And many more verses that fit together to convince me.

Hizikyah · Nov 21, 2017

Stunnedbygrace said:

Good to know, I have enjoyed your posts a number of time and thought you were pretty awesom to be hoinest. Its not fear of being disliked, it is not wantiong me to be falsely, wrongfully or improperly accused. I do feel Im disliked by some because I use His name, I have not got that vibe from you, but I have been told im disrespectful and even gotten private messages that had lots of !!!!!!!s and literally saying DO NOT!~ use! really crazy IMO, but I must obey YHWH not man. I do what I feel is right, I don't ever beleive anything or follow anything until I have fully 100% proven it with the word only, just because something is readily accepted as main stream or most people believe does not matter to me, I need to use the word to prove my beliefs to myslf or to even find what I beleive rather then just choose what I feel is ok. At times it has been hard, because I grew up in a common christian mindset, law done away, "the Lord" not YHWH, but through study I have use the word as my basis to found my belief. You should see when I meet people and use YHWH and Yahshua, some are ok weith it, some are joyed by it, some have literally asked me to leave or not say it. Lots of different views on the matter.

Hizikyah · Nov 21, 2017

trofimus said:

these are NT and undebatable IMo, unless one believes Mat was not originally written in Hebrew, but all the historical evidence shows it was

New International Version
Mat 23:39, "Suddenly Jesus met them. "Greetings," he said. They came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him.”

In the original Hebrew version He says:
Mat 23:39And as they were going to report to His taught ones, see, יהושע met them saying, “יהוה has saved you!” And they came and held Him by the feet and did bow to Him."

New International Version
Mat 23:39, "For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.”

In the original Hebrew version He says:
Mat 23:39, "For I say to you: From this moment you will not see Me, until you say: Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of YHWH!" (a quote/prophecy of Psalm 118:26)

Psalm 118:26, "Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of יהוה! We shall bless you from the House of יהוה."

The Ebionites were a Christian sect that claimed to preserve the original autograph of apostle Matthew in Hebrew. It is quoted often by Epiphanius in the 300s. He said its official title was “The Gospel according to Matthew.” (Epiphanius, Panarion 30, 13, 2-3.)

Apostle John told Papias around 90 A.D. about this book of Matthew: “Matthew put together the oracles [of the Lord] in the Hebrew language, and each one interpreted them as best he could.” (Eusebius, Hist. Eccl. iii. 39, quoting Exposition of the Oracles of the Lord)

Irenaeus likewise says: “Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect.” (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book III, Chapter I, quoted in Eusebius,
Ecclesiastical History, Book V, Chapter VIII.)

Jerome around 404 A.D. wrote of this too: “The Hebrew [Matthew] itself has been preserved until the present day in the library at Caesarea which Pamphilus so diligently gathered.” (Jerome, Lives of Illustrious Men, Chapter III.)

“Matthew collected the oracles (ta logia) in the Hebrew language, and each interpreted them as best he could.” – Papias (Eusebius, H.E. 3.39.16)

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