The Serpent and Satan

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Now the serpent was more subtle than any other wild creature that the LORD God had made. Gen 3:1a RSV
Several questions: Is the serpent Satan? If so, did the Lord create Satan? If so, why?

I would say that the serpent is Satan, so the Lord did create Satan. I would say the reason is that we must all be tested. If we aren’t tested, we will enter heaven totally undisciplined and cause all kinds of trouble for the people there.
 
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Several questions: Is the serpent Satan? If so, did the Lord create Satan? If so, why?

I would say that the serpent is Satan, so the Lord did create Satan. I would say the reason is that we must all be tested. If we aren’t tested, we will enter heaven totally undisciplined and cause all kinds of trouble for the people there.
One doesn't know good without a look at evil no matter what that evil is.
 
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I believe the serpent is satan. I believe God created satan but I don't believe he created him evil....he became that way.
 

loveme1

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Isaiah 14

12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

16They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
Ezekiel 28

13Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
 
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And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the devil, and satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth.
Revelation 12:9
 
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And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the devil, and satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth.
Revelation 12:9
Seems to me the ver. answer the question doesn't it?
 

loveme1

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We know that the serpent was in the garden of Eden when he beguiled Eve who lead Adam away from Yahvah God's Commandment not to "eat" from the "tree"..... (or if it be symbols) then what ever took place....

I believe we are given small parts of information that give a much deeper story of a rebellion against Yahvah God before Adam came to be....

Our Yahvah God is Almighty and is always ahead of any evil that rebels.

Problem is the evil rebellion are full of ego and will not accept he is ALMIGHTY AND POWERFUL and we should obey and admire is GREATNESS for eternity.....


Glory to Yahvah God and Yahshua the Messiah always and forever, so let it be.
 

starfield

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God created Satan along with the other angels and Satan came in form of a serpent to tempt Eve.

Why would God created Satan when He knew that Satan will fall and become an enemy of His creation? Only God knows.:)
 
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And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the devil, and satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth.
Revelation 12:9
That answers the one of the questions. Thanks.
 

damombomb

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Several questions: Is the serpent Satan? If so, did the Lord create Satan? If so, why?

I would say that the serpent is Satan, so the Lord did create Satan. I would say the reason is that we must all be tested. If we aren’t tested, we will enter heaven totally undisciplined and cause all kinds of trouble for the people there.
Lucifer was created perfect in all his ways, but iniquity was found in him. It was not put there by God. Lucifer created it. In the beginning he was an anointed Cherub, now he is satan, the devil, the serpent of old
( this is found in Ezekiel 28:15 )
 
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Lucifer was created perfect in all his ways, but iniquity was found in him. It was not put there by God. Lucifer created it. In the beginning he was an anointed Cherub, now he is satan, the devil, the serpent of old
( this is found in Ezekiel 28:15 )
Wasn’t the Lord speaking of the king of Tyre?

[11] Moreover the word of the LORD came to me:
[12] "Son of man, raise a lamentation over the king of Tyre, and say to him, Thus says the Lord GOD: "You were the signet of perfection,
full of wisdom
and perfect in beauty.
[13] You were in Eden, the garden of God;
every precious stone was your covering,
carnelian, topaz, and jasper,
chrysolite, beryl, and onyx,
sapphire, carbuncle, and emerald;
and wrought in gold were your settings
and your engravings.
On the day that you were created
they were prepared.
[14] With an anointed guardian cherub I placed you;
you were on the holy mountain of God;
in the midst of the stones of fire you walked.
[15] You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created,
till iniquity was found in you. Ezekiel 28:11-15 RSV
 

Blu_Bug

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Several questions: Is the serpent Satan? If so, did the Lord create Satan? If so, why?

I would say that the serpent is Satan, so the Lord did create Satan. I would say the reason is that we must all be tested. If we aren’t tested, we will enter heaven totally undisciplined and cause all kinds of trouble for the people there.

YES is your first answer, He is the snake. God created all things, even satan, but all things God created were perfect. Why? Satan like many people CHOSE to DISOBEY GOD, a gift God allows everyone, a free choice. Good thinking.
 

damombomb

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Wasn’t the Lord speaking of the king of Tyre?

[11] Moreover the word of the LORD came to me:
[12] "Son of man, raise a lamentation over the king of Tyre, and say to him, Thus says the Lord GOD: "You were the signet of perfection,
full of wisdom
and perfect in beauty.
[13] You were in Eden, the garden of God;
every precious stone was your covering,
carnelian, topaz, and jasper,
chrysolite, beryl, and onyx,
sapphire, carbuncle, and emerald;
and wrought in gold were your settings
and your engravings.
On the day that you were created
they were prepared.
[14] With an anointed guardian cherub I placed you;
you were on the holy mountain of God;
in the midst of the stones of fire you walked.
[15] You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created,
till iniquity was found in you. Ezekiel 28:11-15 RSV
Verse 14 KJV says Thou art the annointed cherub that covereth
 
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In Genesis 1:31, it read that all creation was very good. This is to include God’s spirit sons (angels). The actual real name of the angel who later became to be identified and referred to as Satan (deceiver) and Devil (slander) is not known. Our first parents shared one major characteristic with angles: free will. Like our ancestral parents, this high ranking angel succumbed to its ambitions and desires and sinned.-Job 34:10-12; James 1:13-15.

The snake/serpent was literally a reptile. However, Satan the Devil used this reptile as a mouthpiece. Compare with Numbers 22:28-30. This is understood by scriptural references of Satan as “the original serpent.” (Revelations 12:9; 20:2) And, because of his deception, he literally became a “manslayer” and “the father of the lie.” (John 8:44) Also, as a progenitor, in a spiritual sense, his seed is considered as “serpents, offspring of vipers.”-Matthew 23:33.
 
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This dose not cover everything , but it should address some questions .

God is Christ. He helps us through all this. He is our savior. Our way back to our one True Heavenly Father.

God's plan was in the beginning, to have a world society, that loved Him and followed Him and was in total and complete happiness. It did not work that way , because of one individual, and those that added themselves to him , that brought about the first rebellion in the world that was.

The day that , that world age failed , or just premature to it, God created or altered His plan, to bring salvation , to those individuals , 1/3rd of His children, call them angels, call them whatever you like, they are the souls God created, even the same souls that are in flesh bodies today ; they
worshiped Satan, Revelation 12 is your documentation. A third of the stars where dragged down by the tail of that old Dragon, one of the names of anti-christ, one of the names of Satan; in that world that was.


Our Heavenly Father had a choice, He could kill Satan, which He passed sentence upon him, but he still lives today, for that sentence has not been carried out for a very special reason.

Many might say : well why didn't he do away with him ? Because, He would had to in fairness, destroyed also 1/3rd of His children; that means, not kill their bodies, but kill their eternal souls.

So therefore, rather then destroy His own children He chose to destroy that world age, that cosmos . That is why that, in Jeremiah chapter 4, we read, of that destruction of the world that was that there was not one man left, not one city, that it was a devastation , upon the entire earth system. It is because of that destruction, that you can go into Alaska, or Russia , and they find those mastodons, with buttercups still in their mouths, meaning there would have had to be an instant freeze when God destroy that earth age.



Now, God destroyed that earth age that was, because Satan had polluted that perfect plan. that is also recorded in your King James Bible, it's recorded in Ezekiel chapter 28 :. Where it addresses Satan, as the king of Tyre, he is a super natural entity, in as much as he was created by God, and he was a Cherubim. Never in God's word will you hear an earth man, addressed as a Cherubim, nor will you hear an angel called a Cherubim.
He was the, as its written in the Hebrew , the protecting Cherub, The Cherub that covers, covers what? The Mercy Seat of Christ.

Now this is where people might disagree with me. Most teachers teach that God can do anything He wants to. If that were true, and God could do anything He wanted to, He would not have put His children through this earth age. Again ; If God was able to do any and everything, He would not have put His children through this earth, flesh, age.

Hear me out, then you can prove me wrong and look how good that will make you feel. so listen, rather then closing your ears.

God cannot force, a free will spirit, to love Him, ells it is not true love . That is charity that God wants, and expects , from His children.. If you force love, then it is no longer love, you cannot buy love, and you cannot order it; It's fake. God dose not want fake love.
It was for this reason that God said " I do not want your burnt sacrifices , I want your love".

God loves His children very much.

Had God been able to restore that order, and have children that had free will , to do and think as they wished , and to have loved Him, He would have done it; but then it would have been fake; so therefore rather then destroy His children, He destroyed the earth age that was. He created as its recorded in Genesis chapter 1, this new earth age. He cause the water to recede , The Holy spirit to move upon it, the same we have with us today.

And He created, a new man, on the 6th day; the various races of this world. He rested the 7th.
and then on the 8th day He created, The Adam, The man, to till the garden . That would bring in a testing age, or stage.
He created that man a help mate, He gave that individual a womb ; even as the earth is a womb.

Whereby those souls that where with Him, would be born of women., could pass through this earth age ; born innocent of women.
What I mean by born innocent, with all recollection of that world that was, or the heavenlies removed from that soul, and given a fresh, clean slate of innocence. To make his or her mind up weather they would love God, or Satan.

God wanted His children to Love Him.
 
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Ibe

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This dose not cover everything , but it should address some questions .

God is Christ. He helps us through all this. He is our savior. Our way back to our one True Heavenly Father.

God's plan was in the beginning, to have a world society, that loved Him and followed Him and was in total and complete happiness. It did not work that way , because of one individual, and those that added themselves to him , that brought about the first rebellion in the world that was.

The day that , that world age failed , or just premature to it, God created or altered His plan, to bring salvation , to those individuals , 1/3rd of His children, call them angels, call them whatever you like, they are the souls God created, even the same souls that are in flesh bodies today ; they
worshiped Satan, Revelation 12 is your documentation. A third of the stars where dragged down by the tail of that old Dragon, one of the names of anti-christ, one of the names of Satan; in that world that was.


Our Heavenly Father had a choice, He could kill Satan, which He passed sentence upon him, but he still lives today, for that sentence has not been carried out for a very special reason.

Many might say : well why didn't he do away with him ? Because, He would had to in fairness, destroyed also 1/3rd of His children; that means, not kill their bodies, but kill their eternal souls.

So therefore, rather then destroy His own children He chose to destroy that world age, that cosmos . That is why that, in Jeremiah chapter 4, we read, of that destruction of the world that was that there was not one man left, not one city, that it was a devastation , upon the entire earth system. It is because of that destruction, that you can go into Alaska, or Russia , and they find those mastodons, with buttercups still in their mouths, meaning there would have had to be an instant freeze when God destroy that earth age.



Now, God destroyed that earth age that was, because Satan had polluted that perfect plan. that is also recorded in your King James Bible, it's recorded in Ezekiel chapter 28 :. Where it addresses Satan, as the king of Tyre, he is a super natural entity, in as much as he was created by God, and he was a Cherubim. Never in God's word will you hear an earth man, addressed as a Cherubim, nor will you hear an angel called a Cherubim.
He was the, as its written in the Hebrew , the protecting Cherub, The Cherub that covers, covers what? The Mercy Seat of Christ.

Now this is where people might disagree with me. Most teachers teach that God can do anything He wants to. If that were true, and God could do anything He wanted to, He would not have put His children through this earth age. Again ; If God was able to do any and everything, He would not have put His children through this earth, flesh, age.

Hear me out, then you can prove me wrong and look how good that will make you feel. so listen, rather then closing your ears.

God cannot force, a free will spirit, to love Him, ells it is not true love . That is charity that God wants, and expects , from His children.. If you force love, then it is no longer love, you cannot buy love, and you cannot order it; It's fake. God dose not want fake love.
It was for this reason that God said " I do not want your burnt sacrifices , I want your love".

God loves His children very much.

Had God been able to restore that order, and have children that had free will , to do and think as they wished , and to have loved Him, He would have done it; but then it would have been fake; so therefore rather then destroy His children, He destroyed the earth age that was. He created as its recorded in Genesis chapter 1, this new earth age. He cause the water to recede , The Holy spirit to move upon it, the same we have with us today.

And He created, a new man, on the 6th day; the various races of this world. He rested the 7th.
and then on the 8th day He created, The Adam, The man, to till the garden . That would bring in a testing age, or stage.
He created that man a help mate, He gave that individual a womb ; even as the earth is a womb.

Whereby those souls that where with Him, would be born of women., could pass through this earth age ; born innocent of women.
What I mean by born innocent, with all recollection of that world that was, or the heavenlies removed from that soul, and given a fresh, clean slate of innocence. To make his or her mind up weather they would love God, or Satan.

God wanted His children to Love Him.
Well Now,

God Bless you Nathan3. A true Child of God with eye's to see, Nice work, I'm sure our Father is well Pleased, Plow deep my Brother, Keep up the Good fight. Plant them seed's,
Thank You Father for understanding, as the labor pains grow closer..
Come Jesus Come.

But Ya'll dont forget
"defacto" 6 come's befor 7
Satan comes on 666...... 6th trump, 6th seal,6th,6th vial
two in the field one taken one left
Stay and fight
Our Lord Jesus come's on 777

"Ibe"
 
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