The Sign Of Jonah

[BeyondET]

Beta your funny,, rose after sunset on the sabbath that would be Friday evening, for at sundown 6pm starts the sabbath the night part the day part ends on sabbath Saturday at 6pm.. I really can't see why people feel a need to believe in 72 hour cross to resurrection. Why can it be just simply 3 nights and 3 days, why does that have to be exactly 72 hours.. Some say because the bible says how long a day is true, but scripture doesn't say that applies to everything, 1000 years is like a day and day is like a 1000 years according to Jesus, so are you calling this a false statement Beta??

 

[beta]

Beta your funny,, rose after sunset on the sabbath that would be Friday evening, for at sundown 6pm starts the sabbath the night part the day part ends on sabbath Saturday at 6pm.. I really can't see why people feel a need to believe in 72 hour cross to resurrection. Why can it be just simply 3 nights and 3 days, why does that have to be exactly 72 hours.. Some say because the bible says how long a day is true, but scripture doesn't say that applies to everything, 1000 years is like a day and day is like a 1000 years according to Jesus, so are you calling this a false statement Beta??

Not funny at all. Everybody keeps saying Jesus rose on sunday...that would be after sabbath sunset.
Just because something does not apply to something else is no reason to believe Jesus told a lie or was casual in His prediction. People are being led astray ! Jesus Himself warned of false christs !
You can believe whoever you like - I believe Jesus, the one who died and is the same today and forever !

 

[BeyondET]

Not funny at all. Everybody keeps saying Jesus rose on sunday...that would be after sabbath sunset.
Just because something does not apply to something else is no reason to believe Jesus told a lie or was casual in His prediction. People are being led astray ! Jesus Himself warned of false christs !
You can believe whoever you like - I believe Jesus, the one who died and is the same today and forever !

I do too believe, yet no where in scripture says Jesus rose on the 7th day, scripture says the first day of the week.. Not sure how you get the resurrection on the Jewish day of sabbath the 7th day..

 

[BeyondET]

Is it because Jesus is called the sabbath you think the resurrection was on the seventh day.. That is the only reason I think you can come up with such a statement as he rose on the sabbath..

 

[garee]

28 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,Mathew 28

A more adequate translation. Changing the word “Sabbaths” a word that denotes rest into a time sensitive word “week” it loses the era of new Sunday Sabbaths

The word week is not a biblical word it was added. .They used the terms day or days depending on how many. ..

The fast is on the Sabbath.By the time the new testament came . The oral traditions of the father allowed them to eat three times on the Sabbath they also had Sabbath walks limiting the distance.or special hand cleaning ceremony .They sought after them as signs giving them a false confidence they were with God. Trusting in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: the later was justified. Justifying oneself by a work they do is not part of the gospel.

That man in Luke was simply bragging by saying he only fasted twice on the Sabbath,

And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
I fast twice in the week (Sabbath,rest term) I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted Luk 18:9

 

[BeyondET]

28 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,Mathew 28

A more adequate translation. Changing the word “Sabbaths” a word that denotes rest into a time sensitive word “week” it loses the era of new Sunday Sabbaths

The word week is not a biblical word it was added. .They used the terms day or days depending on how many. ..

The fast is on the Sabbath.By the time the new testament came . The oral traditions of the father allowed them to eat three times on the Sabbath they also had Sabbath walks limiting the distance.or special hand cleaning ceremony .They sought after them as signs giving them a false confidence they were with God. Trusting in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: the later was justified. Justifying oneself by a work they do is not part of the gospel.

That man in Luke was simply bragging by saying he only fasted twice on the Sabbath,

And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
I fast twice in the week (Sabbath,rest term) I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted Luk 18:9

Psst, no English word is biblical it's a translation, the word week in Hebrew is called shabua (shaw-boo'-ah) and yea they use a word that represents our use of the English word week..

I like how you find the one bible that fits your agenda, in saying what you said.. huh this makes me wonder about something I'm seeing.. After looking at 40 or so bibles there's only one that says it that way and they are referring to what people consider the sabbath today, not 2000 years ago it was on a Saturday as well as the same as today for Jewish people..

Jubilee bible 2000
Matt 28:1
Now well along on the sabbath, as it began to dawn on the first of the sabbaths, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

 

[BeyondET]

Honestly I see how using a bible like that the jubilee bible can get people minds twisted to what is really being said..

The first of the sabbaths and this sounds like the author of the jubilee is implying many after that first sabbath, today Christians view the first day of the week Sunday as a sabbath a day of rest/honoring what Jesus did for those who believe, well he did become the sabbath and rose on the first day of the week, so from that I can see why today's sunday is a holy day because it's honoring, giving thank you to Jesus, and praying upon such things..

 

[dcontroversal]

If Jesus rose after sunset on the sabbath then he must have been buried after sunset on wednesday to fulfill the 3 nights and 3 days. Are you saying His prediction was false - He lied ? because we are told it all happened according to scripture.
Jesus was not in the heart of the earth (buried) from the moment He died. WHY can't we know how long that was when He Himself told us in scripture ? People would rather believe what other people have to say.

Every thing you said can be refuted and shows some ignorance on your part...

a. Jesus rose the first day of the week
b. Nowhere did I even come close to indicating Jesus lied
c. The moment of DEATH the spirit is either in HELL or was in PARADISE...JESUS was in the CENTER of the EARTH form the moment he GAVE up the GHOST
d. No where does it indicate an exact 72 hour period.....

And I do believe the scriptures....it seems obvious you at missing the mark......!

 

[garee]

Psst, no English word is biblical it's a translation, the word week in Hebrew is called shabua (shaw-boo'-ah) and yea they use a word that represents our use of the English word week..

No whispering.I might not hear you and get the wrong meaning for a word. LOL

The word "Shabbat" comes from the root Shin-Beit-Tav, meaning to cease, to end, or to rest. Nothing to do with being time sensitive.Some one added that kind of meaning

Sabbath principles do not limit observance to either Saturday or Sunday, ...they are cerimoinail laws(shadows) and we are not to judge one another in respect to it.

I like how you find the one bible that fits your agenda, in saying what you said.. huh this makes me wonder about something I'm seeing.. After looking at 40 or so bibles there's only one that says it that way and they are referring to what people consider the sabbath today, not 2000 years ago it was on a Saturday as well as the same as today for Jewish people.

What do the Jewish people have to do with it ? It was Saturday until the new era of Sabbaths came in respect to the new creation..

Why would some not want to define it the way it is written as a literal translation? What difference does it make if 39 did not do the work. It is clearly introducing the new era (Sunday) Sabbaths.

How else do you think the Sabbath is on Sunday?

Matthew 28Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
28 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

Not And on the eve of the week, at the dawn, toward the first of the week

The Hebrew word for week in the scriptures ( a time sensitive word). hepta hemera (7 days)

The Greek word for the English word Sabbath.. sabbaton ,(not a time sensitive word) to abstain from all work. (Not for a week)

The Greek word for the English week.. evdomáda

The Hebrew word for rest is not a time sensitive word. shabath

Translating a rest term into a time sensitive ?

Gen 2:2 And on seventh day {sheb-ee-ee'} God ended his work which he had made; and he week (Sabbath). on the seventh day {sheb-ee-ee'} from all his work which he had made?

Another one that the translator seemed to be confused on.

19 and I will give to thee the keys of the reign of the heavens, and whatever thou mayest bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever thou mayest loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.'Mathew 16 :19 Young's literal

Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.KJV

Can we just change the meaning on any word? Does whatever we loose on earth it gets bound in heaven ?Name it claim it

The Catholic believe they can just as the apostate Jews

Which one fits your fits your agenda?

 

[GeorgieDog]

The sign of Jonah is something special concerning Christ, and the way that He saved foolish Nineveh.

He was taking the Vineyard away from His people and giving it to another.

Listen what the Lord says to Israel concerning the United States(Gentiles).

"...I will provoke you to jealousy by those who are not a peoole, I will move you to anger by a foolish nation." Romans10:19

This is because they would not and could not accept His love for them. They were faithless.

But to both nations He says again" I called a people who are not My people, My people". Referring to both.

But there shall be a great falling away, after a great time of harvest.That is when the Vineyard shall br uprooted and return to it's place of origen, which is Christ. And then all Israel shall be saved.

 

[beta]

I do too believe, yet no where in scripture says Jesus rose on the 7th day, scripture says the first day of the week.. Not sure how you get the resurrection on the Jewish day of sabbath the 7th day..

True, it does not say that - neither does it say He rose on sunday ! 'He is risen or 'He was risen by the time the women got to the tomb...that is the best we have and is not saying 'He was rising then to make sunday a certainty.
But anybody who can count 3 full daytime periods from sunset to sunset will get the right time.

 

[beta]

Is it because Jesus is called the sabbath you think the resurrection was on the seventh day.. That is the only reason I think you can come up with such a statement as he rose on the sabbath..

You are clutching at straws now and are completely off target. How many times have I said now that this whole event happened according to scripture 1Cor 15v3,4.
I give you scripture and you reject it see #245.

 

[beta]

No whispering.I might not hear you and get the wrong meaning for a word. LOL

The word "Shabbat" comes from the root Shin-Beit-Tav, meaning to cease, to end, or to rest. Nothing to do with being time sensitive.Some one added that kind of meaning

Sabbath principles do not limit observance to either Saturday or Sunday, ...they are cerimoinail laws(shadows) and we are not to judge one another in respect to it.



What do the Jewish people have to do with it ? It was Saturday until the new era of Sabbaths came in respect to the new creation..

Why would some not want to define it the way it is written as a literal translation? What difference does it make if 39 did not do the work. It is clearly introducing the new era (Sunday) Sabbaths.

How else do you think the Sabbath is on Sunday?

Matthew 28Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
28 And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre,

Not And on the eve of the week, at the dawn, toward the first of the week

The Hebrew word for week in the scriptures ( a time sensitive word). hepta hemera (7 days)

The Greek word for the English word Sabbath.. sabbaton ,(not a time sensitive word) to abstain from all work. (Not for a week)

The Greek word for the English week.. evdomáda

The Hebrew word for rest is not a time sensitive word. shabath

Translating a rest term into a time sensitive ?

Gen 2:2 And on seventh day {sheb-ee-ee'} God ended his work which he had made; and he week (Sabbath). on the seventh day {sheb-ee-ee'} from all his work which he had made?

Another one that the translator seemed to be confused on.

19 and I will give to thee the keys of the reign of the heavens, and whatever thou mayest bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever thou mayest loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.'Mathew 16 :19 Young's literal

Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.KJV

Can we just change the meaning on any word? Does whatever we loose on earth it gets bound in heaven ?Name it claim it

The Catholic believe they can just as the apostate Jews

Which one fits your fits your agenda?

Yes, ungodly people have done some diabolical twisting to establish sunday worship.
Tell me - since when do mere people decide what is holy or unholy ? they have the 'cheek of the devil.

 

[BeyondET]

You are clutching at straws now and are completely off target. How many times have I said now that this whole event happened according to scripture 1Cor 15v3,4.
I give you scripture and you reject it see #245.

Well I like the verse 2cor15-3~4 and that chapter teachings is a nice over view of things, basically those verses you posted is a quick generalized statement. one can tell because the verse only mentions Jesus rose on the third day, no mentioning of nights too. Though I get it because yea it's a quick statement..

Your question of Why people assume it's the first day of the week is from scripture, there is a lot of other verses mentioning of the resurrection in scripture but it comes down to rather how you see each testimonies within the bible.. I'll post some of the scriptures that mentions the first day of the week and the verses about spices at the burial of Jesus on preparation day which was the day before the sabbath. it's up to you what you believe,

I'm not going to get to a point were I'm calling people a cheek of the devil or ungodly or anything like that, that would be quite ugly thing to say just because peoples view is different on a meaning of verse or its teaching.. Especially on a site where folks are trying to learn more of God.. I guess if you want to rebuke these verses from scripture mentioning the first day of the week I guess that's your business.

Matthew 28:1
After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb.

John 20:1
Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.

Luke 24:1
On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women came to the tomb, bringing the spices they had prepared.


Luke 23:
50Now there was a Council member named Joseph, a good and righteous man, 51who had not consented to their decision or action. He was from the Judean town of Arimathea, and was waiting for the kingdom of God. 52He went to Pilate to ask for the body of Jesus. 53Then he took it down, wrapped it in a linen cloth, and placed it in a tomb cut into the rock, where no one had yet been laid. 54It was the Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was just beginning.

55The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed, and they saw the tomb and how His body was placed. 56Then they returned to prepare spices and perfumes. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

 

[beta]

Well I like the verse 2cor15-3~4 and that chapter teachings is a nice over view of things, basically those verses you posted is a quick generalized statement. one can tell because the verse only mentions Jesus rose on the third day, no mentioning of nights too. Though I get it because yea it's a quick statement..

Your question of Why people assume it's the first day of the week is from scripture, there is a lot of other verses mentioning of the resurrection in scripture but it comes down to rather how you see each testimonies within the bible.. I'll post some of the scriptures that mentions the first day of the week and the verses about spices at the burial of Jesus on preparation day which was the day before the sabbath. it's up to you what you believe,

I'm not going to get to a point were I'm calling people a cheek of the devil or ungodly or anything like that, that would be quite ugly thing to say just because peoples view is different on a meaning of verse or its teaching.. Especially on a site where folks are trying to learn more of God.. I guess if you want to rebuke these verses from scripture mentioning the first day of the week I guess that's your business.

Matthew 28:1
After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb.

John 20:1
Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.

Luke 24:1
On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, the women came to the tomb, bringing the spices they had prepared.


Luke 23:
50Now there was a Council member named Joseph, a good and righteous man, 51who had not consented to their decision or action. He was from the Judean town of Arimathea, and was waiting for the kingdom of God. 52He went to Pilate to ask for the body of Jesus. 53Then he took it down, wrapped it in a linen cloth, and placed it in a tomb cut into the rock, where no one had yet been laid. 54It was the Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was just beginning.

55The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed, and they saw the tomb and how His body was placed. 56Then they returned to prepare spices and perfumes. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Ref to the cheek of ungodly men was perhaps not appropriate on this thread but you can't entirely discount it since it was their actions that led to sunday worship. You surely won't tell me that GOD established it ? and we know that if the foundation is wrong everything else will crumble.
I am well familiar with the scripts you posted and the 'preparation day you mentioned which was before the sabbath. Would you kindly clarify which prep day that was and which sabbath it preceded ? (I can help you if you don't know).
Can you also tell me when (what day)the women bought and prepared the spices ?
On which day did they rest per commandment.

Everybody thinks I don't know what I am talking about...so please explain !

 

[BeyondET]

Ref to the cheek of ungodly men was perhaps not appropriate on this thread but you can't entirely discount it since it was their actions that led to sunday worship. You surely won't tell me that GOD established it ? and we know that if the foundation is wrong everything else will crumble.
I am well familiar with the scripts you posted and the 'preparation day you mentioned which was before the sabbath. Would you kindly clarify which prep day that was and which sabbath it preceded ? (I can help you if you don't know).
Can you also tell me when (what day)the women bought and prepared the spices ?
On which day did they rest per commandment.

Everybody thinks I don't know what I am talking about...so please explain !

It's all good water under the bridge

Well looking at Luke 23: 54-55
True Jewish tradition for the up coming sabbath festival a person would make preparations all week for the upcoming festival now remember that festival wasn't a weekly event it one of the seven that are preformed annually.. But in verse 54 it states where that was mention (the Preparation day) was right before the sabbath day for the sabbath had just began at 6pm. So it is known which day the preparation day (plural) the day before the sabbath

In verse 55 states when the women on that day preparation day went and seen where his body was in the tomb, then they went and got spices and perfumes, more than likely within that hour of the day. how is that known well in that same verse 55 it says,, the women prepared the spices and perfumes, that same day before the sabbath according to the commandment (Law) honor the sabbath.

54It was the Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was just beginning.

55The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed, and they saw the tomb and how His body was placed. 56Then they returned to prepare spices and perfumes. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

 

[beta]

It's all good water under the bridge

Well looking at Luke 23: 54-55
True Jewish tradition for the up coming sabbath festival a person would make preparations all week for the upcoming festival now remember that festival wasn't a weekly event it one of the seven that are preformed annually.. But in verse 54 it states where that was mention (the Preparation day) was right before the sabbath day for the sabbath had just began at 6pm. So it is known which day the preparation day (plural) the day before the sabbath

In verse 55 states when the women on that day preparation day went and seen where his body was in the tomb, then they went and got spices and perfumes, more than likely within that hour of the day. how is that known well in that same verse 55 it says,, the women prepared the spices and perfumes, that same day before the sabbath according to the commandment (Law) honor the sabbath.

54It was the Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was just beginning.

55The women who had come with Jesus from Galilee followed, and they saw the tomb and how His body was placed. 56Then they returned to prepare spices and perfumes. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

Afraid I am none the wiser ! I could askyou to try again but I already know it won't help....of course not your fault. Thanks anyway !

 

[whirlingmerc]

I think it was Friday, it sometimes says on the 3rd day and sometimes after 3 days.... so I think the 3 days was
a bit loose with a part of a day and night counting as a day and night. In a way I would say it was true in the sense meant and
it doesn't matter to me if it was Weds Thur or Friday but I think Friday was it



as far as Jonah?
https://www.slideshare.net/MichaelScaman/jonah-a-worldview-in-50-sentences-or-less

 

[beta]

Well, that's an old thread resurrected. Are you new on here - not come across your name before ?
Have you read any of the old posts ? ... it might help !
When the Bible says 'Jesus' death, burial and resurrection were 'according to scripture 1 Cor 15v3,4, it does not allow any private guesswork/interpretation as you and many others are making as to 'parts of days or nights or whatever.
JESUS and SCRIPTURE are clear that there are 12 hours in the day and 12 hours in the night Joh 11v9. Any other rendering by MEN is 'unreliable in mho....so I'll say no more on the subject.

 

[Blain]

Ahem...