The SUNDAY CULTS - making an IDOL of sunday by ignoring the Word of God
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Admittedly, a form of the Greek word for sabbath (sabbaton or sabbatou) does appear in each of the eight passages translated “first day of the week.” For example, in Acts 20:7 this phrase is translated from the Greek mia ton sabbaton. However, sabbaton (or sabbatou) is never translated as “the Sabbath day” in these passages. Why? Because the word is used in these contexts (as Greek scholars overwhelmingly agree) to denote a “week” (Perschbacher, 1990, p. 364), “a period of seven days” (Danker, et al., 2000, p. 910; cf. Thayer, 1962, p. 566). Jesus once used the term “Sabbath” in this sense while teaching about the sinfulness of self-righteousness (Luke 18:9). He told a parable of the sanctimonious Pharisee who prayed: “God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess” (18:11-12, emp. added). The phrase “twice a week” comes from the Greek dis tou sabbatou. Obviously Jesus was not saying that the Pharisee boasted of fasting twice on the Sabbath day, but twice (dis) a week (tou sabbatou).
According to R.C.H. Lenski, since “[t]he Jews had no names for the weekdays,” they “designated them with reference to their Sabbath” (1943, p. 1148). Thus, mia ton sabbatonmeans “the first (day) with reference to the Sabbath,” i.e., the first (day) following the Sabbath (Lenski, p. 1148), or, as we would say in 21st century English, “the first day of the week.”
Apologetics Press - “The First Day of the Week”
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Not only that but they broke bread daily.
Shhh...."my church" believes that we are commanded to only take communion on Sunday
They get this from Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.
Sounds like a command not to take communion on any other day to me (That was sarcastic, just in case I wasn't clear)
Shhh...."my church" believes that we are commanded to only take communion on Sunday
They get this from Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.
Sounds like a command not to take communion on any other day to me
(That was sarcastic, just in case I wasn't clear)
L
Notice this translation
Acts 20:7 LITV
(7) And on the first of the sabbaths, the disciples having been assembled to break bread, being about to depart on the morrow, Paul reasoned to them. And he continued his speech until midnight.
Leviticus 23:15-16 KJV
(15) And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
(16) Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
Acts 20:7 LITV
(7) And on the first of the sabbaths, the disciples having been assembled to break bread, being about to depart on the morrow, Paul reasoned to them. And he continued his speech until midnight.
Leviticus 23:15-16 KJV
(15) And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
(16) Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
As used in Act 20:7 sabbatou refers to a week. First of Sabbath is first day from Sabbath or Sunday.
Jesus once used the term “Sabbath” in this sense while teaching about the sinfulness of self-righteousness (Luke 18:9). He told a parable of the sanctimonious Pharisee who prayed: “God, I thank You that I am not like other men—extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I possess” (18:11-12, emp. added). The phrase “twice a week” comes from the Greek dis tou sabbatou. Obviously Jesus was not saying that the Pharisee boasted of fasting twice on the Sabbath day, but twice (dis) a week (tou sabbatou).
Not only that but they broke bread daily.
Shhh...."my church" believes that we are commanded to only take communion on Sunday
They get this from Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.
Sounds like a command not to take communion on any other day to me (That was sarcastic, just in case I wasn't clear)
Shhh...."my church" believes that we are commanded to only take communion on Sunday
They get this from Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we were gathered together to break bread, Paul began talking to them, intending to leave the next day, and he prolonged his message until midnight.
Sounds like a command not to take communion on any other day to me
(That was sarcastic, just in case I wasn't clear)
Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Act 20:11 When he therefore was come up again, and had broken bread, and eaten, and talked a long while, even till break of day, so he departed.
If this were truly on Sunday, then the service was at night and continued over into Monday when they broke bread again. If this is the model for the N.T. church, why don't they follow it?
R
the interpretation that you are implying simply won't work...because one verse earlier we find this...
acts 20:6..."We sailed from Philippi after the days of Unleavened Bread, and came to them at Troas within five days; and there we stayed seven days."
it took them about five days to reach troas...and they stayed there for seven days...that makes twelve days total...
even making the lenient assumption that they set sail immediately after the last day of unleavened bread...that still means paul's sermon took place no less than twelve days after the feast had ended...
the day of the wave offering of the firstfruits was during the feast of unleavened bread...specifically it was on the day after the weekly sabbath whenever it fell during the feast...
so here is the problem...even making the lenient assumption that the wave offering that year was on the very last day of the feast...it means that the 'first sabbath' that was counted from that date was no more than seven days after the end of the feast...
but paul was preaching at least -twelve- days after the end of the feast...it could not possibly have been the first sabbath counted from the wave offering...
so the only viable alternative is that the translation 'first of the sabbaths' is incorrect and that the mainstream translation 'first day of the week' is correct...
meaning that paul's sermon and the associated meeting took place on a sunday...
acts 20:6..."We sailed from Philippi after the days of Unleavened Bread, and came to them at Troas within five days; and there we stayed seven days."
it took them about five days to reach troas...and they stayed there for seven days...that makes twelve days total...
even making the lenient assumption that they set sail immediately after the last day of unleavened bread...that still means paul's sermon took place no less than twelve days after the feast had ended...
the day of the wave offering of the firstfruits was during the feast of unleavened bread...specifically it was on the day after the weekly sabbath whenever it fell during the feast...
so here is the problem...even making the lenient assumption that the wave offering that year was on the very last day of the feast...it means that the 'first sabbath' that was counted from that date was no more than seven days after the end of the feast...
but paul was preaching at least -twelve- days after the end of the feast...it could not possibly have been the first sabbath counted from the wave offering...
so the only viable alternative is that the translation 'first of the sabbaths' is incorrect and that the mainstream translation 'first day of the week' is correct...
meaning that paul's sermon and the associated meeting took place on a sunday...
M
Man yall are way overthinking this. The Sabbath is God's rest, which He invites His children to enter into His rest (peace) Whether one wants to have the Sabbath on Sunday, Saturday, Tuesday, etc. That doesn't matter. All He ask is that we set aside a day for Him. Not for His benefit but ours, so fast pace of this world doesn't "disconnect" us from His peace. One can choose to observe the Sabbath daily if he chooses. I think some of yall are just muddying the water. It's not that complicated.
N
Very good,but you forgot one more statement of the Lord, John 4:20-24 .
V 20. Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship.
V 21, Jesus said bto her, Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem
,worship the Father.
V 23. But the hour is coming,and NOW IS, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is
seeking such to worship him.
V 24. God is Spirit, and those who worship him MUST worship in Spirit and TRUTH.
Plus 1 Tim 2: 8. I desire therefore that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting;
God bless....
V 20. Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship.
V 21, Jesus said bto her, Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem
,worship the Father.
V 23. But the hour is coming,and NOW IS, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is
seeking such to worship him.
V 24. God is Spirit, and those who worship him MUST worship in Spirit and TRUTH.
Plus 1 Tim 2: 8. I desire therefore that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting;
God bless....
Act_20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
In our western mindset and understanding, we read the above and immediately think Sunday. But this is not talking about the first day of the week, and taken alone is out of context.
The word "day" is in italics and means the translators added the word "day".
First is "one of" and Week is "sabbaths"
So reading entire context of this passage:
Act 20:6 And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.
Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
"After the days of unleavened bread" is the counting of weeks each Sabbath till you reach Shavuot/Pentecost.
So Acts 20:7 actually reads "first = G3391"
μία
mia
mee'-ah
Irregular feminine of G1520; one or first: - a (certain), + agree, first, one, X other.
And "week = G4521"
σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.
LXX related word(s)
H7676 shabat
H7677 shabbaton
If you do not understand the Feast of Unleavened Bread and how to count to Pentecost, this KJV verse will be read misinpreted and presented falsely as a Sunday. The translators of the KJV wanted to be misleading, but the original language continually gives them grief in their misconception.
In our western mindset and understanding, we read the above and immediately think Sunday. But this is not talking about the first day of the week, and taken alone is out of context.
The word "day" is in italics and means the translators added the word "day".
First is "one of" and Week is "sabbaths"
So reading entire context of this passage:
Act 20:6 And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.
Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
"After the days of unleavened bread" is the counting of weeks each Sabbath till you reach Shavuot/Pentecost.
So Acts 20:7 actually reads "first = G3391"
μία
mia
mee'-ah
Irregular feminine of G1520; one or first: - a (certain), + agree, first, one, X other.
And "week = G4521"
σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.
LXX related word(s)
H7676 shabat
H7677 shabbaton
If you do not understand the Feast of Unleavened Bread and how to count to Pentecost, this KJV verse will be read misinpreted and presented falsely as a Sunday. The translators of the KJV wanted to be misleading, but the original language continually gives them grief in their misconception.
When God created the world and us, God also created the best way for us to live in it with abundance in all things, including joy.God also created a way for us to live eternally with Him after life here is over for us, but God also made it so we are free to choose to live that way or not.
From the very first, man has used his own reason to change how God created us to live, sometimes creating an entire God system and other times changing things a little here and there.Every single change has taken something away from us.
Now, the church is following Paul more than Christ.This would work, for Paul follows Christ and the OT God, but you can misunderstand Paul easily, and that is what has been done.From the first, it was said that Paul was against the Torah, and from the first it was proven Paul wasn’t.No one today believes he wasn’t.
In this post alone, I read that Christ didn’t agree with Moses, so we aren’t to listen to Moses.I read that to rest in Christ means we aren’t to honor the day the Lord blessed.I read that because it was discovered on Sunday that Christ had risen, they knew the hour He rose, although scripture does not say that.If we believed Christ, if we believed in an eternal God who is one, If we believed the entire bible was breathed by the one God, we would not believe in these things.
From the very first, man has used his own reason to change how God created us to live, sometimes creating an entire God system and other times changing things a little here and there.Every single change has taken something away from us.
Now, the church is following Paul more than Christ.This would work, for Paul follows Christ and the OT God, but you can misunderstand Paul easily, and that is what has been done.From the first, it was said that Paul was against the Torah, and from the first it was proven Paul wasn’t.No one today believes he wasn’t.
In this post alone, I read that Christ didn’t agree with Moses, so we aren’t to listen to Moses.I read that to rest in Christ means we aren’t to honor the day the Lord blessed.I read that because it was discovered on Sunday that Christ had risen, they knew the hour He rose, although scripture does not say that.If we believed Christ, if we believed in an eternal God who is one, If we believed the entire bible was breathed by the one God, we would not believe in these things.