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500 billion time 500 billion years old. The Earth is way older than man. Read the Genesis carefully. In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth. Then the Earth was dark and void without form. Read the book and say that God created something that was dark and without form. It became that way. The sun and moon were word of permission and not creation or that of force. meaning He Made the Sun to shine and the moon He made. not created.
Zonie do I display the love that comes with the BAPTISM? If so then you have your answer, if NOT please advize me where I did not love you with the Love of God perfected in me, and God above all. Please advize me where I did not KEEP the word of God, and pray for me. Thank you my dear friend.
You missed the session in the Bible study room where Robo aked me, if I sinned the past two weeks, and I said... ROBO God say the Saints has to be perfected BEFORE he unites them to the Body of Christ. I am a SAINT, made so by GOD. And a SAINT does not sin, otherwise God will not call him SAINT.... But I am NOT PERFECT YET... the SAINT HAS TO BE PERFECTED BEFORE GOD ADDS HIM TO THE BODY OF CHRIST.... Eph 4:11 to 13.
THe next time I came in was this weekend. And when Robo saw my name he asked.... Cobus so are you still perfect, or did you sin since we last talked... Again I said to Robo... Robo to stop sinning is not PERFECT YET... A SAINT is not perfect YET, even if he did not sin for three days or three years, If the SAINT IS NOT MADE PERFECT, he is NOT PERFECT YET, and NOT PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST... Only the PERFECT MAN, would be ADDED and fitly joined to the Body of Christ.... No sinner will EVER get there... they need to be mafe SAINTS FIRST, then they as SAINTS need to be FINISHED BY GOD ....UNTO A PERFECT MAN....
So here is my answer.... God says that whosoever HE MAKES BORN OF HIM SINNETH NOT.... And that when THE LOVE OF GOD IS PERECTED in a man, that man will love as GOD LOVED JESUS! Now Zone would you say I love you as God loved Jesus? If I do, then John 17 HAS MANIFESTED IN ME.... If I do not, please show me where I did not, so I can REPENT.
With the PERFECT LOVE OF GOD, I greet you with a JESUS KISS, God's Truth is that kiss.
Cobus.
If I say it and Father does not witness with me, then I will NOT say it.... Zone I love you as myself.... God I love you more. Amen!
You missed the session in the Bible study room where Robo aked me, if I sinned the past two weeks, and I said... ROBO God say the Saints has to be perfected BEFORE he unites them to the Body of Christ. I am a SAINT, made so by GOD. And a SAINT does not sin, otherwise God will not call him SAINT.... But I am NOT PERFECT YET... the SAINT HAS TO BE PERFECTED BEFORE GOD ADDS HIM TO THE BODY OF CHRIST.... Eph 4:11 to 13.
THe next time I came in was this weekend. And when Robo saw my name he asked.... Cobus so are you still perfect, or did you sin since we last talked... Again I said to Robo... Robo to stop sinning is not PERFECT YET... A SAINT is not perfect YET, even if he did not sin for three days or three years, If the SAINT IS NOT MADE PERFECT, he is NOT PERFECT YET, and NOT PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST... Only the PERFECT MAN, would be ADDED and fitly joined to the Body of Christ.... No sinner will EVER get there... they need to be mafe SAINTS FIRST, then they as SAINTS need to be FINISHED BY GOD ....UNTO A PERFECT MAN....
So here is my answer.... God says that whosoever HE MAKES BORN OF HIM SINNETH NOT.... And that when THE LOVE OF GOD IS PERECTED in a man, that man will love as GOD LOVED JESUS! Now Zone would you say I love you as God loved Jesus? If I do, then John 17 HAS MANIFESTED IN ME.... If I do not, please show me where I did not, so I can REPENT.
With the PERFECT LOVE OF GOD, I greet you with a JESUS KISS, God's Truth is that kiss.
Cobus.
If I say it and Father does not witness with me, then I will NOT say it.... Zone I love you as myself.... God I love you more. Amen!
I believe as Genesis say,,,,, In the biginning God created the heaven and the earth.... NO LIFE except GOD AND HIS HEAVENLY ANGELS.... NO LIFE ANYWHERE ELSE... Not on jupiter NOT on Mars... ONLY IN GOD AND HIS KINGDOM.... THIRD HEAVEN?
Life is STARTED when God seperated the water, becasue there WAS NO LAND WHEN GOD STARTED... No land, no food for dinosaures.... Either GOd is lying or scientist do not know how to date DEAD stuff.... I believe GOD! And did God not say... The DEAD TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN... So I guess Scientists will be taken care of by the dead.... Or are they already taken care of...
Why do I need to prove some fossil in some stone is this old or that old... ALL the fossil tells me is ... Here is a fish that dies in mud.... And the mud dried, and the fish bacame a fossil....
It is a dead fish, why would I care if it is dead 1000 years or 4378 years or whatever? All I know is AFTER GOD SEPERATED THE LAND AND THE WATERS, He made a sun and a moon and grass and irrigation and look, LIFE ON EARTH.... And that God made around 6600 years ago? Maybe the earth is way older, but there was no life... Water COVERED the earth,,, No light, and no life....
Life is STARTED when God seperated the water, becasue there WAS NO LAND WHEN GOD STARTED... No land, no food for dinosaures.... Either GOd is lying or scientist do not know how to date DEAD stuff.... I believe GOD! And did God not say... The DEAD TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN... So I guess Scientists will be taken care of by the dead.... Or are they already taken care of...
Why do I need to prove some fossil in some stone is this old or that old... ALL the fossil tells me is ... Here is a fish that dies in mud.... And the mud dried, and the fish bacame a fossil....
It is a dead fish, why would I care if it is dead 1000 years or 4378 years or whatever? All I know is AFTER GOD SEPERATED THE LAND AND THE WATERS, He made a sun and a moon and grass and irrigation and look, LIFE ON EARTH.... And that God made around 6600 years ago? Maybe the earth is way older, but there was no life... Water COVERED the earth,,, No light, and no life....
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Old earth scientists are buying into the scientific hype.
peter warned that this would happen.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, [SUP]4 [/SUP]and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” [SUP]5 [/SUP]For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, [SUP]6 [/SUP]by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.
All scientific data we see today comes from the basic premis that "things are today as they were ion the first day" Peter is warning, the earth back then was destroyed. Everything was different. True reading of scripture would show these carbon datings theories are flawed. because they assume the rate of decay was the same before the flood, that they are after. Which is simply not the case.
We do not need to make the Bible match up with science. If one actually studies, Science actually lines up with Scripture quite well.
peter warned that this would happen.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, [SUP]4 [/SUP]and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” [SUP]5 [/SUP]For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, [SUP]6 [/SUP]by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water.
All scientific data we see today comes from the basic premis that "things are today as they were ion the first day" Peter is warning, the earth back then was destroyed. Everything was different. True reading of scripture would show these carbon datings theories are flawed. because they assume the rate of decay was the same before the flood, that they are after. Which is simply not the case.
We do not need to make the Bible match up with science. If one actually studies, Science actually lines up with Scripture quite well.
Kerry I know about 16 people in South Africa that believes God's Word in Matthew 5:48. And we are dominating the Whole of South Africa, 52 million and some? Wow!
God said there will be FEW! We are FEW! And I do not know all people in SA so I suspect there would be more than I know, however, yu do not kick them out of every tree and bush. These TRUTH believers are few, believe me right through the World they are few...
Kerry as I was spending time with one of my TRUTH brothers I realized, the problem with all these different doctrines is the people that does not know the Truth/Word of God... But that is what God said... their lack of knowledge will make them fall... And the Bible is still available to all... Pity people cannot take the WORD just as it is written.... I think it does not suit them as sinners.... Sin is just to NICE, why STOP?
But God said this as well they will love their lusts mote than Him... Let me tell you one thing, you do not have to wish anything, just start loving God more than your lusts... You will be surprised how God bless you then.... God is the GREAT REWARDER... of those that diligently seek HIM... God is NOT FOUND IN SIN... so seek where sin is NOT...In HIS WORD...
God said there will be FEW! We are FEW! And I do not know all people in SA so I suspect there would be more than I know, however, yu do not kick them out of every tree and bush. These TRUTH believers are few, believe me right through the World they are few...
Kerry as I was spending time with one of my TRUTH brothers I realized, the problem with all these different doctrines is the people that does not know the Truth/Word of God... But that is what God said... their lack of knowledge will make them fall... And the Bible is still available to all... Pity people cannot take the WORD just as it is written.... I think it does not suit them as sinners.... Sin is just to NICE, why STOP?
But God said this as well they will love their lusts mote than Him... Let me tell you one thing, you do not have to wish anything, just start loving God more than your lusts... You will be surprised how God bless you then.... God is the GREAT REWARDER... of those that diligently seek HIM... God is NOT FOUND IN SIN... so seek where sin is NOT...In HIS WORD...
hi Cobus.
so, you're now saying you have been perfected.
and, you managed to avoid answering whether or not you have sin; and answering to why you have not obeyed the Gospel command to repent of your sin and lack of faith in God's acceptance of His Son's perfection on your behalf; and to be baptized into His death and raised in His resurrection.
repent and be baptized every one of you for the remission of sins, and you will receive the Holy Spirit.
why are you defying the command to believe; repent and be baptized?
i know you are loving.
i know you love me, and the others here.
i love you too.
you are also believing and teaching a false Gospel.
be ye perfect is not the Gospel.
so, you're now saying you have been perfected.
and, you managed to avoid answering whether or not you have sin; and answering to why you have not obeyed the Gospel command to repent of your sin and lack of faith in God's acceptance of His Son's perfection on your behalf; and to be baptized into His death and raised in His resurrection.
repent and be baptized every one of you for the remission of sins, and you will receive the Holy Spirit.
why are you defying the command to believe; repent and be baptized?
i know you are loving.
i know you love me, and the others here.
i love you too.
you are also believing and teaching a false Gospel.
be ye perfect is not the Gospel.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Cornelius recieved the Holy Spirit without water baptism. So maybe the Baptism God says in ONE BAPTISM is this one Cornelius had... The HOLY GHOST FELL ON ALL THEM,,, I think this was the FIRST GENTILE to be baptized with the Holy Spirit... and as I see the JEWS then used their tradition of waterbaptism,,,,
Paul SAVED thousands, and he himself says,,,, HE WAS NOT SEND to baptize (with water) and we all know Paul was an Apostle, so defenatelty the Holy Spirit saved THOUSANDS without water baptism through Paul...
Zonie I obey God, and the moment GOD SENDS A PERRSON TO BAPTIZE ME WITH WATER, I WILL GO! I do not have to wonder if I should go or not.... I WILL KNOW... I know God's voice and NEVER did HE tell me to go get boptized with water...
Zone were you baptized in water? So there is one baptism for you.... and were you baptized in Holy Spirit as well. The second baptism for you.... And God says there is only one... So if you had the water, can you still get the Holy Sprit one... Samaria did. but If you do get the WATER BAPTISM, is that a gaurentee you will get the Holy Spirit one? Simon in Samaria did not!
But if you DO GET the Holy Spirit one, this ONE BAPTISM, what happens then? Just compare the two in Acts 8. Samaria...
There is no comparison. The one did NOTHING, and the SPIRIT ONE DID EVERYTHING...
Zone what does the water baptism do to my state of salvation? Nowhere do i see Gos teach we should be baptized with water,,, NOT ONE SINGLE VERSE... Says,,,, GO AND BAPTIZE IN WATER... NOT ONE!
Do not change the words just show me ONE VERSE that says we have to be baptized with WATER, just ONE!
Zone the words WATER and BAPTIZE has to be in the verse.... Not the one John the baptist says he baptize with water,,, then he points to the ONE BAPTISM GOD SENT TO US FOR SALVATION.... The SPIRIT AND FIRE BAPTISM... That one I know but that one PROOFS the HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM IS THE ONLY BAPTISM GOD REFERS TOO IN EPH 4.
And Zone BE PERFECT is the ONLY Gospel that does not contradict a single verse in the bible, NO other doctrine stands up...
Only a PERFECT person is IN GOD. No other person can enter... Jesus makes sure of it. He says if you do not PASS through Him you are not HIS.... And we know He said....BE PERFECT, EVEN AS THOU FAHTER IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT....
I promise you.... HE MEANT EVERY WORD... He know what HIS WORK WILL ACOMPLISH WHEN HE FINISHES A SAINT...
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Cornelius recieved the Holy Spirit without water baptism. So maybe the Baptism God says in ONE BAPTISM is this one Cornelius had... The HOLY GHOST FELL ON ALL THEM,,, I think this was the FIRST GENTILE to be baptized with the Holy Spirit... and as I see the JEWS then used their tradition of waterbaptism,,,,
Paul SAVED thousands, and he himself says,,,, HE WAS NOT SEND to baptize (with water) and we all know Paul was an Apostle, so defenatelty the Holy Spirit saved THOUSANDS without water baptism through Paul...
Zonie I obey God, and the moment GOD SENDS A PERRSON TO BAPTIZE ME WITH WATER, I WILL GO! I do not have to wonder if I should go or not.... I WILL KNOW... I know God's voice and NEVER did HE tell me to go get boptized with water...
Zone were you baptized in water? So there is one baptism for you.... and were you baptized in Holy Spirit as well. The second baptism for you.... And God says there is only one... So if you had the water, can you still get the Holy Sprit one... Samaria did. but If you do get the WATER BAPTISM, is that a gaurentee you will get the Holy Spirit one? Simon in Samaria did not!
But if you DO GET the Holy Spirit one, this ONE BAPTISM, what happens then? Just compare the two in Acts 8. Samaria...
There is no comparison. The one did NOTHING, and the SPIRIT ONE DID EVERYTHING...
Zone what does the water baptism do to my state of salvation? Nowhere do i see Gos teach we should be baptized with water,,, NOT ONE SINGLE VERSE... Says,,,, GO AND BAPTIZE IN WATER... NOT ONE!
Do not change the words just show me ONE VERSE that says we have to be baptized with WATER, just ONE!
Zone the words WATER and BAPTIZE has to be in the verse.... Not the one John the baptist says he baptize with water,,, then he points to the ONE BAPTISM GOD SENT TO US FOR SALVATION.... The SPIRIT AND FIRE BAPTISM... That one I know but that one PROOFS the HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM IS THE ONLY BAPTISM GOD REFERS TOO IN EPH 4.
And Zone BE PERFECT is the ONLY Gospel that does not contradict a single verse in the bible, NO other doctrine stands up...
Only a PERFECT person is IN GOD. No other person can enter... Jesus makes sure of it. He says if you do not PASS through Him you are not HIS.... And we know He said....BE PERFECT, EVEN AS THOU FAHTER IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT....
I promise you.... HE MEANT EVERY WORD... He know what HIS WORK WILL ACOMPLISH WHEN HE FINISHES A SAINT...
why do you have to wait for God to send someone to you?
are you kicking at the goads Cobus?
or do you know the commandment, but won't submit to it?
Acts 9:18
17So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit." 18And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he got up and was baptized; 19and he took food and was strengthened. Now for several days he was with the disciples who were at Damascus
so, you haven't repented; haven't been baptized in water; and haven't been baptized with the Holy Spirit either.
since you said no one receives salvation and is added to His Body the church until they are perfect.
why should i listen to someone who hasn't obeyed the SIMPLE Gospel commandments of the Great Commission; doesn't have the Spirit; therefore is not born from above; therefore is yet a natural man?
Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
see Cobus, you can't have it both ways.
this came from PETER who was sent to the upper room to wait for the POWER from on High...so that he would be authorized to bring YOU the infallible Gospel of your salvation: forgiveness of sins and a new life in Christ.
Acts 2:38
Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 19:5
On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Galatians 3:27
for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
John 3
22After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He was spending time with them and baptizing. 23John also was baptizing in Aenon near Salim, because there was much water there; and people were coming and were being baptized
John 4:2
although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples.
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Baptism
Main article: Baptism in early Christianity
Early Christian beliefs regarding baptism probably predate the New Testament writings. It seems certain that numerous Jewish sects and certainly Jesus and his disciples practised baptism, which became integral to nearly every manifestation of the religion of the Jews. John the Baptist had baptized many people before baptisms took place in the name of Jesus Christ. Many of the interpretations that would later become orthodox Christian beliefs concerning baptism can be traced to apostles such as Paul, who likened baptism to being buried with Christ in his death (Romans 6:3,4; Colossians 2:12). On the basis of this description, it was supposed by some modern theologians that the early Christians practised baptism by submersion (Matthew 3:13-17). This interpretation is debated between those Christian denominations who advocate immersion baptism exclusively and those who practice baptism by affusion or aspersion as well as by immersion. Yet the Didache, one of the earliest Christian writings on liturgical practices, mentions that baptism may occur by pouring water on the head three times using the trinitarian formula (i.e., in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit).
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Interpretation of the baptismal practices of the early church is important to groups such as Baptists and Anabaptists, who believe that infant baptism was a later development, yet the early Christian writings mentioned above, which date from the 2nd and 3rd century clearly show that the early Christians did maintain such practice.[14]
Early Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Baptism with the Holy Spirit (alternatively Baptism in the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost) in Christian theology is a term describing baptism (washing or immersion) in or with the Spirit of God and is frequently associated with the bestowal of spiritual gifts and empowerment for Christian ministry.[1][2][3] While the phrase "baptism with the Holy Spirit" is found in the New Testament and all Christian traditions accept it as a theological concept, each has interpreted it in a way consistent with their own beliefs on ecclesiology and Christian initiation.[4] One view holds that the term refers only to Pentecost, the "once-for-all" event for the whole Church described in the second chapter of the Book of Acts.[5] Another view holds that the term also refers to an experience of the individual believer distinct from salvation and initiation into the Church.
Before the emergence of the holiness movement in the mid-19th century and Pentecostalism in the early 20th century, most denominations believed that Christians received the baptism with the Holy Spirit either upon conversion and regeneration[5] or through rites of Christian initiation. Since the growth and spread of Pentecostal and charismatic churches, however, the belief that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is an experience distinct from regeneration has come into increasing prominence.[6]
Baptism with the Holy Spirit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
are you kicking at the goads Cobus?
or do you know the commandment, but won't submit to it?
Acts 9:18
17So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit." 18And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he got up and was baptized; 19and he took food and was strengthened. Now for several days he was with the disciples who were at Damascus
so, you haven't repented; haven't been baptized in water; and haven't been baptized with the Holy Spirit either.
since you said no one receives salvation and is added to His Body the church until they are perfect.
why should i listen to someone who hasn't obeyed the SIMPLE Gospel commandments of the Great Commission; doesn't have the Spirit; therefore is not born from above; therefore is yet a natural man?
Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
see Cobus, you can't have it both ways.
this came from PETER who was sent to the upper room to wait for the POWER from on High...so that he would be authorized to bring YOU the infallible Gospel of your salvation: forgiveness of sins and a new life in Christ.
Acts 2:38
Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 19:5
On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Galatians 3:27
for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.
John 3
22After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He was spending time with them and baptizing. 23John also was baptizing in Aenon near Salim, because there was much water there; and people were coming and were being baptized
John 4:2
although in fact it was not Jesus who baptized, but his disciples.
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Baptism
Main article: Baptism in early Christianity
Early Christian beliefs regarding baptism probably predate the New Testament writings. It seems certain that numerous Jewish sects and certainly Jesus and his disciples practised baptism, which became integral to nearly every manifestation of the religion of the Jews. John the Baptist had baptized many people before baptisms took place in the name of Jesus Christ. Many of the interpretations that would later become orthodox Christian beliefs concerning baptism can be traced to apostles such as Paul, who likened baptism to being buried with Christ in his death (Romans 6:3,4; Colossians 2:12). On the basis of this description, it was supposed by some modern theologians that the early Christians practised baptism by submersion (Matthew 3:13-17). This interpretation is debated between those Christian denominations who advocate immersion baptism exclusively and those who practice baptism by affusion or aspersion as well as by immersion. Yet the Didache, one of the earliest Christian writings on liturgical practices, mentions that baptism may occur by pouring water on the head three times using the trinitarian formula (i.e., in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit).
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Interpretation of the baptismal practices of the early church is important to groups such as Baptists and Anabaptists, who believe that infant baptism was a later development, yet the early Christian writings mentioned above, which date from the 2nd and 3rd century clearly show that the early Christians did maintain such practice.[14]
Early Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Baptism with the Holy Spirit (alternatively Baptism in the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost) in Christian theology is a term describing baptism (washing or immersion) in or with the Spirit of God and is frequently associated with the bestowal of spiritual gifts and empowerment for Christian ministry.[1][2][3] While the phrase "baptism with the Holy Spirit" is found in the New Testament and all Christian traditions accept it as a theological concept, each has interpreted it in a way consistent with their own beliefs on ecclesiology and Christian initiation.[4] One view holds that the term refers only to Pentecost, the "once-for-all" event for the whole Church described in the second chapter of the Book of Acts.[5] Another view holds that the term also refers to an experience of the individual believer distinct from salvation and initiation into the Church.
Before the emergence of the holiness movement in the mid-19th century and Pentecostalism in the early 20th century, most denominations believed that Christians received the baptism with the Holy Spirit either upon conversion and regeneration[5] or through rites of Christian initiation. Since the growth and spread of Pentecostal and charismatic churches, however, the belief that the baptism with the Holy Spirit is an experience distinct from regeneration has come into increasing prominence.[6]
Baptism with the Holy Spirit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Acts 9:18
17So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit." 18And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he got up and was baptized; 19and he took food and was strengthened. Now for several days he was with the disciples who were at Damascus
Confirmation of HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM WHEN A SENT APOSTLE (ANANIAS) LAY HANDS ON A PERSON (PAUL)... Exactly like Samaria in Acts 8 received the Holy Ghost... IT FALLS ON THE PERSON.... That falling is so all enclosed it is like A BAPTISM.
Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
Again no water here.... BAptize in the NAME,,, NOt in WATER.... THE NAME... Do you know the NAME OF GOD IS: THE WORD OF GOD? Revelation 19:13... Baptize people in the NAME OF FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT,,,, is to BAPTIZE IN THE WORD OF GOD... Do a study on this in THE WORD OF GOD, AND God will show you...
Zone all the batisms you talk about, not one is said to do in water....
Here is the thing... REPENT... and be baptized.... Should I repent one sin then go to the pool and take a dive,, ,then take the next sin repent form that and take another dive? Or should I repent from ALL over a long time then go to a pool with a person that also still have to repent...
Show me when did a person repent? Explain to me how you understand the GREAT COMMISSION, then I might understand...
You see here is the thing... I know 10 000 people that were bapotized in water, obeying the great COMMISSION, and only one of the is a holy man now...ADN HE TEACHES THAT HE IS HOLY BECAUSE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM... WHEN THE SPIRIT OF GOD FELL ON HIM HE WAS MADE HOLY... aroung 7 years AFTER HIS WATERBAPTISM.
Then I know 15 other HOLY PEOPLE that were NOT BAPTIZED IN WATER...
Acts 2:38
Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Did Peter not baptize with HOLY SPIRIT when he went to SAMARIA in ACTS 8?,,, now if PETER BAPTIZED WITH HOLY SPIRIT IN ACTS * with what did he baptize in Acts 2? Do we not RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT WHEN PETER LAY HANS ON US? Are our sins not forgiven BEFORE THAT SPIRIT ENTERS? And then we are SEALED IN HOLINESS?
Acts 19:5
On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
ABSOLUTELY A BAPTISM OF SPIRIT.... Read the verses preceding this verse////
Water BAPTISM IS JOHN THE BAPTIST BAPTISM... But Paul laid his HANDS on them .... NO WATER...
LOOK and if you do not agree here, then you are the one kicking against the pricks... He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
These were ot one of the two groups of people NAME who he baptized with water.... THIS BAPTISM IS DEFENATELY HOLY SPIRIT Baptism...
Zone how many people did Paul baptize with the Holy Spirit and with the GOSPEL? and then only the house of the jailer and two other people with WATER....
So there Zone.... If you give me the choice of what Baptism I would love.... THE ONE GOD WANTS ME TO HAVE, and I have NO DOUBT HE WILL FALL ON ME... NO DOUBT... THAT IS THE ONE PERSON I AMD WAITING FOR... The one that will lay hands on me, not the one that wants to go to WATER...
17So Ananias departed and entered the house, and after laying his hands on him said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit." 18And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he got up and was baptized; 19and he took food and was strengthened. Now for several days he was with the disciples who were at Damascus
Confirmation of HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM WHEN A SENT APOSTLE (ANANIAS) LAY HANDS ON A PERSON (PAUL)... Exactly like Samaria in Acts 8 received the Holy Ghost... IT FALLS ON THE PERSON.... That falling is so all enclosed it is like A BAPTISM.
Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
Again no water here.... BAptize in the NAME,,, NOt in WATER.... THE NAME... Do you know the NAME OF GOD IS: THE WORD OF GOD? Revelation 19:13... Baptize people in the NAME OF FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT,,,, is to BAPTIZE IN THE WORD OF GOD... Do a study on this in THE WORD OF GOD, AND God will show you...
Zone all the batisms you talk about, not one is said to do in water....
Here is the thing... REPENT... and be baptized.... Should I repent one sin then go to the pool and take a dive,, ,then take the next sin repent form that and take another dive? Or should I repent from ALL over a long time then go to a pool with a person that also still have to repent...
Show me when did a person repent? Explain to me how you understand the GREAT COMMISSION, then I might understand...
You see here is the thing... I know 10 000 people that were bapotized in water, obeying the great COMMISSION, and only one of the is a holy man now...ADN HE TEACHES THAT HE IS HOLY BECAUSE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT BAPTISM... WHEN THE SPIRIT OF GOD FELL ON HIM HE WAS MADE HOLY... aroung 7 years AFTER HIS WATERBAPTISM.
Then I know 15 other HOLY PEOPLE that were NOT BAPTIZED IN WATER...
Acts 2:38
Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Did Peter not baptize with HOLY SPIRIT when he went to SAMARIA in ACTS 8?,,, now if PETER BAPTIZED WITH HOLY SPIRIT IN ACTS * with what did he baptize in Acts 2? Do we not RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT WHEN PETER LAY HANS ON US? Are our sins not forgiven BEFORE THAT SPIRIT ENTERS? And then we are SEALED IN HOLINESS?
Acts 19:5
On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
ABSOLUTELY A BAPTISM OF SPIRIT.... Read the verses preceding this verse////
Water BAPTISM IS JOHN THE BAPTIST BAPTISM... But Paul laid his HANDS on them .... NO WATER...
LOOK and if you do not agree here, then you are the one kicking against the pricks... He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
Act 19:3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Act 19:4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
Act 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Act 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
These were ot one of the two groups of people NAME who he baptized with water.... THIS BAPTISM IS DEFENATELY HOLY SPIRIT Baptism...
Zone how many people did Paul baptize with the Holy Spirit and with the GOSPEL? and then only the house of the jailer and two other people with WATER....
So there Zone.... If you give me the choice of what Baptism I would love.... THE ONE GOD WANTS ME TO HAVE, and I have NO DOUBT HE WILL FALL ON ME... NO DOUBT... THAT IS THE ONE PERSON I AMD WAITING FOR... The one that will lay hands on me, not the one that wants to go to WATER...
L
just ignore Cobus. He derails every thread he joins: spreading his vile theology, and causing dissension as he goes.
There are many dating methods. The problem is that none of the dating methods agree (agreement is within 1% of the timetable) with the outcomes of other dating methods, for objects over 7000 years old (they are rarely within 20%).
There are no dating methods that are accurate any further than 2400 years. Many claim they are, but the truth is, you can date the same object the same way 5 times and you will always get 5 different answers. I have never seen any of the methods get the same back to back readings for any objects past 4000 years.
There are several problems for those dating objects. The 1st one is assuming the environment of the original fossil is the same environment as today. 2nd is assuming the conditions of fossilization. 3rd is assuming a steady rate of decay.
The Biblical worldview includes a global flood. Water damage is never figured into dating methods. There would be immense pressure under the weight of a global flood. Pressure is never figured into dating methods. Vapor canopy theory allows for an entirely different environment for earth prior to the flood.
There are many dating methods. The problem is that none of the dating methods agree (agreement is within 1% of the timetable) with the outcomes of other dating methods, for objects over 7000 years old (they are rarely within 20%).
There are no dating methods that are accurate any further than 2400 years. Many claim they are, but the truth is, you can date the same object the same way 5 times and you will always get 5 different answers. I have never seen any of the methods get the same back to back readings for any objects past 4000 years.
There are several problems for those dating objects. The 1st one is assuming the environment of the original fossil is the same environment as today. 2nd is assuming the conditions of fossilization. 3rd is assuming a steady rate of decay.
The Biblical worldview includes a global flood. Water damage is never figured into dating methods. There would be immense pressure under the weight of a global flood. Pressure is never figured into dating methods. Vapor canopy theory allows for an entirely different environment for earth prior to the flood.
Zone, let me help you understand this verse with what is written befiore and after this verse...And the proof of perfection is IN THIS SAME CHAPTER OF 1 JOHN 1
John says IF WE, yet who are he talking about, the ones that has relationship with God or the ones that does not have relationship with God.
Becasue just a few verses earlier he said... That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
WOW there John made a very clear seperation of two groups...
NOw what is the diffence between a man that has fellowship WITH JESUS AND FATHER, and one that has not.
John says this is the diufference... This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
Now can a person do sin in God? If I walk in God and sin, then I do darkness in the light.... Now did John walk in light (where there is no darkness (sin), or did he not?
What about you? Do you walk in light or darkness.... You CANNOT walk in both... You are either walk in light (have fellowship with him) or you walk in darkness and sin. Now note this.... THERE IS NO DARKNESS IN THE LIGHT... THERE IS NO SIN IN GOD OR IN THE FELLOWSHIP WITH GOD....
If a person reckons he does not need to have fellowship with the light, because he NEVER SINNED, He is the IF WE SAY WE HAVE NO SIN.... No person is BORN IN THE LIGHT... SAVE ONE! So the we is the WHOLE WORLD NEEDS TO CONFESS AND BE FORGIVEN AND BE CLEANSED FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS...
Only AFTER THEY ARE REMOVED FROM THE DARKNESS TO THE LIGHT... CLEANSED FRO MALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS... they are in FELLOWSHIP OF THE LIGHT... Then they DO WALK IN THE LIGHT AND IN THEM IS NO DARKNESS, LIKE GOD... PURE LIGHT! Then people will NOT SEE ANY SIN IN THEM... Then they also cannot say.... IF WE SAY WE HAVE NOT SINNED.. PAST TENCE....
Why past tence? They came over from darkness to light, from sin to holiness from Satan to God. They overcame and were given the inheritance of GLORY and ALL THINGS IN GOD...He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be myson.
But let patience have herperfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
When 1 John ran the full coarse with God's PROCESS, there is no NEED for fellowship, ALL IN GOD IS IN THE LIGHT, AND THERE IS NO COMMUNION BETWEEN LIGHT AND DARKNESS... THEY HAVE IT ALL!!!!!
John says IF WE, yet who are he talking about, the ones that has relationship with God or the ones that does not have relationship with God.
Becasue just a few verses earlier he said... That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
WOW there John made a very clear seperation of two groups...
NOw what is the diffence between a man that has fellowship WITH JESUS AND FATHER, and one that has not.
John says this is the diufference... This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
Now can a person do sin in God? If I walk in God and sin, then I do darkness in the light.... Now did John walk in light (where there is no darkness (sin), or did he not?
What about you? Do you walk in light or darkness.... You CANNOT walk in both... You are either walk in light (have fellowship with him) or you walk in darkness and sin. Now note this.... THERE IS NO DARKNESS IN THE LIGHT... THERE IS NO SIN IN GOD OR IN THE FELLOWSHIP WITH GOD....
If a person reckons he does not need to have fellowship with the light, because he NEVER SINNED, He is the IF WE SAY WE HAVE NO SIN.... No person is BORN IN THE LIGHT... SAVE ONE! So the we is the WHOLE WORLD NEEDS TO CONFESS AND BE FORGIVEN AND BE CLEANSED FROM ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS...
Only AFTER THEY ARE REMOVED FROM THE DARKNESS TO THE LIGHT... CLEANSED FRO MALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS... they are in FELLOWSHIP OF THE LIGHT... Then they DO WALK IN THE LIGHT AND IN THEM IS NO DARKNESS, LIKE GOD... PURE LIGHT! Then people will NOT SEE ANY SIN IN THEM... Then they also cannot say.... IF WE SAY WE HAVE NOT SINNED.. PAST TENCE....
Why past tence? They came over from darkness to light, from sin to holiness from Satan to God. They overcame and were given the inheritance of GLORY and ALL THINGS IN GOD...He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be myson.
But let patience have herperfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
When 1 John ran the full coarse with God's PROCESS, there is no NEED for fellowship, ALL IN GOD IS IN THE LIGHT, AND THERE IS NO COMMUNION BETWEEN LIGHT AND DARKNESS... THEY HAVE IT ALL!!!!!
Like this ONE MAN ARMY?....
And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
Luk 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
Luk 9:57 And it came to pass, that, as they went in the way, a certain man said unto him, Lord, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest.
Luk 9:58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
One of the SADDEST moments in the Bible.... Jesus was so alone here, He is GOD IN FLESH, on HIS CREATED EARTH and yet he is not welcome in a SINGLE HOME... He did not even had a single place to lay his head. WOW!
Jesus was not welcome and could not get permission to lay his head down on ANY MAN'S PROPERTY in this whole earth... WOW!
And it was also eveident a bit later.... HE was a ONE MAN ARMY, until He died on the cross.... So I guess I will also be a "One man army" until I am DEAD IN YOUR EYES... Maybe only then WILL GOD RESURRECT CHRIST IN ME, Or is it that CHRIST IS RESURRECTED IN ME and the sinners are CRUCIFYING HIM AGAIN...
LT, this challenge is for you, SHOW ME ONE THING I TYPED THAT IS NOT 100% Scrptural... And I will GIVE THE SCRIPTURE..
And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
Luk 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
Luk 9:57 And it came to pass, that, as they went in the way, a certain man said unto him, Lord, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest.
Luk 9:58 And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.
One of the SADDEST moments in the Bible.... Jesus was so alone here, He is GOD IN FLESH, on HIS CREATED EARTH and yet he is not welcome in a SINGLE HOME... He did not even had a single place to lay his head. WOW!
Jesus was not welcome and could not get permission to lay his head down on ANY MAN'S PROPERTY in this whole earth... WOW!
And it was also eveident a bit later.... HE was a ONE MAN ARMY, until He died on the cross.... So I guess I will also be a "One man army" until I am DEAD IN YOUR EYES... Maybe only then WILL GOD RESURRECT CHRIST IN ME, Or is it that CHRIST IS RESURRECTED IN ME and the sinners are CRUCIFYING HIM AGAIN...
LT, this challenge is for you, SHOW ME ONE THING I TYPED THAT IS NOT 100% Scrptural... And I will GIVE THE SCRIPTURE..