The Trinity according to the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD

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Also, the Holy Spirit indwells believers who are yet sinners, which is why we can grieve Him. The Holy Spirit contends with man in our fallen state which is an immense undertaking. The Holy Spirit was not given till after the Son ascended back to Heaven and was Glorified after accomplishing our Salvation in obedience to the Father and out of love for us and His Father.
Right. But how could the Father Give Jesus "a name above every name" unless He alone has the authority to do it?
 

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Right. But how could the Father Give Jesus "a name above every name" unless He alone has the authority to do it?
Precious friend, we all could probably learn from the Humility Shown by Two
'Members' Of The Triune GodHead:

1) The LORD Jesus Christ Humbly Submitted "To Be Sent" By The Father, and:

2) The Holy Spirit Doubly Humbly Submitted To Be Sent By Both The Father
And The Son (John 14:26, 15:26)

#20 Amen.
 
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I know people dont take kindly to Jesus words, and I dread any arguments but I do recall Him saying this

John 14:28, "You have heard that I told you: I go away, but come again to you. If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."
Luke 22:42 “Father, if You are willing, take this cup from Me. Yet not My will, but Yours be done.”
Two different wills means two different beings. Just because one does the will of the other doesn't mean that they have the same will or are the same being. How can Jesus also be all God when there are things that He doesn't know?
 

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How can Jesus also be all God when there are things that He doesn't know?
Hello CorrectiveLens, actually, He chose to "empty Himself" or set aside part of His Divine attributes for our sakes (which clearly included His omniscience) when He walked among us as a man .. e.g. Philippians 2:5-8. So, there were some things that He didn't know "then", but this was not true of Him before His Incarnation, nor has it be true of Him since His Resurrection and Ascension.

God bless you!

~Deuteronomy
 

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Two different wills means two different beings. Just because one does the will of the other doesn't mean that they have the same will or are the same being. How can Jesus also be all God when there are things that He doesn't know?
Yahshua is the Firstboen Son of YHWH

Psalms 89:26-27,26 “He calls out to Me, ‘You are my Father, My Ěl, and the rock of my deliverance.’ 27 “I also appoint him first-born, Highest of the sovereigns of the earth.
 
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Hello CorrectiveLens, actually, He chose to "empty Himself" or set aside part of His Divine attributes for our sakes (which clearly included His omniscience) when He walked among us as a man .. e.g. Philippians 2:5-8. So, there were some things that He didn't know "then", but this was not true of Him before His Incarnation, nor has it be true of Him since His Resurrection and Ascension.

God bless you!

~Deuteronomy
According to the Trinity as established by the Nicaean Council, Jesus was all God as Jesus. If He emptied Himself of His divinity, then He couldn't be all God. 7) in their union each nature preserves its distinct attributes (Jesus is all human and all God) is obviously in error.
 

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According to the Trinity as established by the Nicaean Council, Jesus was all God as Jesus. If He emptied Himself of His divinity, then He couldn't be all God. 7) in their union each nature preserves its distinct attributes (Jesus is all human and all God) is obviously in error.
Hello again CorrectiveLens, that’s not what I said, exactly (take note of the same words below, particularly the two in bold).
Hello CorrectiveLens, actually, He chose to "empty Himself" or set aside part of His Divine attributes for our sakes (which clearly included His omniscience) when He walked among us as a man .. e.g. Philippians 2:5-8. So, there were some things that He didn't know "then", but this was not true of Him before His Incarnation, nor has it be true of Him since His Resurrection and Ascension.

God bless you!

~Deuteronomy
 
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Locoponydirtman

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I want to know who of you deny that Jesus is God?
 
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Hello again CorrectiveLens, that’s not what I said, exactly (take note of the same words below, particularly the two in bold).
7) in their union each nature preserves its distinct attributes (Jesus is all human and all God) is obviously in error.
All God means totally God, not partially God.
 
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Do you Trinitarians believe in each one of the findings of the council?
What is the Trinity?
1) one God in three persons (one being or essence with 3 personalities)
2) co-eternal (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit have always existed)
3) co-essential (they share the same essence)
4) co-equal (the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God)
5) eternal generation (the begotten Son has always existed)
6) dual natures of Christ in one person (divine and human)
7) in their union each nature preserves its distinct attributes (Jesus is all human and all God)
8) two wills in Christ- divine and human- never conflict
Yes.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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7) in their union each nature preserves its distinct attributes (Jesus is all human and all God) is obvious.
All God means totally God, not partially God.
There ya go, fixed to be correct.
Seems to me you are denying that Jesus is God.
 
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In terms of the consubstantial or essence point. Yes Jesus is fully God since he is the Word of God, and fully man since the Word was made flesh in the womb of the Virgin in accordance to the prophesies. Really the whole chapter of John 1 is the backbone of the Trinity Doctrine, and it does indeed contain the consubstantial facet as well.

John 1:12-14

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
 
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Hello again CorrectiveLens, that’s not what I said, exactly (take note of the same words below, particularly the two in bold).
Greetings Deuteronomy, I've learned something from you that should be announced and replicated. When you greet someone on CC that you are responding to, there is a warmth that is exuded which allows us to greet each other with respect and brotherhood. I apologize for my lack of it ( the greeting part) due to my focus on the subject, but I'm going to follow your lead and change.
 
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During the reign of Diocletian, the greatest persecution of Christians occurred in the Roman Empire. He required all subjects to sacrifice to the Roman Gods ( of course true Christians would refuse and many bishops succumbed to the pressures ) and blamed Christians when bad things occurred. He sent a universal edict that Christianity was to be eliminated. Before he retired from being sole emperor of Rome, he divided the Roman Empire into 4 parts and put a general in each part to rule each part. After Diocletian retired, these generals fought each other and when one of them, Constantius, died, his son Constantine, took over and eventually became the sole ruler of the Roman Empire from 306 AD to 337 AD. Constantine's mother, Helena was a Christian and in 313 AD Constantine issued the Edict of Milan which legalized Christianity. By 325 AD Christianity was a major religion, but there were many factions competing with each other. Constantine was a sun worshiper. His coins had images of him with the sun god next to him. He wanted to keep his empire united so he sent 1800 invitations to Christian bishops from all over the empire to come to Nicaea to discuss topics in the Bible and come to a consensus. Sebellianism (the belief that the one God takes on the role of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) was already declared a heresy. The topics discussed during the council was Arianism, whether or not to accept bishops who recanted their faith under severe persecution back into the fold, and when to celebrate Easter. Arius believed that Christ was a created being made from a different substance from the Father. Around 300 bishops attended the Council of Nicaea and Constantine oversaw the proceedings. They declared Arianism a heresy so Constantine banished him, had his writings burned, and forbade possession of his writings. Meanwhile, the bishops at the council had to come up with a consensus on the divinity of Jesus. They believed that Jesus was God, the Father was God, and the Holy Spirit was God, but that went against the Jewish belief in one God. Also, they didn't want to fall into the category of Sebellianism, so they came up with the Trinity which states that there is only one God that is made up of three distinct persons. Each is the one God. Sounds like Sebllianism to me.
The Nicene Creed was adopted and this consensus was decreed to be taught by all bishops. The Roman Catholic Church adopted the consensus and declared Constantine a saint. They call him Saint Constantine although he was never canonized a saint. He had his son killed for what his wife told him, and then, when he found out that his wife had lied, he had her tossed into a vat of boiling water. It was in his later years that Eusebius took notes from him to write his biography. It is then that he relates his dream about conquering under the Christian banner. It is in his deathbed that he gets water baptized. He wanted to wait till then so that all the evil things that he did during his reign would be forgiven. Arianism persisted after the Council of Nicaea and eventually one of the later emperors was an Arian. Also, Arius was allowed back after making some modifications which satisfied the emperor Constantine.
 
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There ya go, fixed to be correct.
Seems to me you are denying that Jesus is God.
Hi Locopony. Since the Father put all things under Christ's feet except himself, and all authority and power comes from the Father, that tells me that Christ is my Lord, my God, and my Savior, but the Father is the one God of all including Christ. How many times have you read, " Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ"?
Psalms 45: 6-7 Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; the scepter of thy kingdom is a right scepter. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness; therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. The Father is so pleased with the Son that He calls Christ a God, and gives Him a kingdom (the Church) that makes up His spiritual body of righteous saints with Him as the head.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Hello Locoponydirtman, Jesus is my Lord, my Savior, and my God, but the Father is the One God of all including Jesus.
So to you there are a hierarchy of Gods, Jesus and the Father
 
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Luke 22:42 “Father, if You are willing, take this cup from Me. Yet not My will, but Yours be done.”
Greetings Magenta. Christ is proposing or suggesting something different (that the cup be taken from Him). His will is different, but just like an obedient son, He subjugated His will and obeyed the Father's will. Jesus was agonizing over His upcoming torture and death (This is the baptism that He was baptized with and the cup that He had to drink from), so much so that the Father sent an angel to strengthen Him. Thank you Father and thank you Jesus.
"8) two wills in Christ- divine and human- never conflict" means that both wills do not conflict because one submits to the other, but obviously they could differ. Again, different wills means different beings.