The Trinity according to the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD

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CorrectiveLens

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Do you Trinitarians believe in each one of the findings of the council?
What is the Trinity?
1) one God in three persons (one being or essence with 3 personalities)
2) co-eternal (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit have always existed)
3) co-essential (they share the same essence)
4) co-equal (the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God)
5) eternal generation (the begotten Son has always existed)
6) dual natures of Christ in one person (divine and human)
7) in their union each nature preserves its distinct attributes (Jesus is all human and all God)
8) two wills in Christ- divine and human- never conflict
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
Is it safe to say that you are not a believer in the trinitarian doctrine?
Why dont you explain to us what you believe?
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You still did not answer my question! I just want to find out if trinitarians are consistent in what they believe.
 
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CorrectiveLens said:
Do you Trinitarians believe in each one of the findings of the council?
What is the Trinity?
1) one God in three persons (one being or essence with 3 personalities)
2) co-eternal (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit have always existed)
3) co-essential (they share the same essence)
4) co-equal (the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God)
5) eternal generation (the begotten Son has always existed)
6) dual natures of Christ in one person (divine and human)
7) in their union each nature preserves its distinct attributes (Jesus is all human and all God)
8) two wills in Christ- divine and human- never conflict
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Yes.
 
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CorrectiveLens said:
Do you Trinitarians believe in each one of the findings of the council?
What is the Trinity?
1) one God in three persons (one being or essence with 3 personalities)
2) co-eternal (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit have always existed)
3) co-essential (they share the same essence)
4) co-equal (the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God)
5) eternal generation (the begotten Son has always existed)
6) dual natures of Christ in one person (divine and human)
7) in their union each nature preserves its distinct attributes (Jesus is all human and all God)
8) two wills in Christ- divine and human- never conflict
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Yes.
 
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CorrectiveLens said:
4) co-equal (the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God)
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I know people dont take kindly to Jesus words, and I dread any arguments but I do recall Him saying this

John 14:28, "You have heard that I told you: I go away, but come again to you. If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."
 
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This is a good read if anyone wants to study the Council of Nicea

"DOCUMENTS FROM THE FIRST COUNCIL OF NICEA [THE FIRST ECUMENICAL COUNCIL] A.D. 325 SOURCE: Henry R. Percival, ed., _The Seven Ecumenical Councils of the Undivided Church"
 
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CorrectiveLens said:
You still did not answer my question! I just want to find out if trinitarians are consistent in what they believe.
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I think you meant to say you want to trip someone up so you can say: See, told ya so. If you're not willing to answer Dirtman's questions I see no reason to take you seriously.
 
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Mat 24:36, “But concerning that day and the hour no one knows, not even the messengers of the heavens, but My Father only.”

Revelation 1:5-6, and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loveth us, and loosed us from our sins by his blood; and he made us to be a kingdom, to be priests unto his God and Father; to him be the glory and the dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

‘Comma Johanneum’ or ‘the Heavenly Witnesses’ refers to a short clause in John 5:7-8 in the Latin Vulgate text which was transmitted since the Early Middle Ages. It was later included in the Textus Receptus (published in 1516) in support of trinity doctrine. The ‘comma’ does not appear in the older Greek text. The comma first appeared in the Vulgate manuscripts of the 9th century. The first Greek (Textus Receptus) manuscript that contains the comma dates from the 15th century. The comma is absent from the Ethiopiac, Aramaic, Syriac, Slavic, Armenian, Georgian, and Arabic translations of the Greek New Testament. The scholarly consensus is that that passage is a Latin corruption that entered the Greek manuscript tradition in some subsequent copies. As the ‘comma’ does not appear in the manuscript tradition of other languages
 
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The 318 bishops issued a creed (Symbolum), 20 canons, and a letter to the church of Alexandria.

But the accounts of Eusebius, Socrates, Sozomen, Theodoret, and Rufinus may be considered as very important sources of historical information, as well as some data preserved by St. Athanasius, and a history of the Council of Nicaea written in Greek in the fifth century by Gelasius of Cyzicus.

Other information about the council is available from the church historians, which also detail action taken by the Emperor Constantine to enforce uniformity after the council. (The works of many of the Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers are available online

Theodoret, Historia Ecclesia, Book I, ch.6-13. This mentions that the definitions of Nicaea were drawn up with reference to Scripture; and the argument about whether phrase x or y was or was not in scripture formed the basis of much of the argument.

Socrates, Historia Ecclesia, Book I, ch.8. This mentions that Constantine exiled Arius and some of his supporters for refusing to submit to the decisions of the council. It also quotes an letter by Constantine ordering the destruction of all works composed by Arius on pain of death to any found holding them, and referring to a similar past order regarding the works of Porphyry.

Sozomen, Historia Ecclesia, Book 1, ch.21. This describes the results of the council. (Chapter 17 onwards describes the council). Constantine writes to all the cities ordering the destruction of the works of Arius and his followers, and the penalty of death for any who refused to destroy them. The letter is not quoted. There is also an anecdote where a Novatianist bishop is interviewed by the emperor. The bishop agrees to sign the creed but not to resume communion with the Catholics. Constantine tells him to get a ladder and ascend into heaven alone, then; but there is no mention of action against the Novatianists.

Eusebius, Vita Constantini, Book III, ch.6ff. This describes the council without mentioning Arius and concentrates on the harmonisation of the date of Easter. Later it gives the text of an edict by Constantine against heretics and schismatics, 'Novatians, Valentinians, Marcionites, Paulians, you who are called Cataphrygians', banning their meetings and confiscating their buildings. Eusebius goes on to say without quoting that a search was also decreed for their books in order to identify the heretics (although no details are given of what happened to the books).
 
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CorrectiveLens said:
Do you Trinitarians believe in each one of the findings of the council?
What is the Trinity?
1) one God in three persons (one being or essence with 3 personalities)
2) co-eternal (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit have always existed)
3) co-essential (they share the same essence)
4) co-equal (the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God)
5) eternal generation (the begotten Son has always existed)
6) dual natures of Christ in one person (divine and human)
7) in their union each nature preserves its distinct attributes (Jesus is all human and all God)
8) two wills in Christ- divine and human- never conflict
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I agree with these yeah. For more information about how I view the trinity:

 
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CorrectiveLens said:
Do you Trinitarians believe in each one of the findings of the council?
What is the Trinity?
1) one God in three persons (one being or essence with 3 personalities)
2) co-eternal (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit have always existed)
3) co-essential (they share the same essence)
4) co-equal (the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God)
5) eternal generation (the begotten Son has always existed)
6) dual natures of Christ in one person (divine and human)
7) in their union each nature preserves its distinct attributes (Jesus is all human and all God)
8) two wills in Christ- divine and human- never conflict
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I have trouble with #4. Yes all three is God but not all equal in authority.

Jesus is given all authority in Philippians 2:
9Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

In the end when Jesus conquers all, Jesus gives authority back to the Father.
1 Corinthians 15: 24Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. 28When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God (Father)may be all in all.
 
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CorrectiveLens said:
you Trinitarians
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Athanasius argued that Arianism itself is what introduces polytheism, because Arianism/unitarianism denies the homoousias of the Son and the Father (of one substance) but the worship of Christ is in no way anything less than central to the Christian faith, and was never removed.

so Arianism/unitarianism becomes polytheistic, acknowledging the divinity of Christ but denying His equality in the godhead, making of Him a 'different god'

interestingly Athanasius was the student of Arius, so he knew perhaps better than anyone but Arius himself what was being argued.
 
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This part is essential to the quote above from Philippians 2 also.

5 Have this in your mind, which was also in Messiah Yeshua, 6 Who, existing in the form of EL(God, Theos, Elohim) didn’t consider equality with EL(God, Theos, Elohim) a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a Servant, being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, He humbled Himself, becoming obedient to the point of death, yes, the death of the cross.

He emptied Himself and became a Man to save us from our sins by suffering death for us that those who believe in Him may receive Eternal Life.
 
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Also, the Holy Spirit indwells believers who are yet sinners, which is why we can grieve Him. The Holy Spirit contends with man in our fallen state which is an immense undertaking. The Holy Spirit was not given till after the Son ascended back to Heaven and was Glorified after accomplishing our Salvation in obedience to the Father and out of love for us and His Father.
 
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CorrectiveLens said:
What is the Trinity?
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Precious friend, no problem with any of these Plain and Clear Scriptures
at all!:

160 Reasons The LORD Jesus Christ Is God
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The Holy Spirit Is God:

(A) The Holy Spirit Is The God That "Ananias And Sapphira lied to!"
(Acts 5:3-4 KJB)

(B) The Holy Spirit Is The God That Raised Jesus Christ From The Dead!,
(Rom 8:9-11 cp 1Co 6:14; 2Co 4:14; 1Pe3:18 KJB)

(C) The Holy Spirit Is The Omnipresent God That Dwells In All "believers,"
Being The "Blessed Teacher!," For: Understanding!
(Rom 8:9-11 cp 1Co 3:16, 6:19, 2:13 KJB)

Amen.
 
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