The Trinity according to the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD

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Was that will ("not My will") the will of the 2nd person of some trinity or was that the will of Jesus' flesh.?
According to the Trinity concept established at the council of Nicaea, Jesus was all human and all God. If He was all God, the God part of Him would quench the fear He experienced in Luke 22: 42. But in Luke 22: 43, the Father had to send an angel to strengthen Him.
 

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From Jesus:

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Forgiving sin:

Luke 5:19 And when they could not find by what way they might bring him in because of the multitude, they went upon the housetop, and let him down through the tiling with his couch into the midst before Jesus.
Luke 5:20 And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.
Luke 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?
 

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Well, it is the Father AND Jesus sending the Comforter:


Joh_15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Joh_16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
I never disagreed with that:

Matthew 9:6,“But in order for you to know that the Son of Aḏam possesses authority on earth to forgive sins...” He then said to the paralytic, “Rise, take up your bed, and go to your house.”"

John/Yahanan 7:16-17, "Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority."

He got the authority from the Father. None the less a incredible thing.
 

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Sorry for the double post the other one did not post properly

From Jesus:

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Forgiving sin:

Luke 5:19 And when they could not find by what way they might bring him in because of the multitude, they went upon the housetop, and let him down through the tiling with his couch into the midst before Jesus.
Luke 5:20 And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.
Luke 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?
Indeed I recall this, as He said all judgment has been given to Him also, thus life or death as He says:

John 5:27-30, "and He has given Him authority also to do judgment, because He is the Son of Aḏam.“Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the tombs shall hear His voice,and shall come forth – those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have practised evil matters, to a resurrection of judgment.“Of Myself I am unable to do any matter. As I hear, I judge, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own desire, but the desire of the Father who sent Me."

Again an incredible thing.
 

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Well, it is the Father AND Jesus sending the Comforter:


Joh_15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Joh_16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
This one I honestly did not remember.

John 14:26,“But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you."

They do not contradict because of this I believe " from the Father"

Joh_15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

It seems to me, and im open to any other advice especially because this is not a topic I have studied, but I have read for years, seems that YHWH sends, commands etc and the authority is given to Yahshua to execute those authorties

John 1:3, “All came to be through (G1223) Him, and without Him not even one came to be that came to be.”

Hebrews 1:2,, “has in these last days spoken to us by the Son, whom He has appointed heir of all, through (G1223) whom also He made the ages,”

No small task, but the highest I have ever heard of.
 
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The truth about the heretic Arius and how God made him void his own substance out himself in direct punishment of his heresy. PRAISE JESUS!

 

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This one I honestly did not remember.

John 14:26,“But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you."

They do not contradict because of this I believe " from the Father"

Joh_15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

It seems to me, and im open to any other advice especially because this is not a topic I have studied, but I have read for years, seems that YHWH sends, commands etc and the authority is given to Yahshua to execute those authorties

John 1:3, “All came to be through (G1223) Him, and without Him not even one came to be that came to be.”

Hebrews 1:2,, “has in these last days spoken to us by the Son, whom He has appointed heir of all, through (G1223) whom also He made the ages,”

No small task, but the highest I have ever heard of.
Yes Jesus does have that authority from the Father. He is subject to the Father. Does that make Jesus a lesser being?

Jesus still can forgive sin... Has power of it. No other being has that power. I could forgive you of an offense to me...but Jesus would forgive both of us.. without either of us directly offending Him. Like if in biblical times I was to steal from Luke... Jesus would have the power to forgive me.

The disciples and apostles had power from God given to them..
But they could not have power over sin.

Jesus also had power over nature..to turn water into wine and raise the dead.

The disciples and apostles could do this in Jesus own authority...but Jesus was doing it by not only the Fathers authority..but His own.

If I said the prime minister of New Zealand is greater than me.. the only sense of them being greater is office and position..they are not a superior being.

The same goes for Jesus reference to the Father as greater.

The verse 'the Father is greater than I' is not a verse about the Father being superior. That isn't the context of the verse.

There is a verse that says God won't hear sinners..

But I think it is said by someone who is unsaved and in league with the enemy. (Need to check it)
 
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This one I honestly did not remember.

John 14:26,“But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you."

They do not contradict because of this I believe " from the Father"

Joh_15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

It seems to me, and im open to any other advice especially because this is not a topic I have studied, but I have read for years, seems that YHWH sends, commands etc and the authority is given to Yahshua to execute those authorties

John 1:3, “All came to be through (G1223) Him, and without Him not even one came to be that came to be.”

Hebrews 1:2,, “has in these last days spoken to us by the Son, whom He has appointed heir of all, through (G1223) whom also He made the ages,”

No small task, but the highest I have ever heard of.
Isaiah 63: 9-10 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of His presence saved them; and in His pity He redeemed them; and He bore them, and carried them all the days of old. But they rebelled, and vexed His Holy Spirit; therefore, He was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.
In this scripture Isaiah is stating that the Holy Spirit is the angel of God's (the Father's) presence. Where His Holy Spirit is, the Father is. The Father speaks, communicates, empowers, and gives authority through His Holy Spirit.
Jesus states that the words He spoke were not His words but the words of He who sent Him (the Father). After Jesus died and then rose again, He told His apostles to wait in Jerusalem because He was going to the Father to get glorified and then He was going to send the Comforter (the Holy Spirit of the Father). When Jesus went back to get glorified, He was given a spiritual body full of the Holy Spirit of the Father so that both the Father and Son would be able to communicate, speak through, empower, and give authority to those that the Father chooses. All that are in heaven are there in the Father's name. That means that they are baptized in the name of the Father and are sealed with His Holy Spirit. It is the Father who gives Christ all that He has, including the title of God, the power of God, His spiritual body (made up of born again believers in the truth) , His righteousness, and the love that they share.
There is only one baptism, and that is the baptism in the name of the Father (being predetermined, predestined, chosen, elected, or written in the Book of Life before the world was). The baptism in the name of the Son will be sure to follow through the preaching about forgiveness of sins through Jesus, who will then baptize in the name of the Holy Spirit of the Father and Son (the angel of their presence) to create a new being (John 1: 13 Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, not of the will of man, but of God.)
Both the Father and Son communicate with and fill the hearts of the recipients with the same divine Love that they share so that the recipients would be perfected by obeying the Spirit of the Law which is to love God first with all your heart, mind, and soul , and second, to love everyone else as you love yourself. Sharing the Holy Spirit of the Father makes both Jesus and us one with the Father.
 

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Isaiah 63: 9-10 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of His presence saved them; and in His pity He redeemed them; and He bore them, and carried them all the days of old. But they rebelled, and vexed His Holy Spirit; therefore, He was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.
In this scripture Isaiah is stating that the Holy Spirit is the angel of God's (the Father's) presence. Where His Holy Spirit is, the Father is. The Father speaks, communicates, empowers, and gives authority through His Holy Spirit.
Jesus states that the words He spoke were not His words but the words of He who sent Him (the Father). After Jesus died and then rose again, He told His apostles to wait in Jerusalem because He was going to the Father to get glorified and then He was going to send the Comforter (the Holy Spirit of the Father). When Jesus went back to get glorified, He was given a spiritual body full of the Holy Spirit of the Father so that both the Father and Son would be able to communicate, speak through, empower, and give authority to those that the Father chooses. All that are in heaven are there in the Father's name. That means that they are baptized in the name of the Father and are sealed with His Holy Spirit. It is the Father who gives Christ all that He has, including the title of God, the power of God, His spiritual body (made up of born again believers in the truth) , His righteousness, and the love that they share.
There is only one baptism, and that is the baptism in the name of the Father (being predetermined, predestined, chosen, elected, or written in the Book of Life before the world was). The baptism in the name of the Son will be sure to follow through the preaching about forgiveness of sins through Jesus, who will then baptize in the name of the Holy Spirit of the Father and Son (the angel of their presence) to create a new being (John 1: 13 Who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, not of the will of man, but of God.)
Both the Father and Son communicate with and fill the hearts of the recipients with the same divine Love that they share so that the recipients would be perfected by obeying the Spirit of the Law which is to love God first with all your heart, mind, and soul , and second, to love everyone else as you love yourself. Sharing the Holy Spirit of the Father makes both Jesus and us one with the Father.
The sense in which Jesus is one with the Father is not the same as believers being one with the Father.

Jesus is the Word ..and all things were created thru Him. Cant say that about us believers.

His oneness is at a different level
 

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Two different wills means two different beings.
oh?

in my inner being I delight in God’s law; but I see another law at work in me,
waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me.

(Romans 7:22-23)
 

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According to the Trinity as established by the Nicaean Council, Jesus was all God as Jesus. If He emptied Himself of His divinity, then He couldn't be all God. 7) in their union each nature preserves its distinct attributes (Jesus is all human and all God) is obviously in error.
IMO He emptied Himself of glory
 

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Greetings Magenta. Christ is proposing or suggesting something different (that the cup be taken from Him). His will is different, but just like an obedient son, He subjugated His will and obeyed the Father's will. Jesus was agonizing over His upcoming torture and death (This is the baptism that He was baptized with and the cup that He had to drink from), so much so that the Father sent an angel to strengthen Him. Thank you Father and thank you Jesus.
"8) two wills in Christ- divine and human- never conflict" means that both wills do not conflict because one submits to the other, but obviously they could differ. Again, different wills means different beings.
He is expressing the dual attitudes of God, both to judge and to show mercy: the philosophical friction between His holiness and His lovingkindness.

Jesus does not express a desire to '
let this cup pass' because He is afraid or weak or disobedient or ignorant or faithless.
the result of the cup is the absolution of the sins of the world; therefore the result of not-cup is the judgement of the world.

all judgement is given to Him. for this reason exists the will to set aside the cup, the holiness and righteousness of God.
but the righteousness of God is also His mercy -- thus the cup, which becomes damnation to those who do not believe, and salvation for those who do.
 
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The sense in which Jesus is one with the Father is not the same as believers being one with the Father.

Jesus is the Word ..and all things were created thru Him. Cant say that about us believers.

His oneness is at a different level
Hi Brother Wattie,
John 17: 20-23 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also who shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also, may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them, that they may be one, even (that is) as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they maybe made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
You still do not understand Oneness.
John 14: 8-10 Philip saith unto Him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been such a long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? He that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you, I speak not of myself; but the Father that dwelleth in me, He doeth the works.
Jesus is the image of the Father because the Father, fills Christ's being with His Holy Spirit through which the Father communicates, speaks, and empowers.
Col 1:15-16 Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation; For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions, or principalities, or powers--all things were created by Him, and for Him; And He is before all things, and by Him all things consist. And He is the head of the Church; who is the beginning, the first-born from the dead, that in all things He might have the pre-eminence.
The Father is the invisible God and Christ is the image of the Father because the Father operates His will through His image. An image is not the original in the sense that an offspring is formed from the parent to form a different being but of the same type. Christ is the perfect Son because, although He has His own will, He lives to do the Father's will. The Father communicates His will and empowers Christ through His Holy Spirit which fills Christ's being. The first-born of all creation means that He came into existence before anything was created and that is because it was He who created all things by the will and power of the Father. Christ is the first living soul to rise from the dead, and as such, all who are members of His Spiritual body will become alive with Him. Members of His body are united because we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit of the Father and Son.
 
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Praise Jesus, God made manifest that the Trinity Doctrine is indeed correct and that the heretic Arius was lethally incorrect. Indeed it is true, because Constantine was a Chad Christian convert and still somewhat novice in Christianity in the name of order and peace he attempted to force Arius back into the Church, but Arius never repented of his wicked heresy that denies the deity of Jesus Christ, and Arius basically just sought to create this heresy in order to create a cult for his own ego and so died by a faithful Saint praying him to death and Arius literally died without a hand touching him and in a manner in which is poetically exactly counter to his wicked heresy revolving around arguing against the Substance of God, PRAISE JESUS!

Besides just attacking Arius, take note of the faithful Saint how his prayers were true and effectual, for TRUTH is the substance of God and Jesus, PRAISE JESUS! As far as the Council of Nicaea goes Alexander was present at this historic event though more of a minor figure at the time of it. Interestingly he would go on to become the first Archbishop of Constantinople.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_of_Constantinople


Arian controversy
When the Arian controversy began, Alexander, the Patriarch of Alexandria, requested his cooperation in combatting what he perceived to be heresy.[8] According to most sources, Alexander of Constantinople was present at the First Council of Nicaea[9] as Metrophanes' deputy, although some sources state that Metrophanes (who would have been 117 years of age at the time) attended the council personally. At the council, Arius and his teachings were condemned.


Later, Arius desired to be received back into the communion of the Church. The Roman Emperor Constantine I, having been convinced by the Eusebians, commanded Alexander to formally receive Arius back.[10] According to Socrates Scholasticus, Arius did not in fact repent of his heresy, but was equivocating, and Bishop Alexander was aware of this.[11] Alexander, though threatened by the Eusebians with deposition and banishment, persisted in his refusal to admit Arius back into the Church, and shut himself up in the Church of Hagia Irene (which at that time was the cathedral of Constantinople) in fervent prayer that God would take him from this world rather than be forced to restore someone to communion who he feared was only feigning repentance. As it happened, Arius died on his way to the church, before he could be received back into communion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arius

It was then Saturday, and Arius was expecting to assemble with the church on the day following: but divine retribution overtook his daring criminalities. For going out of the imperial palace, attended by a crowd of Eusebian partisans like guards, he paraded proudly through the midst of the city, attracting the notice of all the people. As he approached the place called Constantine's Forum, where the column of porphyry is erected, a terror arising from the remorse of conscience seized Arius, and with the terror a violent relaxation of the bowels: he therefore enquired whether there was a convenient place near, and being directed to the back of Constantine's Forum, he hastened thither. Soon after a faintness came over him, and together with the evacuations his bowels protruded, followed by a copious hemorrhage, and the descent of the smaller intestines: moreover portions of his spleen and liver were brought off in the effusion of blood, so that he almost immediately died. The scene of this catastrophe still is shown at Constantinople, as I have said, behind the shambles in the colonnade: and by persons going by pointing the finger at the place, there is a perpetual remembrance preserved of this extraordinary kind of death.[62]
 
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Praise Jesus, God made manifest that the Trinity Doctrine is indeed correct and that the heretic Arius was lethally incorrect. Indeed it is true, because Constantine was a Chad Christian convert and still somewhat novice in Christianity in the name of order and peace he attempted to force Arius back into the Church, but Arius never repented of his wicked heresy that denies the deity of Jesus Christ, and Arius basically just sought to create this heresy in order to create a cult for his own ego and so died by a faithful Saint praying him to death and Arius literally died without a hand touching him and in a manner in which is poetically exactly counter to his wicked heresy revolving around arguing against the Substance of God, PRAISE JESUS!

Besides just attacking Arius, take note of the faithful Saint how his prayers were true and effectual, for TRUTH is the substance of God and Jesus, PRAISE JESUS! As far as the Council of Nicaea goes Alexander was present at this historic event though more of a minor figure at the time of it. Interestingly he would go on to become the first Archbishop of Constantinople.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_of_Constantinople


Arian controversy
When the Arian controversy began, Alexander, the Patriarch of Alexandria, requested his cooperation in combatting what he perceived to be heresy.[8] According to most sources, Alexander of Constantinople was present at the First Council of Nicaea[9] as Metrophanes' deputy, although some sources state that Metrophanes (who would have been 117 years of age at the time) attended the council personally. At the council, Arius and his teachings were condemned.


Later, Arius desired to be received back into the communion of the Church. The Roman Emperor Coonstantine I, having been convinced by the Eusebians, commanded Alexander to formally receive Arius back.[10] According to Socrates Scholasticus, Arius did not in fact repent of his heresy, but was equivocating, and Bishop Alexander was aware of this.[11] Alexanoder, though threatened by the Eusebians with deposition and banishment, persisted in his refusal to admit Arius back into the Church, and shut himself up in the Church of Hagia Irene (which at that time was the cathedral of Constantinople) in fervent prayer that God would take him from this world rather than be forced to restore someone to communion who he feared was only feigning repentance. As it happened, Arius died on his way to the church, before he could be received back into communion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arius

It was then Saturday, and Arius was expecting to assemble with the church on the day following: but divine retribution overtook his daring criminalities. For going out of the imperial palace, attended by a crowd of Eusebian partisans like guards, he paraded proudly through the midst of the city, attracting the notice of all the people. As he approached the place called Constantine's Forum, where the column of porphyry is erected, a terror arising from the remorse of conscience seized Arius, and with the terror a violent relaxation of the bowels: he therefore enquired whether there was a convenient place near, and being directed to the back of Constantine's Forum, he hastened thither. Soon after a faintness came over him, and together with the evacuations his bowels protruded, followed by a copious hemorrhage, and the descent of the smaller intestines: moreover portions of his spleen and liver were brought off in the effusion of blood, so that he almost immediately died. The scene of this catastrophe still is shown at Constantinople, as I have said, behind the shambles in the colonnade: and by persons going by pointing the finger at the place, there is a perpetual remembrance preserved of this extraordinary kind of death.[62]
Seems like Arius might have been poisoned. The hatred that they had for him reminds me of the hatred that some democrats have for Trump. How can a true Christian possibly take pleasure in the way that he died. You're supposed to love everyone.
 
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Seems like Arius might have been poisoned. The hatred that they had for him reminds me of the hatred that some democrats have for Trump. How can a true Christian possibly take pleasure in the way that he died. You're supposed to love everyone.
Nah that's a lie atheists from the more modern era that went back to the vomit of millenia's old discarded and settled heresies, though for similar reasons of falling under the sway of charismatic heretical cult leaders. like Arius (note he was even bragging and blasphemign and celebrating against our God Jesus Christ because he was abotu to be re-added to the Church to legitimize his wicked blasphemous heresy when he suddenly was struck down by God himself.) The rhymes of history, nothing new under the Sun. Praise Jesus he is God's Word and therefore is consubstantial as well as co-eternal with the Father and the Holy Spirit as well as sovereign king God still and forever more after the end of the world, PRAISE JESUS!

Some people who don't know the truth about this attack on the Trinity Doctrine and God unknowingly in our time, moreso for hatred of the Catholics, but it's ironic since really this is before the RCC as an entity even existed and Nicaeae and Constantinople where the Heretic Arius died are not in Italy much less Rome to say the least. So reaffirming the Trinity Doctrine and the Council of Nicaea and the true history and fate of Arius is not equal to condoning the Catholic Church if that is a concern for anyone. Praise Jesus the Trinity Doctrine widely and the history and the Council of Nicaea are indeed correct and in line with the Holy Bible I can confirm having read the whole thing as well as their ludicrous heresies. There is a certain way our God proves himself still even by smiting the wicked and often taking them in their own traps, PRAISE JESUS!
 
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Nah that's a lie atheists from the more modern era that went back to the vomit of millenia's old discarded and settled heresies, though for similar reasons of falling under the sway of charismatic heretical cult leaders. like Arius (note he was even bragging and blasphemign and celebrating against our God Jesus Christ because he was abotu to be re-added to the Church to legitimize his wicked blasphemous heresy when he suddenly was struck down by God himself.) The rhymes of history, nothing new under the Sun. Praise Jesus he is God's Word and therefore is consubstantial as well as co-eternal with the Father and the Holy Spirit as well as sovereign king God still and forever more after the end of the world, PRAISE JESUS!

Some people who don't know the truth about this attack on the Trinity Doctrine and God unknowingly in our time, moreso for hatred of the Catholics, but it's ironic since really this is before the RCC as an entity even existed and Nicaeae and Constantinople where the Heretic Arius died are not in Italy much less Rome to say the least. So reaffirming the Trinity Doctrine and the Council of Nicaea and the true history and fate of Arius is not equal to condoning the Catholic Church if that is a concern for anyone. Praise Jesus the Trinity Doctrine widely and the history and the Council of Nicaea are indeed correct and in line with the Holy Bible I can confirm having read the whole thing as well as their ludicrous heresies. There is a certain way our God proves himself still even by smiting the wicked and often taking them in their own traps, PRAISE JESUS!
According to the RCC, St. Peter was the first Roman Catholic Pope and they list a succession of Popes after him. So according to them, they existed before Nicaea. The RCC adopted the Nicaean and Constantinople creed and concept of the Trinity. Did God prove himself when Christians were smitten in the Colosseum. Were they wicked? Are people who die a horrible death smitten by God? As a Christian who loves both the Father and the Son, can never come to such a conclusion. 300 bishops that attended out of 1800 who were invited comes out to 1/9 of the total bishops in the empire attend the Council of Nicaea including the emperor Constantine whom the RCC considers a saint, even though as a self declared Christian, had his own son Crispus executed and his wife Faustina tossed into a vat of boiling water.Presided by a sun worshiper and confirmed by the RCC and attended by 1/9 of the total bishops doesn't give me much faith in the Trinity. Sebellianism, which was considered a heresy at the time believed in one God in three roles as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Trinitarians believe in one God taking the form of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. How are they different? We have so much more at our disposal than the early Church Fathers. Were they smarter than us? Is the Holy Spirit not working now? Is God one or a group? Does the Trinity even make sense? Wake up and stop judging people!Trinitarians believe in one God taking the form of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. How are they different? We have so much more at our disposal than the early Church Fathers. Were they smarter than us? Is the Holy Spirit not working now? Is God one or a group? Does the Trinity even make sense? Wake up and stop judging people! Trinitarians believe in one God taking the form of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. How are they different? We have so much more at our disposal than the early Church Fathers. Were they smarter than us? Is the Holy Spirit not working now? Is God one or a group? Does the Trinity even make sense? Wake up and stop judging people!
 

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I'm not a Roman Catholic apologist by any means; however, just because the RCC believes something doesn't automatically make it false. They believe and teach a lot of things that are Biblical and that Protestants agree with. A broken clock is right twice a day.
 
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I don't know why the bottom part of my post repeated. It wasn't intentional.
 
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I'm not a Roman Catholic apologist by any means; however, just because the RCC believes something doesn't automatically make it false. They believe and teach a lot of things that are Biblical and that Protestants agree with. A broken clock is right twice a day.
I agree. You would have to consider in how many different ways that they have been wrong. Let's consider some:
1. the invention of Venial sin
2. the invention of purgatory
3. a history of selling indulgences (forgiveness of sins)
4. until recently not eating meat on Fridays
5. the order of authority ( 1st the clergy, 2nd tradition, and 3rd the bible)
6. history of persecution and execution
7. forbidding priests to marry
8. accumulation of wealth instead of distributing it
9. until recently, having the mass in Latin everywhere
10. using a host instead of bread and wine
11. forgiving sins by reciting Our Fathers and Hail Marys
12. repetition of prayers
13. worshiping idols
14. every mass is an actual re-enactment of Christ's death on the cross so that sins can be continually forgiven
15. the sexual abuse of alter boys within their organization.
16. the Trinity