The Trinity Doctrine in the Bible

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GINOLJC, to all.
There is no Trinity, nor any Oneness as the UPC, and a few other teach.

if there was a trinity, question, who is the "US" and the "OUR" in Genesis 1:26? the Father and Son?

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is there three person at the Lord Jesus baptism? if so produce the scripture that says, the voice from heaven was God the Father's voice? BOOK, CHAPTER, and VERSE, please.

both verses of Scriptures, Genesis 1:26, and Luke 3:21 & 22 are debunked when it come to a trinity. or Oneness.

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GINOLJC, to all.
There is no Trinity, nor any Oneness as the UPC, and a few other teach.

if there was a trinity, question, who is the "US" and the "OUR" in Genesis 1:26? the Father and Son?

or

is there three person at the Lord Jesus baptism? if so produce the scripture that says, the voice from heaven was God the Father's voice? BOOK, CHAPTER, and VERSE, please.

both verses of Scriptures, Genesis 1:26, and Luke 3:21 & 22 are debunked when it come to a trinity. or Oneness.

PICJAG,
101G.
well, you are entitled to your opinion.

At the baptism of Jesus, we have the man Jesus who is God in the flesh as John chapter one states he is the Word. We have the voice from the heaven of the Father who is well pleased with the son who is God and we have a Prophet named John who Bared record that He saw the Spirit come upon Jesus and remain which is too God.

Now you may disagree, but please remember when approaching the internal Godhead we must speak reverently and humbly in referring to the internal Godhead. You don't fully know and nor do we. So, chill out.
 

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I just don't get it. What is so difficult about it. It does not need analogies. It is a unique, special, and wonderful relationship. "Three in One".
Sure, God gives us wisdom and understanding and i don't find it an issue but to say you understand God, or to say you know the deep things of Him, is arrogance. i take my shoes off and humbly admit i don't understand the depth and width of my Great God's power and wisdom.
He does give to us wisdom and reveals truth but can you claim that you understand how He works?

Joh 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
Joh 9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

i do understand that my God is so big that i fail to understand Him, and this does not weaken my faith but pulls me closer to Him.
 
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#47
We have the voice from the heaven of the Father
if so please post book, chapter, and verse, that say this is the Father's voice? well....

see, just don't assume anything.

PICJAG,
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well, you are entitled to your opinion.

At the baptism of Jesus, we have the man Jesus who is God in the flesh as John chapter one states he is the Word. We have the voice from the heaven of the Father who is well pleased with the son who is God and we have a Prophet named John who Bared record that He saw the Spirit come upon Jesus and remain which is too God.

Now you may disagree, but please remember when approaching the internal Godhead we must speak reverently and humbly in referring to the internal Godhead. You don't fully know and nor do we. So, chill out.
i Agree, "when approaching the internal Godhead we must speak reverently and humbly in referring to the internal Godhead. You don't fully know and nor do we. "

The important thing is to know Jesus, God will lead us and guide us into the truth, but we need to be humble.
 
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Well if you are only going to cherry-pick a few sentences out of all I said then you would be confused. What is the full context of my comments?


Here is all I said :

there are concepts in the word of God that do not give the name of them in scriptures as Example:


Trinity
Kenosis
Christophany


Yet they are clearly seen in the word of God yet not mentioned by name. The word Doctrine means teaching and there is a teaching of the Triune God in the Bible. They do not cause confusion because they are spiritually discerned.


to say it is confusing because one cannot comprehend what can not be fully understood doesn't make it confusing.

Why did you not include..rapture?
 
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Joh 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
To be found ignorant and blind is not something to brag about. You seem to want to wear it like a badge of honor? Whatever:confused:.

James
1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all [men] liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
1:8 A double minded man [is] unstable in all his ways.
 
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#51
Well if you are only going to cherry-pick a few sentences out of all I said then you would be confused. What is the full context of my comments?


Here is all I said :

there are concepts in the word of God that do not give the name of them in scriptures as Example:


Trinity
Kenosis
Christophany


Yet they are clearly seen in the word of God yet not mentioned by name. The word Doctrine means teaching and there is a teaching of the Triune God in the Bible. They do not cause confusion because they are spiritually discerned.


to say it is confusing because one cannot comprehend what can not be fully understood doesn't make it confusing.
Good point. However, the new age religion sect prays on that exact point and is used as primary reasoning for most new editions of the bible since the 1960's...with few exceptions....if any.
 
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i take my shoes off and humbly admit i don't understand the depth and width of my Great God's power and wisdom.
I'm with you also on that. if I say I know everything about God, I'm found to be a lier. now, if he reveals to me his wisdom, then I will speak what he has given me.

example, in Genesis 1:26, only ONE PERSON made man male and female, and here's his wisdom, God himself, the Lord Jesus who cannot lie said this, Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"

"he" here is GOD, one Person, just as the very next verse in Genesis 1:27 states ONE PERSON, listen, Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

"his", and "he" indicate only ONE PERSON, but God said in verse 26, "US, and "OUR". well the Wisdom of God explain this.

so is there anyone with the wisdom of God to explain why God said "US" and "OUR" in Genesis 1:26, and in the very next Verse, say, "his", and "he?" remember the Lord Jesus who made man said "HE", a single Person made man male and female..

so all of you that have the WISDOM of God please explain those verses..... will be looking for you answers.

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James
1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all [men] liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
1:8 A double minded man [is] unstable in all his ways.
this is correct, for all those who have asked for the WISDOM of God, put it to the test in Genes 1:26, 27, and Matthews 19:4.

PICJAG,
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Sure, God gives us wisdom and understanding and i don't find it an issue but to say you understand God, or to say you know the deep things of Him, is arrogance. i take my shoes off and humbly admit i don't understand the depth and width of my Great God's power and wisdom.
He does give to us wisdom and reveals truth but can you claim that you understand how He works?

Joh 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
Joh 9:40 And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also?
Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

i do understand that my God is so big that i fail to understand Him, and this does not weaken my faith but pulls me closer to Him.
He will improve your knowledge as we are ready...."it will be revealed in due time"....."some things are reserved for our Father's knowledge only"......
If God should say tomorrow, His entire plan we would exhaust ourselves in attempt to consume such amount and depth of knowledge....without doing so.
 
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John
14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
 
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John
14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
the ANOTHER" COMFORTER" is the Lord Jesus himself ... NOW in Glorification, because he was our "FIRST" COMFORTER ... in flesh. now in Spirit, the Holy Spirit.

PICJAG,
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Can anybody help make The Doctrine of The Trinity clear to those who are new to the Faith using scripture alone?

There are only 2 known verses in all of scripture that even hint at the concept of a '3-person God' who is actually 'One'.

Matthew 28:19 lists the 3 persons of the Trinity, but does not describe their relationship in any way or teach the "concept" of the Trinity at all.

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
(Mt. 28:19)
It is very significant to note that after this verse, the only baptisms that are related in detail describe baptizing in the name of Jesus or Jesus Christ. These are found in Acts 2:38 & 8:12

The other verse that comes close to describing the Trinity is Ephesians 4:4-6.

"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."
(Eph. 4:4-6)
This verse, as well, fails to teach the actual "concept" of the Trinity.

There are many pagan religions with 3-person gods which go into great detail about the 3-person relationship of their gods and the history of how they came about, but in Christianity, there is no teaching anywhere in scripture about the Trinity. The word Trinity is found nowhere from Genesis to Revelation.

There is not a single book in the 66 books of the Bible, much less even a paragraph, that teaches the actual concept of the Trinity.

So how do we teach this concept to a new inquisitive Christian who is interested in learning about it in their Bible?

If you can teach this concept using the Bible alone, please supply those books, chapters and verses for the edification of those who are eager to learn.
1st:
Scripture proclaims: The Father, Son & Holy Spirit are all God.

Jesus is God: Isa 7:14 & 9:6, Micah 5:2, Matt 1:23, Jn 1:1 & 20:28, 1 Tim 3:16 Titus 2:13 Rom 9:5 Rev 1:8.

Holy Spirit (always capitalized showing deity) is God: Ps 139:7-8, Acts 5:3-4 & 13:2, Eph 4:30, 1 Cor 2:10-11, 12:4-7, 2 Cor 3:16 & 13:14

2ndly:
Here are 2 verses I didn't see offered. My apologies if these are repeats:

2 Corinthians 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.
(MY NOTE: [1] grace Jesus [2] love of God [3] & communion of the Holy Spirit, be with you all)

DOUBLE PORTION VERSE
Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
MY NOTE: [1] the Father that raised [2] the Son [3] by the Holy Spirit that dwelleth in you. [4] the Father raised [5] the Son [6] by the Holy Spirit)
 
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#58
Post #47, and #52 still stands for anyone with the wisdom of God to explain.

PICJAG,
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John 14:16 I will ask the Father, & he will give you the Holy Spirit, to be with you forever
(MY NOTE: [1] Jesus will ask the [2] Father to give u [3] the Holy Spirit)
Good scripture, but finish it, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"
John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
"John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."

ok, two things, and then we will get to the next verses,

A. who was the other Comforter? if we're getting ANOTHER "Comforter?"

B. the Lord Jesus said, "I will not leave you comfortless".... ok, so when did he come... as "COMFORTER?".

see these are basic questions that needs to be asked.

PICJAG,
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if so please post book, chapter, and verse, that say this is the Father's voice? well....

see, just don't assume anything.

PICJAG,
101G.
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness” (Genesis 1:26). The Hebrew word here for God is Elohim. It is a plural noun that is used more than 2,700 times in the Old Testament. This means that inspired authors preferred to use Elohim about 10 times more than the singular form “El” when they described God. Even in the Old Testament book of Daniel, we see a picture of the Father and the Son as two separate persons. “I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him” (Daniel 7:13). The Son of man, Jesus, is seen coming before the Ancient of Days—who is, obviously, God the Father.

So there is at least 2.

Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

But they are One.

2 Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

i count three.....

Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

If the Holy Spirit is simply some divine force, then why is it even more offensive to blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, and even more fatal, than speaking against the Son? “Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come” (Matthew 12:31, 32 ). By definition, blasphemy is “a contemptuous or profane act, utterance, or writing against God.” By this simple deduction, the Holy Spirit must be God! This is also why Peter said that to lie to the Holy Spirit is to lie to God (Acts 5:3, 4).

Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

The Holy Spirit is not simply a force, but the third divine person of the Godhead. Though a spirit, He has all the characteristics of a person and individual. The Spirit is plainly portrayed as a being who speaks, teaches, guides, makes choices, witnesses, comforts, and can be grieved.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Act 8:29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.

When it comes to the nature of God, it is beyond comprehension. Can you comprehend how God can be everywhere at the same time? can you comprehend how God can exist out side of time? Can you comprehend how God speaks and the sun is created? i sure can't and will gladly say that i have a lot to learn. Praise God for what He has revealed to us and that we have been given Jesus Christ.