The Trinity Doctrine in the Bible

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CherieR

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that is the issue the human mind tries to make sense of the Divine Nature of God when we can not fully understand.

Oneness says only Jesus and three manifestations of Him. Yet they tell you that Jesu was talking to Himself of the Cross and the voice spoke at His baptism was that of Jesus, really? And that makes more sense? it is better for all when we admit we do not know the full understanding OF GOD. The word of God gives us a limited revelation, enough for righteous living and appropriate worship.
I know there are confusing things either way. It just makes more sense to me to see the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one and the same God. Some things I have heard about the trinity is that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are distinct but one God and also that in essence they are the same. So the character and attributes of God is the same amongst the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. If the attributes and characteristics are the same , then why not God as one person? If their is one Holy Spirit with is the Spirit of the Father, and the Spirit of the Son, why not God as one person?

I believe that perhaps in heaven I will find out if there is a trinity or not.
 

CherieR

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I don't know that it can be any clearer than "baptizing in the name of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit."
This statement is powerfully clear. Being washed and immersed in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Think about the words and what they really mean. That If you do something in a person's name you are doing it with their authority, in their stead if you will. In the old days a person with authority given by, say a king would use the king's seal to make it official, what ever was done in his name. So when you are baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, their name is the seal on your baptism. Their name is your salvation.
I’m not sure exactly what you mean.
 
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John 1:2 KJV — The same was in the beginning with God.
 

Pilgrimshope

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Can anybody help make The Doctrine of The Trinity clear to those who are new to the Faith using scripture alone?

There are only 2 known verses in all of scripture that even hint at the concept of a '3-person God' who is actually 'One'.

Matthew 28:19 lists the 3 persons of the Trinity, but does not describe their relationship in any way or teach the "concept" of the Trinity at all.

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"
(Mt. 28:19)
It is very significant to note that after this verse, the only baptisms that are related in detail describe baptizing in the name of Jesus or Jesus Christ. These are found in Acts 2:38 & 8:12

The other verse that comes close to describing the Trinity is Ephesians 4:4-6.

"There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all."
(Eph. 4:4-6)
This verse, as well, fails to teach the actual "concept" of the Trinity.

There are many pagan religions with 3-person gods which go into great detail about the 3-person relationship of their gods and the history of how they came about, but in Christianity, there is no teaching anywhere in scripture about the Trinity. The word Trinity is found nowhere from Genesis to Revelation.

There is not a single book in the 66 books of the Bible, much less even a paragraph, that teaches the actual concept of the Trinity.

So how do we teach this concept to a new inquisitive Christian who is interested in learning about it in their Bible?

If you can teach this concept using the Bible alone, please supply those books, chapters and verses for the edification of those who are eager to learn.
hello Friend , I would study the Old Testament closely Looking for things like this consodering this scripture first

“And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:8‬ ‭

so Abrahams encounter with God when he promised isaacs birth

“And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him:

and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:

And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.

And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife?

And he said, Behold, in the tent. And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭18:1-3, 5, 8-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you can finish the chapter and see the same principle of three men appearing as God speaking as one yet also operating independently but in unison of will like this part

“And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know. And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom:

but Abraham stood yet before the Lord.

And the Lord went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭18:20-22, 33‬ ‭

those two men then appear in sodom as the lord said he would go down and look upon the City . And the city is destroyed by thier word and when they speak God sends destruction

I think if we look for the hidden things in the ot now that we understand things like “ there are three that bear record the father , word and Holy Ghost and the three are one “ if we accept the revelation of doctrine then we can see that it was always so but was hidden beforehand in berses even from the beginning

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion...
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God is one but in order to express himself to us there are three distinct aspects he has shown us each necassary for salvation.
 

Nehemiah6

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If their is one Holy Spirit with is the Spirit of the Father, and the Spirit of the Son, why not God as one person?
Why not? Because God Himself has revealed the triune Godhead. So this is not a matter for speculation. You will note that it is cultists and heretics who attack the doctrine of the Trinity. Just as they attack the deity of Christ. Why? Because these are key doctrines, and if they can cause spiritual confusion (which ultimately comes from Satan) then they have accomplished their goal.
 

oyster67

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the ANOTHER" COMFORTER" is the Lord Jesus himself ... NOW in Glorification, because he was our "FIRST" COMFORTER ... in flesh. now in Spirit, the Holy Spirit.

PICJAG,
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No, Jesus does not polymorph into and out of being the Holy Spirit. Where do you dredge up such weirdness?
 

Nehemiah6

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this is how false doctrine is propagated, by saying what the bible did not say.
This is rich. If anyone is propagating false doctrine it is you. You have blatantly denied that God the Father spoke from Heaven at the baptism of His beloved Son. When that is clearly recorded. Just because the Scripture does not explicitly say "the Father's voice from Heaven" does not mean that it is false. There is much in Scripture which is implied, but you are simply here to promote your heretical doctrine.
 

oyster67

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This image contributes to the confusion of this concept. It also showcases the contradiction of the teaching with scripture. You cannot look at this image and claim that this does not illustrate 3 Distinct/Different/Separate entities ... which is heresy.

Christianity does not have THREE GODS. The Bible is very clear on the fact that there is ONE GOD. Many verses bear witness to this.

If the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are NOT eachother, but all have equal god-ness, then they are THREE gods.

There is no way around that and it is absolute Blasphemy.

The idea that the three persons of the Trinity are separate individuals is tritheism.

It is heresy. They can not be distinct (different) or else they are separate. There is no way around that.

And you cannot claim they are different ... separate ... AND the same. That is re-defining word definitions and saying 'because we said so' ... then insisting that ALL denominations believe and operate under that made-up belief.

And it WAS made-up. It was 'devised' (created/established) by the Roman Catholic Church between 100 and 325 A.D.

If you LOVE God and you LOVE The Truth, this SHOULD concern you.
There are Three that Agree in Heaven, and these three are one.

1 John
5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
 

Lafftur

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the ANOTHER" COMFORTER" is the Lord Jesus himself ... NOW in Glorification, because he was our "FIRST" COMFORTER ... in flesh. now in Spirit, the Holy Spirit.

PICJAG,
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Nope. Jesus had to go away so the Comforter would come.

There is ONE God with 3 Parts...Father, Son (Word) and Holy Spirit.

God accomplishes His Will with His Word and His Spirit....ALL 3 are GOD.

God is manifesting (making Himself known) with His Word and His Spirit.

God is manifesting in us with His Word and His Spirit....Believers are His offspring...His children.
 

oyster67

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I believe that Jesus is God. For me personally, the Oneness view makes more sense. I do not advocate for in the name of Jesus only baptism but rather baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Oneness and Threeness are both correct. The Great Deceiver wants us to believe we must pick one. He seeks to divide us.

1 John
5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
 

Lafftur

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Just let God accomplish His Work in us... Embrace our Father, embrace His Word, embrace His Spirit..... God is at work...we are His children and Jesus Christ is the Firstborn, amen!
 

Lafftur

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GOD is ONE yet, He will manifest as 3 when He is “at work”.....busy...doing something because He loves creating and loves what He creates...our Father creates with His Word and His Spirit. :love:(y)
 

Lafftur

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READ YOUR HOLY BIBLE!!! Put yourself in position for God’s Holy Spirit to accomplish God’s Word in you!!!

Understand how powerful and how you open the door to your life for God to create something wonderful with His Word and Spirit,,,,align yourself with God and His Will for you.

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!! :love:(y)
 

oyster67

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READ YOUR HOLY BIBLE!!! Put yourself in position for God’s Holy Spirit to accomplish God’s Word in you!!!

Understand how powerful and how you open the door to your life for God to create something wonderful with His Word and Spirit,,,,align yourself with God and His Will for you.

READ YOUR BIBLE!!!! :love:(y)
Reminds me of the little Sunday-School song we sing;

Read you Bible,
Pray every day,
And you'll grow, grow, grow...
Grow, grow, grow!:giggle:
 

Lafftur

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Reminds me of the little Sunday-School song we sing;

Read you Bible,
Pray every day,
And you'll grow, grow, grow...
Grow, grow, grow!:giggle:
Oh dear Oyster...you are a blessing and a wonderful brother!

Won’t we have fun together on this side and on the other side!

Space and time cannot interfere with FUN....our Father made sure we can laff and rejoice no matter our circumstance or position in space and time....

I choose to always....laff!!! It does the body good...like medicine. Lol! :sneaky::ROFL:(y)
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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Matthew 3:17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

now where do it say this is the Father's voice?

the scripture only say, "A VOICE" ... and that's where you and anyone of us should leave it.

see, you added to the Word of God by saying it was the Father's voice, when in fact the verse never say that.

just say what the scriptures say, nothing more or nothing less.

PICJAG,
101G.

You're grasping at straws to try to avoid the truth.
No one else in heaven is capable of having a son. Angels cannot beget sons. Whoever was speaking was a father.
He identified himself as a father, with the phrase "my beloved son"
 

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So it's kind of an 'Emperor's New Clothes' type of thing?

I can't'see' the Trinity Doctrine in my understanding because ... my Faith isn't great enough?
I think its not so much YOUR faith
As much as it is God will not reveal himself to you at this time
I am struggling with this idea and accept that when The LORD of my life decides to give me his
Wisdom on this then I will understand
Until then I will continue to seek him and serve as best as I can
 

Platosgal

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thanks for the thought, but JESUS is God, and he JESUS "shared" his Nature in flesh according to Phil 2:6. that's known scripture.

understand in the beginning, God let us KNOW that he is an "ECHAD" of himself, and he showed us this in creating MAN, (male and female), this is what is written in Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"

so what is know of God is in his WORD.


Jesus the Spirit took on flesh correct, and how he did that was "being the equal share of himself in flesh".

PICJAG,
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I will think on this
Thank you