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You present only scriptures buttressing your world-view.
1 Peter 1.17
And if you call on the Father, the One judging according to the work of each one without respect of faces pass the time of your sojourning in fear,
Judges 3.10
And the Spirit of Yahweh was put on him, and he judged Israel. And he went out to war, and Yahweh gave Chushan-rishathaim the king of Mesopotamia into his hand. And his hand had power over Chushan-rishathaim.
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I do as God's instructs....I use ALL of His words...going here and there;
Isa. 28
[10] For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Now let's read God's word....
1 Peter 1
[17] And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
And now let's find WHO is also called "Father" according to scripture;
Isa.9
[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
The above is NOT speaking about God the Father.
Jesus did NOT lie! God the Father will Judge NO ONE! Jesus, the God of the OT, will be the ONLY one that judges mankind!
And next......
Judges 3
[8] Therefore the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and he sold them into the hand of Chushan-rishathaim king of Mesopotamia: and the children of Israel served Chushan-rishathaim eight years.
[9] And when the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, the LORD raised up a deliverer to the children of Israel, who delivered them, even Othniel the son of Kenaz, Caleb's younger brother.
[10] And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he judged Israel, and went out to war: and the LORD delivered Chushan-rishathaim king of Mesopotamia into his hand; and his hand prevailed against Chushan-rishathaim.
So WHO was it that judged Israel? It was Othniel....with the guidance of God's Holy Spirit, or Holy angel!
And now...did you find where Jesus described just how He, the Father and the Holy Spirit/Holy angle are all one?
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Isa. 28
[10] For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Now let's read God's word....
1 Peter 1
[17] And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
And now let's find WHO is also called "Father" according to scripture;
Isa.9
[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
The above is NOT speaking about God the Father.
Jesus did NOT lie! God the Father will Judge NO ONE! Jesus, the God of the OT, will be the ONLY one that judges mankind!
And next......
Judges 3
[8] Therefore the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel, and he sold them into the hand of Chushan-rishathaim king of Mesopotamia: and the children of Israel served Chushan-rishathaim eight years.
[9] And when the children of Israel cried unto the LORD, the LORD raised up a deliverer to the children of Israel, who delivered them, even Othniel the son of Kenaz, Caleb's younger brother.
[10] And the Spirit of the LORD came upon him, and he judged Israel, and went out to war: and the LORD delivered Chushan-rishathaim king of Mesopotamia into his hand; and his hand prevailed against Chushan-rishathaim.
So WHO was it that judged Israel? It was Othniel....with the guidance of God's Holy Spirit, or Holy angel!
And now...did you find where Jesus described just how He, the Father and the Holy Spirit/Holy angle are all one?
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They are separate persons, and the person of the Father has given all judgment to the person of the Son.
No finite mind can explain three divine persons in one divine being, because it does not exist in the natural order that we might understand it.
It's not our job to explain the Infinite, our job is to believe the revelation from the Infiinite.
The three separate persons always were, and always will be, one being.
If your finite mind cannot understand it, why do you demand understanding from other finite minds?
No finite mind can explain three divine persons in one divine being, because it does not exist in the natural order that we might understand it.
It's not our job to explain the Infinite, our job is to believe the revelation from the Infiinite.
The three separate persons always were, and always will be, one being.
If your finite mind cannot understand it, why do you demand understanding from other finite minds?
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Did you know that Jesus explains exactly how He and the Father are one?
Did you know that at NO time during His explanation anything is mentioned about 3 separate persons always being "one being"?
Have you ever searched the scriptures to find where Jesus gives this explanation?
Did you know we are ONLY to use the scriptures for our doctrine?
That means if only ONE explanation is given then that is the ONLY explanation we have concerning the matter!
Jesus tells us just how He, the Father and the Holy Spirit/Holy Angel are one. And there is NO other explanation!
Pray for wisdom and knowledge and God will show you this for there is no mystery for the saints;
Col. 1
[26] Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col. 2
[2] That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
[3] In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
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Ban away than if you need to. I am not here to tell you what you believe in is faults. I came with questions. If you feel my questions are attacking your believes than do what you must.
For the record my comment was the following:
I don't feel welcome when the first message I receive is a warning simply because I don't fully understand what it is you believe in. I find it quite ironic that when someone has questions about your belief system you immediately get defensive. I also find it upsetting that so many of you find it necessarily to argue with each other and even more so that at least one of you immediately jumped to conclusions about my own belief system and tried, in very poor manner to assume they knew what church I belong to.
So Mr. Moderator, Ban away. It won't solve any thing and I certainly wont lose any sleep over it.
Again I would like to thank BibleEd for the scriptures he found for me which are the closest thing I've seen to an actual answer.
For the record my comment was the following:
I don't feel welcome when the first message I receive is a warning simply because I don't fully understand what it is you believe in. I find it quite ironic that when someone has questions about your belief system you immediately get defensive. I also find it upsetting that so many of you find it necessarily to argue with each other and even more so that at least one of you immediately jumped to conclusions about my own belief system and tried, in very poor manner to assume they knew what church I belong to.
So Mr. Moderator, Ban away. It won't solve any thing and I certainly wont lose any sleep over it.
Again I would like to thank BibleEd for the scriptures he found for me which are the closest thing I've seen to an actual answer.
If you received Jesus' revelation (Heb 1:1-2), which is the NT given through his apostles, you would see what Isa 9:6 is so plainly speaking about.
As it is, you do not receive Jesus' NT revelation, and so you are confused.
Isa 9:6 is speaking of the Son and the Father, who are one and the same divine being in two separate divine persons.
It is speaking of both the persons of the Son and the Father, who are one being.
Of course Jesus did not lie!
But if you received Jesus' revelation (Heb 1:1-2), which is the NT given through the apostles, you would know that Father and Son are two separate divine persons, with separate functions.
Those who receive Jesus' NT revelation are not confused about their separate functions.
I do not find where Jesus described how the blind received their sight, the lame walked, those who had leprosy were cured, the deaf heard, and the dead were raised, but I do find that is what Jesus said (Lk 7:22).
Likewise, I do not find where Jesus described how the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one, but I do find that is what Jesus said when he bracketed them together as the triune name (singular, not plural) of God:
"baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Mt 28:19).
I also do not find where Jesus described how the one being of God is three separate divine persons, but I do find the three persons consistently performing separate functions in the work of redemption:
1) at the beginning of redemption, in the conception of the Son (Lk 1:35),
2) in the atonement (Heb 9:14),
3) in the Holy Spirit completing the Father's work of redemption through the Son (Ac 2:38-39; all of Ro 8; 1Co 12:4-13; Eph 1:3-14, 2:13-22; 2Th 2:13; 1Pe 1:2),
4) in the only entrance into the kingdom of the Father is through faith in the Son and regeneration by the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:1-15).
The word of God does not tell us how his divine work is accomplished.
So where God makes an end to teaching, we must make an end to learning.
Ours is to receive and believe, it is not ours to go beyond what is written (1Co 4:6),
As it is, you do not receive Jesus' NT revelation, and so you are confused.
Isa 9:6 is speaking of the Son and the Father, who are one and the same divine being in two separate divine persons.
It is speaking of both the persons of the Son and the Father, who are one being.
Of course Jesus did not lie!
But if you received Jesus' revelation (Heb 1:1-2), which is the NT given through the apostles, you would know that Father and Son are two separate divine persons, with separate functions.
Those who receive Jesus' NT revelation are not confused about their separate functions.
I do not find where Jesus described how the blind received their sight, the lame walked, those who had leprosy were cured, the deaf heard, and the dead were raised, but I do find that is what Jesus said (Lk 7:22).
Likewise, I do not find where Jesus described how the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one, but I do find that is what Jesus said when he bracketed them together as the triune name (singular, not plural) of God:
"baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Mt 28:19).
I also do not find where Jesus described how the one being of God is three separate divine persons, but I do find the three persons consistently performing separate functions in the work of redemption:
1) at the beginning of redemption, in the conception of the Son (Lk 1:35),
2) in the atonement (Heb 9:14),
3) in the Holy Spirit completing the Father's work of redemption through the Son (Ac 2:38-39; all of Ro 8; 1Co 12:4-13; Eph 1:3-14, 2:13-22; 2Th 2:13; 1Pe 1:2),
4) in the only entrance into the kingdom of the Father is through faith in the Son and regeneration by the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:1-15).
The word of God does not tell us how his divine work is accomplished.
So where God makes an end to teaching, we must make an end to learning.
Ours is to receive and believe, it is not ours to go beyond what is written (1Co 4:6),
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We are God's creations, not the Creator. We are sinful human beings, not in perfect relationship with our Triune God. It is for these reasons and more that we can understand something of God's nature but not the full picture of who he is. The Trinity is a difficult concept to understand but some things you just have to let the Holy Spirit reveal to you. No amount of human reason will lead you to this Truth.
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Then you need to read, pray and ask for understanding....because Jesus clearly explains exactly how He, the Father and the Holy Spirit/Holy Angel are one. It is the ONLY explanation of how they are one in ALL of the bible!
Have you not read all of the teachings of Jesus?
Also....the Father is NOT a name! The Son is NOT a name! The Holy Spirit is NOT a name!
Do you also not know the name by which we are to be Baptized?
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Let's read what the UNRIGHTEOUS understand;
Rom. 1
[18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
[19] Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
[20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[21] Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Now if the UNRIGHTEOUS have understanding of the Godhead...should it really be a 'mystery' to God's saint?
There is no mystery for the true saints of God;
Col. 1
[26] Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col. 2
[2] That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
[3] In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
Jesus has given us an explanation concerning how He, the Father and the Holy Spirit are all one.
Most just refuse to search as instructed.....make that COMMANDED!
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I think the following covers it well:
Jesus said the blind received their sight, the lame walked, those who had leprosy were cured, the deaf heard, and the dead were raised, and he didn't tell us how (Lk 7:22).
Likewise, Jesus presented the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one, without telling us how, when he bracketed them together as the triune name (singular, not plural) of God:
"baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Mt 28:19).
Jesus presents one being of God in three separate divine persons in his NT revelation (Heb 1;1-2), when he presents the three persons consistently performing separate functions in the work of redemption, without telling us how:
1) at the beginning of redemption, in the conception of the Son (Lk 1:35),
2) in the atonement (Heb 9:14),
3) in the Holy Spirit completing the Father's work of redemption through the Son (Ac 2:38-39; all of Ro 8; 1Co 12:4-13; Eph 1:3-14, 2:13-22; 2Th 2:13; 1Pe 1:2),
4) in the only entrance into the kingdom of the Father is through faith in the Son and regeneration by the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:1-15).
The word of God tells us what is the divine work of the three persons in the one God, but it does not tell us how his divine work is accomplished.
So where God makes an end to teaching, we must make an end to learning.
Ours is to receive and believe, it is not ours to go beyond what is written (1Co 4:6).
Jesus said the blind received their sight, the lame walked, those who had leprosy were cured, the deaf heard, and the dead were raised, and he didn't tell us how (Lk 7:22).
Likewise, Jesus presented the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as one, without telling us how, when he bracketed them together as the triune name (singular, not plural) of God:
"baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Mt 28:19).
Jesus presents one being of God in three separate divine persons in his NT revelation (Heb 1;1-2), when he presents the three persons consistently performing separate functions in the work of redemption, without telling us how:
1) at the beginning of redemption, in the conception of the Son (Lk 1:35),
2) in the atonement (Heb 9:14),
3) in the Holy Spirit completing the Father's work of redemption through the Son (Ac 2:38-39; all of Ro 8; 1Co 12:4-13; Eph 1:3-14, 2:13-22; 2Th 2:13; 1Pe 1:2),
4) in the only entrance into the kingdom of the Father is through faith in the Son and regeneration by the Holy Spirit (Jn 3:1-15).
The word of God tells us what is the divine work of the three persons in the one God, but it does not tell us how his divine work is accomplished.
So where God makes an end to teaching, we must make an end to learning.
Ours is to receive and believe, it is not ours to go beyond what is written (1Co 4:6).