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Actually I will cut and paste it again, it proves the point



I repeat, neither Christ, Paul, Peter, James or John commanded anyone to believe Christ was the one true God Himself but simply, the Son of God
Nearly all of the Trinitarian ministers WILL NOT stand in the pulpit and make the pronouncements you and a few others do on this website concerning this subject and your extra biblical demands, and well over 90% of people who attend Trinitarian churches would shake their heads at the pronouncements you and a few others make on this website
 
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Athanasius provides an excellent response to Arius’ objection. First, he argues that only God can save. He states, “An essential feature of being a creature is that one requires to be redeemed. No creature can save another creature. Only the creator can redeem the creation.”27 However, according to Christian theology, Jesus is the Savior. Athanasius produced a syllogism: Only God can save; Jesus Christ saves; therefore, Jesus Christ is God (50).28 Second, Athanasius points out that Christians worship and pray to Jesus Christ. However, “Christians . . . are totally forbidden to worship anyone or anything except God himself.”29 Therefore, according to Arius and the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christians are practicing idolatry. Arius was not able to significantly refute this, nor can the Jehovah’s Witnesses today.
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mark54 said:
Your above response proves your frusatration at the position you find yourself in
I repeat, neither Christ, Paul, Peter, James or John commanded anyone to believe Christ was the one true God Himself but simply, the Son of God
Nearly all of the Trinitarian ministers WILL NOT stand in the ;pulpit and make the pronouncements you and a few others do on this website concerning this subject and your extra biblical demands, and well over 90% of people who attend Trinitarian churches would shake their heads at the pronouncements you and a few others make on this website

But I guess all of the above are wrong and a handful of you here are right:confused:
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Mark i generally only get frustrated trying to take the wrapper off my cookies.
You dont frustrate neither does my position. You annoy me tho.
 
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Good idea Abiding, much better than making your extra biblical demands, and much better therefore for you personally
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John 8:24
I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that I am he you will die in your sins.”

Vincent's Word Studies
I am he (ἐγώ εἰμι)

He is inserted in the versions and is not in the text. By retaining it, we read, I am the Messiah. But the words are rather the solemn expression of His absolute divine being, as in John 8:58 : "If ye believe not that I am." See Deuteronomy 32:39; Isaiah 43:10; and compare John 8:28, John 8:58 of this chapter, and John 13:19.
 
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Mark i generally only get frustrated trying to take the wrapper off my cookies.
You dont frustrate neither does my position. You annoy me tho.
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Oh no, you woke up

Basically I annoy you because you stand on the mind of man, not the Bible for your bottom line/. If you stood on the Bible we would be fine, and get along just dandy:eek:
 
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zone said:
Athanasius provides an excellent response to Arius’ objection. First, he argues that only God can save. He states, “An essential feature of being a creature is that one requires to be redeemed. No creature can save another creature. Only the creator can redeem the creation.”27 However, according to Christian theology, Jesus is the Savior. Athanasius produced a syllogism: Only God can save; Jesus Christ saves; therefore, Jesus Christ is God (50).28 Second, Athanasius points out that Christians worship and pray to Jesus Christ. However, “Christians . . . are totally forbidden to worship anyone or anything except God himself.”29 Therefore, according to Arius and the Jehovah’s Witnesses, Christians are practicing idolatry. Arius was not able to significantly refute this, nor can the Jehovah’s Witnesses today.
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Should i go to paltalk and grab Matt? we seem to get along pretty good. Wait hed get put on ignore in 30 seconds.:p
 
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mark54 said:
well over 90% of people who attend Trinitarian churches would shake their heads at the pronouncements you and a few others make on this website
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prove it.....
 
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Oh no, you woke up

Basically I annoy you because you stand on the mind of man, not the Bible for your bottom line/. If you stood on the Bible we would be fine, and get along just dandy:eek:
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produce your proof Jesus IS NOT GOD
 
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Do not deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise by the standards of this age, you should become “fools” so that you may become wise. [SUP]19 [/SUP]For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness”[SUP][a][/SUP]; [SUP]20 [/SUP]and again, “The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile.
 
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Oh no, you woke up

Basically I annoy you because you stand on the mind of man, not the Bible for your bottom line/. If you stood on the Bible we would be fine, and get along just dandy:eek:
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Mark i do believe i stand on the bible and am not a .......whats another word besides wimp, saying wimp wouldnt be right
hmmm ok i got it. Denier of the Truth.


​Jesus Is God!!!!!​nite mark
 
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I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
 the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”[SUP][c][/SUP] [SUP]20 [/SUP]Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?[SUP]21 [/SUP]For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, [SUP]23 [/SUP]but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, [SUP]24 [/SUP]but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. [SUP]25 [/SUP]For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. [SUP]27 [/SUP]But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. [SUP]28 [/SUP]God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, [SUP]29 [/SUP]so that no one may boast before him. [SUP]30 [/SUP]It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. [SUP]31 [/SUP]Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.”[SUP][d][/SUP]
 
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Mark i do believe i stand on the bible and am not a .......whats another word besides wimp, saying wimp wouldnt be right
hmmm ok i got it. Denier of the Truth.


​Jesus Is God!!!!!​nite mark
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Problem you got is, as Elin relntlessly stated in this thread. There is no plain scripture that states Christ is God in the entire Bible. That is what ELIN stated
 
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tomorrow we'll look at mark's old posts.
hasn't changed a bit...just meaner:)
nite mark
 
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I repeat, neither Christ, Paul, Peter, James or John commanded anyone to believe Christ was the one true God Himself but simply, the Son of God
Nearly all of the Trinitarian ministers WILL NOT stand in the ;pulpit and make the pronouncements you and a few others do on this website concerning this subject and your extra biblical demands, and well over 90% of people who attend Trinitarian churches would shake their heads at the pronouncements you and a few others make on this website

Do you and a few others on internet websites know better than the above?

Would you like to answer my question Abiding?
 
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Right Mark, He reveals it to babes! ty Lord.
 
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Right Mark, He reveals it to babes! ty Lord.
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Absolutely Abiding Amen. The truth is so simple even babes can understand it, I agree, therefore it is plainly written simple truth obvioiusly

At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.
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mark54 said:
You know, when I was a child, if I got caught poking my tongue out at anyone I got a smack, a hard smack
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Give it a try... if ya wanna see what it gets ya.:eek:
 
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