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Originally Posted by Bowman
No.
You didn't even post any Greek to begin with for comparison.
You don't know Greek.
You don't know the Trinity.
Period.
I don't know. Not only will the Trinitarian ministers not preach what some believe eternal life hinges on from the Pulpit(or hardly any would) but they don't insist their congregations read the Greek, or ancient mnanuscripts either. They just let their congregations keep reading the English translations
Some of you must be very frustrated
I have a sneaking suspicion a few of you believe you should be in the pulpit instead of your ministers who you obviously feel cannot do their jobs properly.
I wonder how full a church would be if it heard your preaching?????
You didn't even post any Greek to begin with for comparison.
You don't know Greek.
You don't know the Trinity.
Period.
I don't know. Not only will the Trinitarian ministers not preach what some believe eternal life hinges on from the Pulpit(or hardly any would) but they don't insist their congregations read the Greek, or ancient mnanuscripts either. They just let their congregations keep reading the English translations
Some of you must be very frustrated
I have a sneaking suspicion a few of you believe you should be in the pulpit instead of your ministers who you obviously feel cannot do their jobs properly.
I wonder how full a church would be if it heard your preaching?????
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Here's a fact
Well over 90% of churchgoers in Trninitarian churches will happily accept a person as a Christian if they solely believe Jesus is the Son of God(the true figure is over 95% I am sure, I but will be conservative)
Two reasons:
The first, their ministers don't tell them to believe otherwise from the pulpit
But in relation to these websites. Well over 90% of churchgoers do not study theology as many do who come onto these websites, hence they go by scripture, not the intellectual mind, and hence they would never countenance condemning anyone for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth
Well over 90% of churchgoers in Trninitarian churches will happily accept a person as a Christian if they solely believe Jesus is the Son of God(the true figure is over 95% I am sure, I but will be conservative)
Two reasons:
The first, their ministers don't tell them to believe otherwise from the pulpit
But in relation to these websites. Well over 90% of churchgoers do not study theology as many do who come onto these websites, hence they go by scripture, not the intellectual mind, and hence they would never countenance condemning anyone for standing on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth
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John 1:1: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"
John 1:14: "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us"
Acts 20:28: "Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood"
John 20:28: "And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Titus 2:13-14: "looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works"
2 Peter 1:1: "....by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ"
Psalm 18:2: "The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer; My God, my strength, in whom I will trust;"
Isaiah 45:18: "For thus says the Lord, Who created the heavens, Who is God, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited: “I am the Lord, and there is no other"
Isaiah 45:21-23: "Have not I, the Lord? And there is no other God besides Me, A just God and a Savior; There is none besides Me. “Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath"
John 8:58: "Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Not to mention, Jesus forgave sins, something only God can do.
John 1:14: "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us"
Acts 20:28: "Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood"
John 20:28: "And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Titus 2:13-14: "looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works"
2 Peter 1:1: "....by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ"
Psalm 18:2: "The Lord is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer; My God, my strength, in whom I will trust;"
Isaiah 45:18: "For thus says the Lord, Who created the heavens, Who is God, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited: “I am the Lord, and there is no other"
Isaiah 45:21-23: "Have not I, the Lord? And there is no other God besides Me, A just God and a Savior; There is none besides Me. “Look to Me, and be saved, All you ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other. I have sworn by Myself; The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness, And shall not return, That to Me every knee shall bow, Every tongue shall take an oath"
John 8:58: "Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Not to mention, Jesus forgave sins, something only God can do.
Your theological thinking is wasted ps
Though you will contionually state a person must believe Christ is God Himself untop salvation, a person is a heretic if they do not believe Christ is God, you knoweas well as I do that nearly all the ministers in the Trinitarian churches WILL NOT preach that from the pulpit. So if you are right you condemn them. But you are so BLINDLY fanatical you can't see that can you
You also state a person is damned, a heretic and will go to hell if they stand on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth. I am sorry but you are living in a fantasy world(and a dangerous one) of your own importance
So how sincere are you in your belief? Will you condemn ministers for not plainly preaching from the pulpit what to you eternal life hinges on believing? Of course you won't becasue this is not about heartfelt conviction is it, but being seen as wise before others on the internet
Sorry if that sounds harsh, but undoubteldy it is the truth. or you would have to condemn the ministers for their silence on what to you is ther core of the Christian faith and the belief eternal life hinges on believing
For we both know any minister is obligated to plainly preach from the pulpit any belief upon which eterenal life hinges
Gal1:10
Though you will contionually state a person must believe Christ is God Himself untop salvation, a person is a heretic if they do not believe Christ is God, you knoweas well as I do that nearly all the ministers in the Trinitarian churches WILL NOT preach that from the pulpit. So if you are right you condemn them. But you are so BLINDLY fanatical you can't see that can you
You also state a person is damned, a heretic and will go to hell if they stand on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth. I am sorry but you are living in a fantasy world(and a dangerous one) of your own importance
So how sincere are you in your belief? Will you condemn ministers for not plainly preaching from the pulpit what to you eternal life hinges on believing? Of course you won't becasue this is not about heartfelt conviction is it, but being seen as wise before others on the internet
Sorry if that sounds harsh, but undoubteldy it is the truth. or you would have to condemn the ministers for their silence on what to you is ther core of the Christian faith and the belief eternal life hinges on believing
For we both know any minister is obligated to plainly preach from the pulpit any belief upon which eterenal life hinges
Gal1:10
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I do not, and do mean, DO NOT, deny the Father being the ONE TRUE GOD. I do however acknowledge the fact that Jehovah was given the express permission by the Father to be called a God. If it were not so he would not have said it.
Gen 17:7 KJV - And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Gen 17:7 KJV - And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
@Mark
Jesus plainly told us to "Come unto Him" and he also told us "Before Abraham I AM."
You are fond of talking about "the plain words of Christ" but for that we need to heed all of Christ's teaching. It is unwise to ignore some of the plain words of Jesus because that makes a lie of the truth by the sin of omission.
If we fail to believe and accept those plain words of Jesus, then we are in danger of becoming a heretic and I don't want that for you Mark because I love you with Christian love.
Jesus plainly told us to "Come unto Him" and he also told us "Before Abraham I AM."
You are fond of talking about "the plain words of Christ" but for that we need to heed all of Christ's teaching. It is unwise to ignore some of the plain words of Jesus because that makes a lie of the truth by the sin of omission.
If we fail to believe and accept those plain words of Jesus, then we are in danger of becoming a heretic and I don't want that for you Mark because I love you with Christian love.
I fully agree with the emboldened, so don't know why you disagree with what I write
I say sincerely it would help if you simply fully explain your core belief of this subject. I have read some of your statements and the scripture you put forth but am not sure entirely where you stand
If I have thus far correctly understood you, the Father is supreme and greater than the Son, he is the one true God, but the Son has the title God
All of the above I completely agree with
I say sincerely it would help if you simply fully explain your core belief of this subject. I have read some of your statements and the scripture you put forth but am not sure entirely where you stand
If I have thus far correctly understood you, the Father is supreme and greater than the Son, he is the one true God, but the Son has the title God
All of the above I completely agree with
All you can do in your blind fanaticism is to ignore THE PLAIN FACTS ISN'T IT, SO I will post them again
Though you will contionually state a person must believe Christ is God Himself untop salvation, a person is a heretic if they do not believe Christ is God, you knoweas well as I do that nearly all the ministers in the Trinitarian churches WILL NOT preach that from the pulpit. So if you are right you condemn them. But you are so BLINDLY fanatical you can't see that can you
You also state a person is damned, a heretic and will go to hell if they stand on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth. I am sorry but you are living in a fantasy world(and a dangerous one) of your own importance
So how sincere are you in your belief? Will you condemn ministers for not plainly preaching from the pulpit what to you eternal life hinges on believing? Of course you won't becasue this is not about heartfelt conviction is it, but being seen as wise before others on the internet
Sorry if that sounds harsh, but undoubteldy it is the truth. or you would have to condemn the ministers for their silence on what to you is ther core of the Christian faith and the belief eternal life hinges on believing
For we both know any minister is obligated to plainly preach from the pulpit any belief upon which eterenal life hinges
Gal1:10
Though you will contionually state a person must believe Christ is God Himself untop salvation, a person is a heretic if they do not believe Christ is God, you knoweas well as I do that nearly all the ministers in the Trinitarian churches WILL NOT preach that from the pulpit. So if you are right you condemn them. But you are so BLINDLY fanatical you can't see that can you
You also state a person is damned, a heretic and will go to hell if they stand on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth. I am sorry but you are living in a fantasy world(and a dangerous one) of your own importance
So how sincere are you in your belief? Will you condemn ministers for not plainly preaching from the pulpit what to you eternal life hinges on believing? Of course you won't becasue this is not about heartfelt conviction is it, but being seen as wise before others on the internet
Sorry if that sounds harsh, but undoubteldy it is the truth. or you would have to condemn the ministers for their silence on what to you is ther core of the Christian faith and the belief eternal life hinges on believing
For we both know any minister is obligated to plainly preach from the pulpit any belief upon which eterenal life hinges
Gal1:10