The true location of the Temple in Jerusalem

[Nehemiah6]

yes st.peter says that we are temple. Jesus also said my body is the temple

Just because "temple" is used as a spiritual metaphor does not mean that a real, physical, visible Temple will not exist in Jerusalem. This is a fundamental fallacy which many Christians have adopted in order to dodge the plain meaning of Bible prophecy.

1. There will be a third Temple in Jerusalem in the relatively near future. The Antichrist will hijack this temple for his own nefarious purposes, and eventually it will be destroyed. Because it was desecrated, polluted, and made an abomination by Satan in the sight of God.

2. After the Second Coming of Christ and the establishment of His Millennial Kingdom, there will be a fourth Temple in Jerusalem -- Ezekiel's Temple. This will remain on earth eternally, just as redeemed and restored Israel will remain on earth eternally.

And by the border of Judah, from the east side unto the west side, shall be the offering which ye shall offer of five and twenty thousand reeds in breadth, and in length as one of the other parts, from the east side unto the west side: and the sanctuary shall be in the midst of it... Afterward he brought me to the temple, and measured the posts, six cubits broad on the one side, and six cubits broad on the other side, which was the breadth of the tabernacle. (Ezek 48:8; 41:1)

 

[Melach]

Just because "temple" is used as a spiritual metaphor does not mean that a real, physical, visible Temple will not exist in Jerusalem. This is a fundamental fallacy which many Christians have adopted in order to dodge the plain meaning of Bible prophecy.

1. There will be a third Temple in Jerusalem in the relatively near future. The Antichrist will hijack this temple for his own nefarious purposes, and eventually it will be destroyed. Because it was desecrated, polluted, and made an abomination by Satan in the sight of God.

2. After the Second Coming of Christ and the establishment of His Millennial Kingdom, there will be a fourth Temple in Jerusalem -- Ezekiel's Temple. This will remain on earth eternally, just as redeemed and restored Israel will remain on earth eternally.

And by the border of Judah, from the east side unto the west side, shall be the offering which ye shall offer of five and twenty thousand reeds in breadth, and in length as one of the other parts, from the east side unto the west side: and the sanctuary shall be in the midst of it... Afterward he brought me to the temple, and measured the posts, six cubits broad on the one side, and six cubits broad on the other side, which was the breadth of the tabernacle. (Ezek 48:8; 41:1)

revelation gives us apostolic interpretation of ezekiel 48~ i believe. similar language about healing leafs for nations and things. could be one and the same?

the argument isnt so much that because its used as spiritual metahor it cant happen. they say its because *God does not dwell in temples made by human hands*

i personally dont got a problem with a temple. i like beautiful architecture. so im not one of the fundamental fallacy guys

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Speaking of descriptive language, in Scripture...

English Standard Version -

How long will you waver, O faithless daughter? For the LORD has created a new thing on the earth: a woman encircles a man.”


Berean Study Bible -

How long will you wander, O faithless daughter? For the LORD has created a new thing in the land—a woman will surround a man.”


New American Standard Bible -

"How long will you go here and there, O faithless daughter? For the LORD has created a new thing in the earth-- A woman will encompass a man."


King James Bible -

How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.


Young's Literal Translation -

Till when dost thou withdraw thyself, O backsliding daughter? For Jehovah hath prepared a new thing in the land, Woman doth compass man.


Quoting Gaebelein (on Jer31:22):

"Jeremiah 31:22-26. Backsliding Israel is exhorted and the assurance is given, “A woman shall compass a man.” It refers to Israel as the woman, the timid, weak, forsaken one, who now will compass a man: that is have power given unto her to become the ruler. (Some have translated this difficult passage, “The woman shall be turned into a man.”) Then follows the promise of assurance."
--Gaebelein, Jeremiah 31 Commentary (source: Bible Hub)

[end quoting; bold and underline mine]



... reminds me of the passages speaking of their being "the head and not the tail," as well as their specific Q to Jesus in Acts 1:6 [Israel, in their future promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom].

 

[GtrPkr]

Well, that seals it... Even the Bible confirms that men are easily led!

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Heh, well I tend to agree with Gaebelein saying "It refers to Israel [not an individual person ] as the woman, the timid, weak, forsaken one, who now will compass a man: that is have power given unto her to become the ruler."

[that is, after His Second Coming to the earth, IN the MK age, after all their enemies are defeated (i.e. "the TIMES of the Gentiles" aka Neb's "image/statue" with Neb as "head of gold," representing "Gentile domination over Israel" [starting in 606bc and ending at END of trib, per Rev11:2])]

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ and that word "compass [H5437]" is the same word as is used here:

"13 So Saul died for his unfaithfulness to the LORD, because he did not keep the word of the LORD and even consulted a medium for guidance, 14 and he failed to inquire of the LORD. So the LORD put him to death and turned [G5437] the kingdom over to David son of Jesse." 1 Chronicles 10:14


and here:

"All the land from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem will be turned into [H5437] a plain, but Jerusalem will be raised up and will remain in her place, from the Benjamin Gate to the site of the First Gate, to the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the royal winepresses." Zechariah 14:10


...so it seems to me to make the best sense of the Jeremiah 31:22 verse (and its context).

 

[GtrPkr]

could Jeremiah 31:22 be interpreted this way... behold I have remade Israel anew, and the bride turns to her husband?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Not sure... I'm inclined to view it the other way, based on the following (among others):

Daniel 7:27 -
"[following the specific time period of v.25 (vv.20-21 also)] And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him."

...and Zechariah 14 (esp see vv.16-19), here: https://biblehub.com/bsb/zechariah/14.htm

 

[GtrPkr]

But Jeremiah 31 is obviously speaking of the regathering of Israel as a nation from among its enemies.

 

[Nehemiah6]

they say its because *God does not dwell in temples made by human hands*

Taking Scripture out of context is a good way to misunderstand the Bible. This is another example.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

But Jeremiah 31 is obviously speaking of the regathering of Israel as a nation from among its enemies.

Yeah, I see the Daniel 7 context referring to this (as it is parallel time-wise with Daniel 12:6-7,1 [see v.12 also], where v.1 speaks of "thy [Daniel's] people," as well as the time period mentioned in Revelation 12:6,14... Revelation 11:2... Revelation 13:5-7)... ; and I see correlation between the "IN THE NIGHT" passages of Daniel 7:7 and Jeremiah 31:26 and Genesis 46:2 [following Gen45:1 "And NO MAN STOOD WITH him, while Joseph MADE HIMSELF KNOWN unto his brethren" (like Ezek39:7!)] and [its ARRIVAL point in time] 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 (which time period will unfold upon the earth over the course of the 7-yr trib LEADING UP TO these two verses/passages I pointed out, concerning Israel

... I should mention that I believe Israel will come to faith BEFORE His Second Coming to the earth, as AT that point in time will be too late [that is, they come to faith WITHIN the trib years, AFTER our "Rapture/Departure"]). This is not to say that I don't believe the whole world will be affected, I do. I just believe it will be "faithful [remnant] Israel" IN the trib, who sends forth the Matthew 24:14[26:13] message, the INVITATION to their promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom (commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth), aka "the wedding FEAST/SUPPER [on the earth]," aka "the kingdom OF THE heavenS [on the earth]"... etc)

 

[Deuteronomy]

Lol. This always had me, Not one stone will be left standing, yet how many stones STAND on the supposed wall?

Either god lied. Or that is NOT the temple wall.

Hi Eternally-Gratefull, isn't the Wailing Wall the western wall of Herod's, not Solomon's, temple? It's also my understanding that the Dome of the Rock is not sitting where Solomon's temple was built.

Thanks!

~Deut

 

[JaumeJ]

.Hebron exists to this day, though somewhat evolved with time. It is incredible having a judge of other's here in the forum. It is ahd always has been my honor and due to stick to the Word of God, as do all who are guided by the Holy Spirit Show from the Word that the City of David is not Hebron…...

 

[JaumeJ]

Here from the Word, thagt is, from Jesus, is how the city of David began:

2Sa 2:1 And it came to pass after this, that David enquired of the LORD, saying, Shall I go up into any of the cities of Judah? And the LORD said unto him, Go up. And David said, Whither shall I go up? And he said, Unto Hebron.

Until David became king, he used Hebron as his base OF operations and his retrea. Read about it and how David moved the capital to Jerusalem. This entails readig much more than the books of Samuael to understand.

I do not, nor do I recommend others, to use man's reasearch, "discov eries, and videos as source authority for any of these new age thoughts..........The city of David has always been Hebron.

 

[GtrPkr]

 

[Deuteronomy]

..........The city of David has always been Hebron.

Hi @JaumeJ, I always thought that Bethlehem, not Hebron, was called the city of David (though they are pretty close together on the West Bank, of course). What am I missing here

Thanks!

~Deut

Luke 2​

4 Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the city of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and family of David.​

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[GtrPkr]

 

[JaumeJ]

Why run to just one of the sects under the umbrella of Judaism, a religion, group of denominations, that di not existuntil the Messiah?

These folks are stil and just as confused as their precursors, the scribes and Pharisess who understood nothing. All they have done until today ismuddle things further.

Read the Word and learn from It, for it is our Savior's direct teaching from Genesis to the final amen of Revelation.

 

[tanakh]

Why do you think there is an obsession?

Prophesy said rome would take over and destroy babylon and be far greater, When Greece was in power. Do you think people who were talking about the bible obsessed that rome would over throw Greece, even though at the time it was a nothing city or power?

Its not obsessing over some stupid temple. It is obsessing over what Gd said WILL happen. The temple only happens to be a small part of those events. Why do you obsess over the temple? When we are discusing many events which are yet to come?

This thread is the titled THE TRUE LOCATION OF THE TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM. I didn't write it or give it that title. If you look back there is not one thread on site from me about the Jerusalem temple. So how am I being obsessive about the subject?

Did God really say that a third Temple will be built with his blessing? This belief is the outcome of selective verse reading combined with imposed interpretation/opinion. The' logic'is as follows The Bible says that the abomination of desolation stands in the Holy
Place. Jerusalem's Temple was a Holy Place so there has to be a future Temple for it to stand in. The problem with this is that the
words abomination of desolation in Matthew 24 are replaced by Jerusalem surrounded by armies in Luke 21. Lukes reference is always
ignored because it doesn't fit the popular belief. The truth is that the whole city was Holy and the abomination was the Roman Army Anything that desecrates the Temple AND City was an abomination. One also has to believe that Revelation only speaks of future events that have not yet happened. It doesn't Finally the only Future Temple the NT speaks about is a spiritual one not a Physical
building.

 

[tanakh]

i have an allegorical mind.

i automatically as i read bible read it like that sometimes.

like all the language about skies opening up and birds falling and all that. i see it as non-literal because of the destruction of edom in isaiah 34. the language makes it sound like nobody survives, but in context we can see its just judgment on edom

its also in isaiah where God rides on a cloud to egypt. i dont think thats literal and didnt happen, but its judgment coming thats what it means

but i just see it that way. the people in that time spoke like that, very colorful language
i like it, they werent boring westerners.

if bible was written today it would be like this:

section A: a meteorite will land on coordinates X,Y and will cause third of the area to burn up, equaling a land area of 20m2

lolz. we would be so precise and clinical with it. like a engineering manual

Yes the Hebrew writers used a number of literary forms to get their message over. Unfortunately many fail to understand this.
Your example is a classic one. The Gods judgement on a nation is described as the Lord coming in clouds and the Sun Moon and stars falling. Jesus himself used this form of symbolism when he was tried by the Sanhedrin. He told them that they would see the son of man coming in the clouds of heaven. He was referring to Daniels vision and his ascension. He was also speaking of the judgement that would fall on Jerusalem. To take this literally makes nonsense of the passage because the Sanhedrin would all have to still be alive now and remain until the literal second coming and the end of the universe.