The Truth

[Israel]

I came across this on the internet and thought it was beautiful.

112 REASONS TO BELIEVE IN GOD'S SOVEREIGNTY
AND
THE SALVATION OF ALL

(Scriptures compiled by Elwin R. Roach)

(49 Old Testament Listings)

1) Isa 46:10
2) Dan 4:35
3) Prov 16:9
4) Prov 19:21
5) Prov 16:33
6) Psa 37:23
7) Psa 33:10
8) Psa 33:15
9) Job 5:17-18
10) Hos 6:1-2
11) Deut 32:39
12) Psa 90:3
13) Jer 18:2-6
14) Lam 3:31-32
15) Psa 102:18-20
16) Isa 2:2
17) Joel 3:21
18) Gen 18:18
19) Isa 45:22
20) Isa 45:23
21) Isa 40:3-5
22) Psa 138:4
23) Psa 72:17
24) Psa 86:9
25) Isa 52:10
26) Psa 65:2-4
27) Isa 11:9
28) Psa 66:3-4
29) Isa 19:14-25
30) Ezk 16:55
31) Psa 68:18
32) Isa 54:5
33) Psa 22:25-29
34) Psa 145:9-10
35) Psa 145:14
36) Psa 145:15
37) Psa 145:16
38) Psa 145:9
39) Psa 145:10
40) Psa 24:1
41) Isa 25:6
42) Isa 25:7
43) Isa 25:8
44) Isa 25:8
45) Jer 32:35
46) Psa 135:6
47) Isa 26:9
48) Isa 53:11
49) Gen 12:3 1) God will do ALL His pleasure
2) God's will done in heaven & earth, none can stop Him
3) Man devises, but God directs his steps
4) Man devises, but God's counsel stands
5) THE WHOLE DISPOSING thereof is of the Lord
6) The steeps of man are ordered of God
7) The LORD brings the counsel & devices of the heathen...to naught
8) God fashions ALL hearts
9) God wounds then He makes whole
10) God tears, but in the third day He heals
11) God kills & makes alive, He wounds but then heals
12) God turns man to destruction, then says return
13) God mars vessels & then remakes them
14) God will not cast off forever
15) God will loosen those appointed to death
16) ALL nations will flow to the Lord's house
17) God will cleanse blood not cleansed
18) ALL families of the earth will be blessed
19) ALL the earth commanded to look and be saved
20) Unto God ALL will bow & every tongue swear
21) Highway of God enables ALL flesh to see His glory
22) ALL kings will praise God
23) ALL nations will call Him blessed
24) ALL nations will worship God & ALL men blessed
25) ALL earth will see the salvation of God
26) ALL flesh will come to God
27) The earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord
28) Enemies will submit & ALL earth will worship
29) Egypt & Assyria will be restored
30) Sodom will be restored
31) God will lead (all) captivity captive to dwell in man
32) He will be called the God of THE WHOLE EARTH
33) ALL will remember & turn unto the Lord
34) God is good to ALL & merciful to His works
35) Raises ALL that fall & ALL that be bowed down
36) ALL wait upon God & He will give them meat in due season.
37) Will satisfy the desire of ALL living
38) The Lord is good to ALL
39) ALL Thy works shall praise thee
40) The Earth is the Lord's...and they who dwell therein
41) The Lord will make unto ALL people a feast
42) He will destroy the veil that's cast over ALL
43) He will swallow up death (ALL death) in victory
44) He will wipe away tears from ALL faces
45) Never in God's mind to pass anyone through the fire of Molech
46) The Lord did what pleased Him in heaven, earth, and the sea
47) In judgment...the inhabitants will learn righteousness
48) He shall see of the travail of His soul, and shall be satisfied
49) All families of the earth shall be blessed


(63 New Testament Listings)1) Eph 1:11
2) 1 Tim 2:4
3) John 8:29
4) 1 John 4:14
5) John 4:34
6) John 12:47
7) 1 Tim 2:6
8) John 5:36
9) John 4:42
10) John 12:32
11) Heb 7:25
12) Col 1:15
13) Col 1:16
14) Rom 5:15-21
15) 1 Cor 15:22
16) Eph 1:10
17) 1 Cor 15:26
18) Philippians 2:9-11
19) 1 Cor 12:3
20) Rom 11:26
21) Acts 3:20-21
22) Luke 2:10
23) Eph 2:7
24) Heb 8:11-12
25) Luke 3:6
26) Titus 2:11
27) Rom 8:19-21
28) Col 1:20
29) 1 Cor 4:5
30) James 5:11
31) Rev 15:4
32) 2 Cor 5:17
33) Rom 11:32
34) Rom 11:36
35) Eph 4:10
36) Rev 5:13
37) 1 Cor 15:28
38) Rev 21:4-5
39) John 5:25
40) John 5:28
41) John 6:39
42) John 6:12
43) 1 Cor 3:15
44) Mark 9:49
45) 2 Cor 5:15
46) 1 John 2:2
47) Rom 11:15
48) Heb 2:2
49) John 3:35
50) John 17:2
51) John 6:44-45
52) 1 Tim 4:9-11
53) Acts 13:47
54) Gal 3:8
55) Matt 18:11
56) Matt 18:14
57) John 1:29
58) John 1:7
59) John 3:17
60) John 6:51
61) Col 1:28
62) 2 Peter 3:9
63) 1 John 2:2

1) God works ALL things after counsel of His will
2) God will have ALL to be saved
3) Jesus ALWAYS does which pleases His Father
4 Jesus sent to be the Savior of THE WORLD
5) Jesus to do the will of God who sent Him
6) Jesus came to save ALL
7) Jesus gave Himself a ransom for ALL
8) He will finish the works He was sent to do
9) Jesus is the Savior of THE WORLD
10) Jesus will draw ALL to Himself
11) Jesus is able to save to the uttermost
12) Jesus the first born of ALL creation
13) By Him ALL things were created
14) In Adam ALL condemned, in Christ ALL live
15) In Adam ALL die, in Christ ALL live
16) ALL come into Him at the fullness of times
17) Death, the last enemy, will be destroyed
18) EVERY TONGUE shall confess Jesus is Lord (Romans 9:10)
19) Cannot confess except by THE HOLY SPIRIT
20) ALL Israel will be saved
21) Restitution (Reconstitution) of ALL
22) Jesus will be the joy to ALL people
23) His grace to be shown in the ages to come
24 ALL will know God
25) ALL flesh shall see the salvation of God
26) Grace has appeared to ALL
27) Creation freed from corruption
28) ALL reconciled unto God
29) ALL will have praise of God
30) End of the Lord is full of mercy
31) ALL Nations worship when judgments seen
32) ALL becomes a new creation in Christ
33) .ALL subjected to unbelief, mercy on ALL
34) ALL out of God, thru Him, and into Him
35) Jesus will fill ALL things
36) ALL creation seen praising God
37) God will be ALL in ALL
38) No more tears, ALL things made new
39) ALL dead who hear will live
40) ALL in the grave will hear & come forth
41) And this is the Father's...I should lose NOTHING
42) Gather up the fragments that...that NOTHING be lost
43) ALL saved, yet so as by fire
44) Everyone shall be salted with fire
45) Jesus died for ALL
46) Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD
47) Reconciliation of the world
48) He is the heir of ALL things
49) ALL has been given into His hand
50) Jesus will give eternal life to ALL that His Father gives Him
51) ALL to be taught of God and will come
52) Jesus is the Savior of ALL
53) Salvation unto the ends of the earth
54).All nations shall be blessed
55) For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost
56) Not the will of your Father...that one of these...should perish (rf. 1)
57) Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of THE WORLD
58) That ALL through him *might believe
59) That THE WORLD through him *might be saved.
60) The bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of THE WORLD
61) That we may present EVERY MAN perfect in Christ Jesus
62) The Lord is...not willing that ANY should perish (rf. 1 & 2)
63) And he is the propitiation...for the WHOLE WORLD

The word ίσως for*might is omitted in the Greek text.


Let us add that none of the scriptures listed will mean a thing to those who are not willing to concede to the truth, that is, who are Hardwired To Lie to themselves. Granted, some of these verses may seem not to be in total context of the subject matter, but looking at the whole picture they will in fact support the thought very well. In order to get a complete and balanced overview of God's great plan, which is he SALVATION OF ALL who came out of God, which is ALL, we suggest searching out all the scriptures (preferably in the Hebrew & Greek) concerning the wicked being judged, condemned forever, everlasting punishment, destroyed, etc. No doubt, there will seem to be conflicting verses, and it may involve many soul searching hours, but continue on with a genuine desire to know the truth, and with dedication and prayer until the Spirit of Christ settles it firmly in your spirit with immutable clarity.

We rejoice In the light of the above scriptures, however, never forsake the truth of God's judgments upon man's rebellion, for men must stand accountable for their thoughts, their words, and their deeds. But it is clear that God's judgments and man's torment are not forever, but age-lasting, as it is in the ancient texts. There is an end to both, else His pleasures would be frustrated and never be seen throughout all eternity. Let everyone know that God has always had a wonderful plan for every soul. Moreover, no one and no thing can frustrate it, and He will fulfill it according to His good pleasure.

Now, the challenge for those who do not embrace the truth of this matter; but they say if it is in the Bible, they believe and teach it. The above are 112 clear verses contained in the Bible. What about it? Do you believe it? If so -- will you declare it, and with joy share it to any and all, regardless of the reproach? To bring this forth will cost something; but that is often the price for truth. The Valley of Decision is a hard place; but don't abide there long, break the ties of dogma which have for ages flowed down the concrete channels of tradition lest you reason your way back to the well-beaten path, which sees God in man's image of being eternally feeble and uncaring for that which came from Him.




For more copies of this list of scriptures or other publications of ours free of charge, write to:

The Pathfinder
Elwin & Margit Roach
P.0. Box 4004
Alamogordo, NM 88311

 

[Forest]

I came across this on the internet and thought it was beautiful.

112 REASONS TO BELIEVE IN GOD'S SOVEREIGNTY
AND
THE SALVATION OF ALL

(Scriptures compiled by Elwin R. Roach)

(49 Old Testament Listings)

1) Isa 46:10
2) Dan 4:35
3) Prov 16:9
4) Prov 19:21
5) Prov 16:33
6) Psa 37:23
7) Psa 33:10
8) Psa 33:15
9) Job 5:17-18
10) Hos 6:1-2
11) Deut 32:39
12) Psa 90:3
13) Jer 18:2-6
14) Lam 3:31-32
15) Psa 102:18-20
16) Isa 2:2
17) Joel 3:21
18) Gen 18:18
19) Isa 45:22
20) Isa 45:23
21) Isa 40:3-5
22) Psa 138:4
23) Psa 72:17
24) Psa 86:9
25) Isa 52:10
26) Psa 65:2-4
27) Isa 11:9
28) Psa 66:3-4
29) Isa 19:14-25
30) Ezk 16:55
31) Psa 68:18
32) Isa 54:5
33) Psa 22:25-29
34) Psa 145:9-10
35) Psa 145:14
36) Psa 145:15
37) Psa 145:16
38) Psa 145:9
39) Psa 145:10
40) Psa 24:1
41) Isa 25:6
42) Isa 25:7
43) Isa 25:8
44) Isa 25:8
45) Jer 32:35
46) Psa 135:6
47) Isa 26:9
48) Isa 53:11
49) Gen 12:3 1) God will do ALL His pleasure
2) God's will done in heaven & earth, none can stop Him
3) Man devises, but God directs his steps
4) Man devises, but God's counsel stands
5) THE WHOLE DISPOSING thereof is of the Lord
6) The steeps of man are ordered of God
7) The LORD brings the counsel & devices of the heathen...to naught
8) God fashions ALL hearts
9) God wounds then He makes whole
10) God tears, but in the third day He heals
11) God kills & makes alive, He wounds but then heals
12) God turns man to destruction, then says return
13) God mars vessels & then remakes them
14) God will not cast off forever
15) God will loosen those appointed to death
16) ALL nations will flow to the Lord's house
17) God will cleanse blood not cleansed
18) ALL families of the earth will be blessed
19) ALL the earth commanded to look and be saved
20) Unto God ALL will bow & every tongue swear
21) Highway of God enables ALL flesh to see His glory
22) ALL kings will praise God
23) ALL nations will call Him blessed
24) ALL nations will worship God & ALL men blessed
25) ALL earth will see the salvation of God
26) ALL flesh will come to God
27) The earth will be full of the knowledge of the Lord
28) Enemies will submit & ALL earth will worship
29) Egypt & Assyria will be restored
30) Sodom will be restored
31) God will lead (all) captivity captive to dwell in man
32) He will be called the God of THE WHOLE EARTH
33) ALL will remember & turn unto the Lord
34) God is good to ALL & merciful to His works
35) Raises ALL that fall & ALL that be bowed down
36) ALL wait upon God & He will give them meat in due season.
37) Will satisfy the desire of ALL living
38) The Lord is good to ALL
39) ALL Thy works shall praise thee
40) The Earth is the Lord's...and they who dwell therein
41) The Lord will make unto ALL people a feast
42) He will destroy the veil that's cast over ALL
43) He will swallow up death (ALL death) in victory
44) He will wipe away tears from ALL faces
45) Never in God's mind to pass anyone through the fire of Molech
46) The Lord did what pleased Him in heaven, earth, and the sea
47) In judgment...the inhabitants will learn righteousness
48) He shall see of the travail of His soul, and shall be satisfied
49) All families of the earth shall be blessed


(63 New Testament Listings)1) Eph 1:11
2) 1 Tim 2:4
3) John 8:29
4) 1 John 4:14
5) John 4:34
6) John 12:47
7) 1 Tim 2:6
8) John 5:36
9) John 4:42
10) John 12:32
11) Heb 7:25
12) Col 1:15
13) Col 1:16
14) Rom 5:15-21
15) 1 Cor 15:22
16) Eph 1:10
17) 1 Cor 15:26
18) Philippians 2:9-11
19) 1 Cor 12:3
20) Rom 11:26
21) Acts 3:20-21
22) Luke 2:10
23) Eph 2:7
24) Heb 8:11-12
25) Luke 3:6
26) Titus 2:11
27) Rom 8:19-21
28) Col 1:20
29) 1 Cor 4:5
30) James 5:11
31) Rev 15:4
32) 2 Cor 5:17
33) Rom 11:32
34) Rom 11:36
35) Eph 4:10
36) Rev 5:13
37) 1 Cor 15:28
38) Rev 21:4-5
39) John 5:25
40) John 5:28
41) John 6:39
42) John 6:12
43) 1 Cor 3:15
44) Mark 9:49
45) 2 Cor 5:15
46) 1 John 2:2
47) Rom 11:15
48) Heb 2:2
49) John 3:35
50) John 17:2
51) John 6:44-45
52) 1 Tim 4:9-11
53) Acts 13:47
54) Gal 3:8
55) Matt 18:11
56) Matt 18:14
57) John 1:29
58) John 1:7
59) John 3:17
60) John 6:51
61) Col 1:28
62) 2 Peter 3:9
63) 1 John 2:2

1) God works ALL things after counsel of His will
2) God will have ALL to be saved
3) Jesus ALWAYS does which pleases His Father
4 Jesus sent to be the Savior of THE WORLD
5) Jesus to do the will of God who sent Him
6) Jesus came to save ALL
7) Jesus gave Himself a ransom for ALL
8) He will finish the works He was sent to do
9) Jesus is the Savior of THE WORLD
10) Jesus will draw ALL to Himself
11) Jesus is able to save to the uttermost
12) Jesus the first born of ALL creation
13) By Him ALL things were created
14) In Adam ALL condemned, in Christ ALL live
15) In Adam ALL die, in Christ ALL live
16) ALL come into Him at the fullness of times
17) Death, the last enemy, will be destroyed
18) EVERY TONGUE shall confess Jesus is Lord (Romans 9:10)
19) Cannot confess except by THE HOLY SPIRIT
20) ALL Israel will be saved
21) Restitution (Reconstitution) of ALL
22) Jesus will be the joy to ALL people
23) His grace to be shown in the ages to come
24 ALL will know God
25) ALL flesh shall see the salvation of God
26) Grace has appeared to ALL
27) Creation freed from corruption
28) ALL reconciled unto God
29) ALL will have praise of God
30) End of the Lord is full of mercy
31) ALL Nations worship when judgments seen
32) ALL becomes a new creation in Christ
33) .ALL subjected to unbelief, mercy on ALL
34) ALL out of God, thru Him, and into Him
35) Jesus will fill ALL things
36) ALL creation seen praising God
37) God will be ALL in ALL
38) No more tears, ALL things made new
39) ALL dead who hear will live
40) ALL in the grave will hear & come forth
41) And this is the Father's...I should lose NOTHING
42) Gather up the fragments that...that NOTHING be lost
43) ALL saved, yet so as by fire
44) Everyone shall be salted with fire
45) Jesus died for ALL
46) Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD
47) Reconciliation of the world
48) He is the heir of ALL things
49) ALL has been given into His hand
50) Jesus will give eternal life to ALL that His Father gives Him
51) ALL to be taught of God and will come
52) Jesus is the Savior of ALL
53) Salvation unto the ends of the earth
54).All nations shall be blessed
55) For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost
56) Not the will of your Father...that one of these...should perish (rf. 1)
57) Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of THE WORLD
58) That ALL through him *might believe
59) That THE WORLD through him *might be saved.
60) The bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of THE WORLD
61) That we may present EVERY MAN perfect in Christ Jesus
62) The Lord is...not willing that ANY should perish (rf. 1 & 2)
63) And he is the propitiation...for the WHOLE WORLD

The word ίσως for*might is omitted in the Greek text.


Let us add that none of the scriptures listed will mean a thing to those who are not willing to concede to the truth, that is, who are Hardwired To Lie to themselves. Granted, some of these verses may seem not to be in total context of the subject matter, but looking at the whole picture they will in fact support the thought very well. In order to get a complete and balanced overview of God's great plan, which is he SALVATION OF ALL who came out of God, which is ALL, we suggest searching out all the scriptures (preferably in the Hebrew & Greek) concerning the wicked being judged, condemned forever, everlasting punishment, destroyed, etc. No doubt, there will seem to be conflicting verses, and it may involve many soul searching hours, but continue on with a genuine desire to know the truth, and with dedication and prayer until the Spirit of Christ settles it firmly in your spirit with immutable clarity.

We rejoice In the light of the above scriptures, however, never forsake the truth of God's judgments upon man's rebellion, for men must stand accountable for their thoughts, their words, and their deeds. But it is clear that God's judgments and man's torment are not forever, but age-lasting, as it is in the ancient texts. There is an end to both, else His pleasures would be frustrated and never be seen throughout all eternity. Let everyone know that God has always had a wonderful plan for every soul. Moreover, no one and no thing can frustrate it, and He will fulfill it according to His good pleasure.

Now, the challenge for those who do not embrace the truth of this matter; but they say if it is in the Bible, they believe and teach it. The above are 112 clear verses contained in the Bible. What about it? Do you believe it? If so -- will you declare it, and with joy share it to any and all, regardless of the reproach? To bring this forth will cost something; but that is often the price for truth. The Valley of Decision is a hard place; but don't abide there long, break the ties of dogma which have for ages flowed down the concrete channels of tradition lest you reason your way back to the well-beaten path, which sees God in man's image of being eternally feeble and uncaring for that which came from Him.




For more copies of this list of scriptures or other publications of ours free of charge, write to:

The Pathfinder
Elwin & Margit Roach
P.0. Box 4004
Alamogordo, NM 88311

He is not interpreting these scriptures rightly. He is promoting that all mankind will be eternally saved. How would he explain Matt 25:41? Matt 25:46?

 

[2knowhim]

He is not interpreting these scriptures rightly. He is promoting that all mankind will be eternally saved. How would he explain Matt 25:41? Matt 25:46?

I beleive that:
This is a ever present act that is taking place everday, and in every Age.
Does He not sit on a throne, and Hasn't He been Glorified already.

This may have been directed at Israel the nation for then present,
What was about to happen, because of their rejection of their Messiah.

But is a standard thoughout the ages to come for all of us, as the faithful,
and unfaithful servants.


Mat 25:14 `For--as a man going abroad did call his own servants, and did deliver to them his substance,

Joh 16:13 and when He may come--the Spirit of truth--He will guide you to all the truth, for He will not speak from Himself, but as many things as He will hear He will speak, and the coming things He will tell you;
Joh 16:14 He will glorify me, because of mine He will take, and will tell to you.
Joh 16:15 `All things, as many as the Father hath, are mine; because of this I said, That of mine He will take, and will tell to you;


Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers;
Mat 25:42 for I did hunger, and ye gave me not to eat; I did thirst, and ye gave me not to drink;
Mat 25:43 a stranger I was, and ye did not receive me; naked, and ye put not around me; infirm, and in prison, and ye did not look after me.
Mat 25:44 `Then shall they answer, they also, saying, Lord, when did we see thee hungering, or thirsting, or a stranger, or naked, or infirm, or in prison, and we did not minister to thee?
Mat 25:45 `Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say to you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of these, the least, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'


Rev 21:8 and to fearful, and unstedfast, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all the liars, their part is in the lake that is burning with fire and brimstone, which is a second death.'


The things that go into the fire are the things that are not of
His Substance, His Nature, ....They are burned up.


1Co 3:13 of each the work shall become manifest, for the day shall declare it , because in fire it is revealed, and the work of each, what kind it is, the fire shall prove;
1Co 3:14 if of any one the work doth remain that he built on it , a wage he shall receive;
1Co 3:15 if of any the work is burned up, he shall suffer loss; and himself shall be saved, but so as through fire.

 

[Israel]

He is not interpreting these scriptures rightly. He is promoting that all mankind will be eternally saved. How would he explain Matt 25:41? Matt 25:46?

Will God's will be done or is man's will stronger?

 

[Israel]

It saddens me how our nature is to condemn instead of showing mercy.

A man could die in the slums of Chicago a sinner and "unsaved" as most would have it. He never even saw the best chicago had to offer let alone a beautiful place like hawaii! Now will he burn forever having not even experienced such a place as paradise even here on earth?

Jesus lost no one! How many do you say He lost?

 

[luciddream1982]

Mat_7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

 

[Israel]

Mat_7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Jesus lost not one soul that the Father gave Him correct? All that the Father had was given to Jesus correct? God said all souls are His!

There are few who find life indeed, but Jesus didn't come for them. He came for the MANY who could not find it.

Luke 19:10

10For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

Life came to find them!

 

[luciddream1982]

Jesus lost not one soul that the Father gave Him correct?

Exept that son of perdition, who is Judas. And its talking specifically about his apostles, not the whole world.

Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

 

[2knowhim]

Exept that son of perdition, who is Judas. And its talking specifically about his apostles, not the whole world.

Joh 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

Judas represents the nature in all of us before we are born again.
Just who do you think the man of sin is?

Remember when we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

But with the Brightness of His coming, and the Spirit of His mouth,
The man of sin, the son of peridition was revealed, and we repented.
One nature died, and the other was born.

 

[luciddream1982]

Judas represents the nature in all of us before we are born again.
Just who do you think the man of sin is?

Remember when we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

But with the Brightness of His coming, and the Spirit of His mouth,
The man of sin, the son of peridition was revealed, and we repented.
One nature died, and the other was born.

Ok, explain how the rich man in these verses is saved when the bible says this, Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:


Luk 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
Luk 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
Luk 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

 

[2knowhim]

Ok, explain how the rich man in these verses is saved when the bible says this, Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:


Luk 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
Luk 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
Luk 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
Luk 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
Luk 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Luk 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
Luk 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
Luk 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
Luk 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luk 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

I believe that this is a parable meant against the Prieshood, the unfaithful servant, or uprofitable servant.

Notice the colors are a discription of the Priests Garments.
Lazarus speaks of the Gentiles, and the New Priesthood in Christ. 1Pet.2:9

The Lord was very deliberate in choosing this name for two reasons.
One, Lazarus to the Jews meant Eleazar Aarons Son, the levitical Priesthood under Moses.
Two, Eleazar was also Abraham's Servant that was Faithful, and was a Gentile.
Gen. 15:2, 3 You will also find a strange connection when you read it because this
servant was from Damascus, the very place Paul would be converted and called to be
a minister to the Gentiles.

God knew they would reject His Son, and The kingdom would be given to the Gentiles.

This is the Hell that is displayed, it is NOT to be taken Literally as such.
Abrahams bosom is used because they claim to be of their Father Abraham,
But Jesus told them if you were of Abraham they would know who He was.

The phrase "desired the crumbs that fell from there masters table" is speaking of the Gentile nations, that desired what Israel had, all the blessings. We who was far off are
made nigh by the blood.

These five brothers that are mention here, Is from the line of Judah, and he did have five brothers. Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, and Zebulun. Gen 35:23

Jesus told them also, that they would see those coming from the east, west, north and south sitting in the kingdom and they themself cast out. Luke 13:26-29

Questions to ask yourself if you don't think this is a parable.

Why was the Rich man praying to Abraham and not God?
How could one drop of water be sufficeint for someone who was in a literal fire,
I mean it would probably evaporate before it did any good don't ya think?
How could crumbs be sufficeint for a man to survive?
How could someone that was in this kind of torment that most teach on this today,
possible carry on a conversation, if it is literal?

Oh yeah, one last thing on the Gulf fixed, to the Jews this was well Known to be the
Jordan, their whole history was based on the fact they had to cross over Jordan to get
to the promise land Canaan. To them the Jordan meant dying, and Redeemption.

Again leaving the old behind them, and on to the New.
So this Parable that Jesus taught they got it, they knew very well who it was addressed to.

Blessings

 

[2knowhim]

Oops,

I reread my post and where I say "the line of Judah" should be "in reference to Judah"

I also didn't commit on the rest about the one rising from the dead but I think
that pretty much speaks for itself, This was none other than our Lord.

And of course they didn't hear.