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Can you at least, see that Jesus is eluding to the two witnesses in this passage?
Mat 20:21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.
Mat 20:22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
Mat 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
I think Chuck would has heard some of his ideas were daffy... From his critics, and he is not detoured. Nor will I be.
But thank you anyway. You are helping me more than you realize.
Peace
Mat 20:21 And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.
Mat 20:22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
Mat 20:23 And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
I think Chuck would has heard some of his ideas were daffy... From his critics, and he is not detoured. Nor will I be.
But thank you anyway. You are helping me more than you realize.
Peace
You have to wait until HE calls you to the table...none of us is "worthy" to sit at his left or his right.
Who are we? We are nothing and we have NOT suffered as many have for THE NAME...
In fact, HE already knows who will suffer for HIS NAME...therefore, those who are seated on thrones to His Left and His Right are those whom HE has already prepared in advance and already foreknows.
We will drink from HIS CUP...for all who are called into the FAITH which is in CHRIST have drunk from HIS CUP...but to sit on the left or right????
How can we even think that we could possibly even know who will suffer like HE suffered for us.
Don't you understand that Paul already eluded to this when he said, that I should attain to a better resurrection?
And you want to suggest that the two witnesses are left and right of CHRIST?
Where is the HOLY SPIRIT and THE FATHER?
Now separate from THE SON?
How is THAT possible?
It isn't.
The spirit is invisible
The Father is SPIRIT
CHRIST is the visible image of the Invisible GOD.
By whose spirit then is CHRIST seated on HIS THRONE?
HIS OWN?
Then where is THE FATHER'S SPIRIT for what you are implying is that there are two HOLY SPIRITS in HEAVEN.
But that is NOT TRUTH...
THE SON said of HIMSELF that HE and the FATHER are ONE.
He who has seen ME has seen THE FATHER
(in fact, HE even sounds exasperated when HE has to explain this to Philip again!)
And if the FATHER is SPIRIT and THE SON is the visible image of THE FATHER made manifest, by whose SPIRIT did CHRIST have authority to show/reveal/declare/manifest/teach THE FATHER?
And now GOD has to resend HIS SPIRIT again?
This overshadows the HOLY SACRIFICE and bypasses CHRIST as if GOD'S FIRST WORK was not sufficient.
IT IS SUFFICIENT...
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When HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way....IS...THE HOLY SPIRIT, who while HE is in the world (though not of THE WORLD,(just as those who have been called up and gathered already in CHRIST JESUS are not of the world), convicts the world of sin...by HIS WITNESSES who testify by THAT WITNESS in them (who IS THE HOLY SPIRIT).
But when HE is taken out of the world...then evil will run rampant...then will nothing be held back.
For, while GOD'S SPIRIT has been in the world, HE holds all things back from both believer and unbeliever...for if HE did not hold all things back, we would all have been totally consumed.
We have no understanding of GOD'S GRACE, HIS EVERYDAY GRACE upon all men.
But when "THE HEDGE" is removed...men will either see and understand....or will look up curse/blame THEIR GOD and their KING and be cast into utter darkness.
But when HE is taken out of the world...then evil will run rampant...then will nothing be held back.
For, while GOD'S SPIRIT has been in the world, HE holds all things back from both believer and unbeliever...for if HE did not hold all things back, we would all have been totally consumed.
We have no understanding of GOD'S GRACE, HIS EVERYDAY GRACE upon all men.
But when "THE HEDGE" is removed...men will either see and understand....or will look up curse/blame THEIR GOD and their KING and be cast into utter darkness.
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Take a look at one of the parables
The one about the wicked tenants
You will find it in Mark 12 and in Luke 20
Allow me to paraphrase
A rich land owner planted a vineyard. He had to go away for a while.
So, he rented out the vineyard. At the time of the harvest he sent some of his servants to collect his due.
But the tenants beat some and some they killed. (These were the prophets)
This really happened!
Then the master of the vineyard thought: What shall I do? I will send my dear son, surely they will respect him.
But the wicked tenants got together and said; this is the heir, come let us kill him, so they did. (This was Jesus)
This really happened!
Since in both of these instances REALLY HAPPENED, what is said would happen next? That the son would come back to life
at a later time and have his revenge? No it doesn't say that, now does it? Does it say that the fruit from the vineyard would
be raptured away? No it doesn't say that either, now, does it?
So what does it say will happen?
The master of the vineyard( The Father) will come, and destroy those wicked tenants and give the vineyard to others.
This is REALLY GOING TO HAPPEN!
PLEASE tell me where I went wrong in interpreting this parable?
The one about the wicked tenants
You will find it in Mark 12 and in Luke 20
Allow me to paraphrase
A rich land owner planted a vineyard. He had to go away for a while.
So, he rented out the vineyard. At the time of the harvest he sent some of his servants to collect his due.
But the tenants beat some and some they killed. (These were the prophets)
This really happened!
Then the master of the vineyard thought: What shall I do? I will send my dear son, surely they will respect him.
But the wicked tenants got together and said; this is the heir, come let us kill him, so they did. (This was Jesus)
This really happened!
Since in both of these instances REALLY HAPPENED, what is said would happen next? That the son would come back to life
at a later time and have his revenge? No it doesn't say that, now does it? Does it say that the fruit from the vineyard would
be raptured away? No it doesn't say that either, now, does it?
So what does it say will happen?
The master of the vineyard( The Father) will come, and destroy those wicked tenants and give the vineyard to others.
This is REALLY GOING TO HAPPEN!
PLEASE tell me where I went wrong in interpreting this parable?
Does it really matter that much to you to be right?
Could you ever entertain the idea that you just might be wrong?
Or is your Pride greater then the Love of God and His Truth?
Examine yourself and ask yourself why is this so important to you that you are willing to create strife in the body of Believers?
Are you doing the Will of the Father or are you doing your will by teaching what you want to believe?
Could you ever entertain the idea that you just might be wrong?
Or is your Pride greater then the Love of God and His Truth?
Examine yourself and ask yourself why is this so important to you that you are willing to create strife in the body of Believers?
Are you doing the Will of the Father or are you doing your will by teaching what you want to believe?
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Badger,
what do you make of CHRIST fulfilling all of the Law which was against us?
I think we live by faith in the righteousness of the savior. THE GOOD SHEPPARD
I think the law was put in place in order to convict us of sin. I think that, part of the reason for the sacrificial laws was to
show the sinner, the cost of sin. But mostly to see that the animal (without spot or blemish) was a type or model of Gods sacrifice.
The children of Israel never understood that. In fact that is what I am trying to get everyone to understand with this thread.
I would encourage you to do a bible study on the different offering sacrifice. As misnik5 has stated they were a shadow of spirit principles, he says all about Jesus. I say Jesus and the two witnesses. Notice what is done with the blood.
what do you make of CHRIST fulfilling all of the Law which was against us?
I think we live by faith in the righteousness of the savior. THE GOOD SHEPPARD
I think the law was put in place in order to convict us of sin. I think that, part of the reason for the sacrificial laws was to
show the sinner, the cost of sin. But mostly to see that the animal (without spot or blemish) was a type or model of Gods sacrifice.
The children of Israel never understood that. In fact that is what I am trying to get everyone to understand with this thread.
I would encourage you to do a bible study on the different offering sacrifice. As misnik5 has stated they were a shadow of spirit principles, he says all about Jesus. I say Jesus and the two witnesses. Notice what is done with the blood.
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This is not about my pride VDP. You think it is. I get that. Yes I do, but we are about to enter a time like no other. I think we are
About to see things that are beyond belief. This is not a game to me! I do think that the teaching of the pre- trib rapture is a sleeping pill to keep those that believe in it from preparing for what is coming. Christianity is under attack, and the time is coming when many who claim to be followers of Christ will fall away. So you better know what you believe! I am preparing to be tested, to see what I am made of. I am suggesting that you do the same. Study the bible diligently. I have been at it 40 years. Put on the full armor of God. If I was lying to you, I would be telling you relax, take it easy you've got it made. God is going to fly you away so you wont have to see it.i am here to wake you up! YOUR GONNA SEE IT. God will protect us and be our shild and fight the battle, but you better know His voice. Don't be stiff necked like they were coming out of Egypt. A storm is coming and I'm giving you the weather forecast. It's not a game! I'm trying to stir you up because that's what I believe Jesus would do. Who is listening?
Stand fast, don't desert your king. He will rein forever and we will rein with him, if we do not deny Him. Praise to the KING OF KINGS AND THE LORD OF ALL
About to see things that are beyond belief. This is not a game to me! I do think that the teaching of the pre- trib rapture is a sleeping pill to keep those that believe in it from preparing for what is coming. Christianity is under attack, and the time is coming when many who claim to be followers of Christ will fall away. So you better know what you believe! I am preparing to be tested, to see what I am made of. I am suggesting that you do the same. Study the bible diligently. I have been at it 40 years. Put on the full armor of God. If I was lying to you, I would be telling you relax, take it easy you've got it made. God is going to fly you away so you wont have to see it.i am here to wake you up! YOUR GONNA SEE IT. God will protect us and be our shild and fight the battle, but you better know His voice. Don't be stiff necked like they were coming out of Egypt. A storm is coming and I'm giving you the weather forecast. It's not a game! I'm trying to stir you up because that's what I believe Jesus would do. Who is listening?
Stand fast, don't desert your king. He will rein forever and we will rein with him, if we do not deny Him. Praise to the KING OF KINGS AND THE LORD OF ALL
2Thesselonians 2 is sufficient.
Those who heard the GOSPEL preached and did not have a love for the TRUTH will not have a second chance at believing...because there will be such a delusion sent that they won't be able to...
That is, when HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way.
And evil will run rampant and man can do as he pleases...since during that time there will be no one to convict man of sin...
Those who heard the GOSPEL preached and did not have a love for the TRUTH will not have a second chance at believing...because there will be such a delusion sent that they won't be able to...
That is, when HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way.
And evil will run rampant and man can do as he pleases...since during that time there will be no one to convict man of sin...