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ColinCat, The following statement I am about to make is sincere, as well as the question at the end.
If you would like to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior it can happen right hear, right now. I can walk you through it. The other believers on the thread will be praying.
If you feel convicted of your sins...need peace...it is available right now.
Is this something you want to do?
Joseph
If you would like to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior it can happen right hear, right now. I can walk you through it. The other believers on the thread will be praying.
If you feel convicted of your sins...need peace...it is available right now.
Is this something you want to do?
Joseph
K
To the contrary, I have read the bible from cover to cover many times over. It is the study of my life, which is why I reject the false doctrine of eternal torment, which completely maligns the character of God. I could supply far more words from scripture which you must deny to continue your beleif, than I would have to ignore to believe as I do. You may think I am dumb as rocks if you wish of course, I understand and feel similar sentiments towards those who would worship a God who will miraculously keep countless of billions of people alive throughout the endless ages of eternity, so He could torture them.
I consider worshiping such a being the equivalent of being dumb as rocks as well.
I consider worshiping such a being the equivalent of being dumb as rocks as well.
K
Christ alone has experienced real death for sinners. No one is dead yet. Many sleep, but they will all rise unto judgment and reward or condemnation. There is no everlasting punishment, there is only punishment and or reward with everlasting consequences. We have been given a literal example of eternal fire in the scriptures. It does not burn forever, it destroys that which it burns with eternal effect.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
I posted before I saw where you stated you have already accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior. As you know this means you have eternal salvation (through Christ) and live each day in service to Him (as your Lord). And since Jesus (the Word), God, and God's Spirit (the Holy Spirit) have always been together and are One and will never be separated, this raises a concern for your issue with God sending people going to Hell after judgment.
None of the believers, including myself, are here to judge you. But this issue is something that you need to get squared away for your own quality of life in Christ, by knowing and accepting Truth.
Would you agree?
If so, let's work through it.
None of the believers, including myself, are here to judge you. But this issue is something that you need to get squared away for your own quality of life in Christ, by knowing and accepting Truth.
Would you agree?
If so, let's work through it.
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Your straw men arguments don't hold any water.
Sin is what separates us from God. In Hebrew, it means "missing the mark." So if at any time in your life, you even slightly missed the mark, maybe yelled in anger, got mad at your parents, were jealous, etc, etc, you have "missed the mark."
That is the trouble with unbelievers, they have some arbitrary standards, and do not understand what the Bible really says about sin, repentance and deliverance (salvation!)
"the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: [SUP]23 [/SUP]for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, [SUP]24 [/SUP]and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus," Romans 3:22-24
Justified means "made right" by God. In Greek, the words justified and righteousness are from the same root.
As for your kind atheist with the orphanage, God will judge him for rejecting him or not by his works. We are not saved by works, because our works are simply not good enough!
"We have all become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment.
We all fade like a leaf,
and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away." Isaiah 64:4
As for that sinner who burned down the orphanage, if he called himself a Christian and burned down the orphanage, I would say, "Not so much!" If he truly repented and turned to Christ some time after, yes, he would be saved from his sins.
Next time, use some real life examples, if you want to illustrate your posts. If you can actually find something real, instead of these hypothetical straw men you keep coming up with!