The unpardonable sin

teresacollie · Aug 7, 2015

Hi everyone. I'm new to the group and I would like your opinion on something. 22 years ago I met a nice Christian man. After dating him a bit, I got a check in my spirit and later on the Holy spirit quickened two scriptures to me. The general idea of what I thought God was saying was to present my life as a living sacrifice to Him, set aside the relationship and run the race HE had for me. I was going through some very scary things in my life at that time and I didn't want to lay the relationship down and lose this friend, even tho I KNEW he wasn't the one for me. I ended up marrying him as he was transferred to another state and I had to chose. I told the Holy Spirit what I was going to do and went the other direction of His leading and to be honest, married a man that I didn't believe was for me. I feel like I've lived a lie all these years and I haven't been able to come in peace to God. It's been so many years that I don't feel like I'm saved anymore. I feel like I committed the unpardonable sin. Hebrews 10:26 talks about the willful sin. (being enlightened and sinning anyway) I am seeking God again, but I have one minute of peace and days of fear and agitation. People tell me that I should just forgive myself. It isn't that, trust me. It's total fear that I have no hope now. My faith to "really believe" that I am saved is missing...

teresacollie · Aug 7, 2015

*He got transferred to a different state while we were dating and had to move suddenly. I married him and moved with him.

BenFTW · Aug 7, 2015

Do you believe in Jesus? Do you believe he died on the cross and resurrected on the third day for your sins? If you answered both of those with a yes, then you are a child of God. Now that that is taken care of, lets move on to your supposed disobedience and going your own way. When we sin we grieve the Holy Spirit because he knows the consequences of such actions, even to our disobedience. He isn't grieved as if we have offended a holy God, but because He cares for our well being. He had a plan for you, according to you, and you then chose to do otherwise.

Basically, you chose the valley of shadow of death as is said in the psalms. However, realize the Lord didn't place you there, but you decided to take a detour from His plans. That being said, the Word says He goes in with you to protect you, to give you an escape. So don't think you've been alone all these years. The Holy Spirit still resides in you, if indeed you believe in Jesus Christ and have been born again as a result. When you suffer, He suffers. He takes no pleasure in the pain of His children. You went against His plan and went your own way, but don't think for a moment He will forsake you. You are His daughter, forevermore. A child of God.

Your hope is in Jesus. His blood cleanses you from all sin. You may have walked in disobedience and there are consequences to that as I am sure you can share from the reality you walked in going your own way and not the Lords. In a sense, the punishment for disobedience is in itself the path you chose that was outside of the Lord's will because you lost out on what He wanted for you, at that time. Surely you still have a purpose. He still can use you and has plans to prosper you. You are a part of the body of Christ, essential as any other part. He will not reject your repentance, He welcomes such with open arms as the prodigal son.

Your confidence is in Jesus Christ. You did wrong but thank God Jesus did right and has imputed his righteousness to you. Stand strong in Jesus, rest in Him. Learn about His grace and His blood. You were in the wrong and wish to make amends. Do you think the Lord is with a hard heart? No, if anything you went astray and can now get back on His path for your life.
Disobedience has consequences, not just for oneself but even those that you were supposed to touch within His will. So in that disobedience you didn't just hurt yourself, but others. For all you know, it could've cost a person their healing, their hearing of the Gospel sooner than later, their deliverance from oppression and so many other scenarios you were meant to minister into.

What you need to focus on is the fact that you are back. You desire to do His will. You want to walk in the path that He has set before you. That path hasn't disappeared. You can still walk in His plans for your life from this moment forward. Do it. Ask Him to reveal what His will is for you now. Walk it out. Keep in mind, however, that you walking it out is not your assurance of salvation, but that assurance is in Jesus Christ and his finished work. Praise God, give him the glory and let your confidence reside in Him.

wattie · Aug 7, 2015

I'm sorry that you have been through that experience.

on the unpardonable sin-- there have been other threads on this if you want to dig around and look, but..

In particular when Jesus was talking about blasphemy of the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven men.. the people being addressed were the Pharisees.

These were Jewish unbelievers who were thinking they were righteous by works of the Law.

This is completely contrary to what Jesus wants for believers.. who are might right by Him.. and the works of the flesh have no power to do anything other than resist the Holy Spirit.

These unbelievers were attributing Jesus' power to the devil! They were completely denying Him.

So what they were effectively doing is denying salvation from Jesus to begin with.. not that they ever had it to begin with.

So 'blasphemy of the Holy Spirit' is something believers cannot do.. since they do in the beginning, accept Jesus as their saviour.

Now has for the Hebrews 10 verses.. same thing.. go have a dig for this in the forums.. it has been well covered.

What i will say is that the context of Hebrews 10 isn't about Jesus' payment for sin.. but animal offerings. So 'no more sacrifice for sins' is about the fact--

A saved person.. if they fail in their walk.. can't go back to the Old Testament way of service and offer up an animal sacrifice to please God.

See.. the context is of Jewish, Hebrew believers being admonished to continue in the NT church system of service and not to go back to practicing the OT Law.. seeing as it had been put away.

So look.. if you were born again to begin with.. it is not now your belief in Jesus that keeps you saved.. it is Jesus' commitment to you that will keep you saved.. and He promised eternal life to you the moment you were born again.

There is a difference between the faith that got you saved to begin with and the faith of walking with Jesus daily.

Justification to begin with.. sanctification afterward. Sanctification doesn't get you eternal life.

Rely on the Word.. not emotional experience.. the heart is deceitful. I know.

teresacollie · Aug 7, 2015

Wow. Thank you Ben. That is profound and so encouraging. I do believe in Jesus and yes I have received Him as Lord. I have repented and I am seeking Him. I feel the consequences, just like you said. They weigh heavily in many ways. But I will keep in mind what you have said in my pursuit of Him now. Thanks again.

teresacollie · Aug 7, 2015

Thank you too Wattie. I will do some digging in the forums tomorrow.

atwhatcost · Aug 7, 2015

teresacollie said:

Hi everyone. I'm new to the group and I would like your opinion on something. 22 years ago I met a nice Christian man. After dating him a bit, I got a check in my spirit and later on the Holy spirit quickened two scriptures to me. The general idea of what I thought God was saying was to present my life as a living sacrifice to Him, set aside the relationship and run the race HE had for me. I was going through some very scary things in my life at that time and I didn't want to lay the relationship down and lose this friend, even tho I KNEW he wasn't the one for me. I ended up marrying him as he was transferred to another state and I had to chose. I told the Holy Spirit what I was going to do and went the other direction of His leading and to be honest, married a man that I didn't believe was for me. I feel like I've lived a lie all these years and I haven't been able to come in peace to God. It's been so many years that I don't feel like I'm saved anymore. I feel like I committed the unpardonable sin. Hebrews 10:26 talks about the willful sin. (being enlightened and sinning anyway) I am seeking God again, but I have one minute of peace and days of fear and agitation. People tell me that I should just forgive myself. It isn't that, trust me. It's total fear that I have no hope now. My faith to "really believe" that I am saved is missing...

There was this guy that God told to go to the big city of his mortal enemy and preach God. The guy took the nearest ship to go the exact opposite way to avoid doing that. Good story. Read the Book of Jonah.

teresacollie · Aug 7, 2015

Atwhatcost, Basically Jonah was held captive in a dark place until he decided to obey God. Its very scary. Lynn, I don't understand your response. There are so many opinions on blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and what it is. I see it this way (and I may be wrong): Jesus was directing it at the Pharisee's who were accusing him of healing by the power of the devil. But here is the deal - they knew he was healing by the power of God as it was right in front of them and they denied it and reviled the holy spirit. Jesus said all other sins would be forgiven (no matter how great the sin), but not this (denying the Holy Spirit) sin. The Holy Spirit is the one who leads us to Him, causes us to be reborn in Him and lives in us, convicting and leading. He is the deposit until the redemption. In researching this, I have read that the reason this is the unpardonable sin is because if we reject the Holy Spirit (not the same as resisting and grieving), and refuse the conviction (the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit) it's basically telling God that you are NOT going to follow Him. We have free will, even after we are saved. At that point of rejection, the Holy Spirit leaves and you can't get "born again" twice. I am convinced that I was given direction for my life at that time and I purposely chose to go another direction. I ran away from my life at a very bad time. I didn't want to be alone in it. But I knew I was going against the conviction. It felt terrible and dark and yes, I did walk into the valley of the shadow and I've been there ever since. No Holy Spirit sweetness, no conviction of sin, no desire to walk with God. Everything felt disjointed. I have been hiding from God. I sought Him with all of my heart again about 8 months ago (to get to the bottom of this) and I feel in my heart that I "walked away from Him" irrevocably at that point. The impression in my heart is deep, it isn't an emotion. I knew, therefore I am accountable. I willfully walked past the conviction and did the opposite. That is a horrible rejection of the Holy Spirit. I went somewhere that He told me not to go and its profound. That is walking away, and I feel that I did it. There is an unpardonable sin. 1 John 5:16. (speaking of the brothers in Christ, not unbelievers)

ladylynn · Aug 7, 2015

teresacollie said:

Hi teresacollie Welcome to CC. You can't go back and change the fact you married this nice Christian man who is now your husband. Since he is your husband and has been for 22 years you can run the race now from where you are by honoring the covenant of marriage. I totally agree with Ben and Wattie. God is not condemning you and although you may not have been in God's perfect will at the time you are now married and can honor God by honoring your husband and loving him and being the best wife you can be. That will be God's perfect will now for you. And remember God can take our mess and make it our message. He can restore us and He does every day.

Our salvation is something that Jesus has secured for us and because of His redeeming us, we are no longer condemned with the world. And Jesus has taken the penalty for your sin on His body. Accept that anew with a grateful heart and move forward in your marriage with a renewed commitment to God.
Do not allow the devil to take this marriage and destroy it by using unfounded feelings of guilt to cause you to sin against your husband and yourself and God. You can be happy and joyful in your marriage and free from all this condemnation you have been carrying for so long. The enemy enjoys tormenting us with our emotions. Then when we find out we are not condemned it is amazing how everything changes.

Receive the gift of NO condemnation and walk in freedom. Hebrews 10:26 is talking about rejecting Jesus sacrifice for our salvation. Like brother Ben said. And because when you accepted Jesus as your Savior, you have Jesus righteousness and are free to step forward in the freedom Christ bought for you. No more condemnation., we have the gift of no condemnation in Christ. The reason we have no peace is because we receive the condemnation of the enemy. The truth is there is therefore now no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus.
Our sins have been forgiven and forgotten as far as the east is from the west.

These truths are in the Bible but if we don't know them we can't walk in them. So the Bible says "and you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free" John 8:32 The truth will set us free when we accept it and believe it. If we don't believe it we will not be set free even though it is clearly there for us.

Read the promises of God in the Bible about no condemnation. John 1:17 "The law was given by Moses but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ." Receive again that grace that is unmerited favor to us.
The Lord is merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in mercy...He has not dealt with us according to our sins, nor punished us according to our iniquities. For as the heavens are high above the earth, so great is His mercy towards those who fear Him; as far as the east is from the west, so far has He removed our transgressions from us. Psalm 102:10-12 Jesus sealed that promise for us.

He does not give us what we deserve, He gives us mercy and grace. That is the gospel.

The Bible says to press toward the mark of the high calling of God. Forgetting those things which are behind.... Phil. 3:13,14 Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet;, but one thing I do..FORGETTING WHAT LIES BEHIND and reaching forward to what lies ahead. I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

We all have made mistakes and sinned and the Bible gives instruction on how to move on after.

sydlit · Aug 7, 2015

[size=+1]I did the same thing, but no one has taken me seriously, or I get similar, anecdotal (but well meaning) advice. There's got to be an answer for folks like us. I know neither you or I WANT to reject Jesus forever, or spend eternity in hell, but really, does anybody. I just wonder if it's too late. I know there's nothing we can do for our salvation, so it's either all of God or ...what, I don't know. Did He save us?! If I say yes, am I being presumptuous, since I rejected Him when He was calling, but if I say no, well then. So how do we solve this dilemma?! I'm with you, sister...God be with us both. For Jesus' sake, in Jesus' name. Amen.[/size=+1]

atwhatcost · Aug 8, 2015

teresacollie said:

Jonah wasn't spit out until he wanted to do God's will. He wanted to do it though. That's the important distinction. In the end, are we trusting God? God didn't give up on Jonah when Jonah went the other way. God didn't even give up on him when Jonah pouted after God brought home Ninevah. (Exactly why I like Jonah. He had more than one temper tantrum, but God never gave up on him. Jonah reminds me of me. I've walked away a couple of times too. Still couldn't give up on God though. He's too real to ever believe he's not.) God didn't give up on you when you went the other way. And, apparently you didn't give up on God either, or this wouldn't bother you.

Blasphemy is rejecting God permanently. You haven't.

You're not the first prodigal daughter. You're not the last. You're still his daughter, until you permanently refuse to come home. Granted, you reap all the consequences of that bad decision, but it's not the same as being rejected. Go home. Stop thinking you're bigger than God. He's been waiting for his runaway to return home. Return home. That simple.

atwhatcost · Aug 8, 2015

sydlit said:

The advantage of knowing God does the saving and not us. He never unsaves anyone he saves.

Saved is a one time act. Already done. Those whom he did it for aren't all saved yet. But once saved, that's that. The rest of the walk is sanctification. That should be that we are always seeking God's will in us. The three of us have something in common. We've walked away. So what should be isn't always what is. BUT God is present in all this too. He waited for Jonah. He really pressed in on Jonah. Jonah really never had any choice, but in the end he changed his mind and wanted God's choice. (Same thing he did or is doing to us.) What's the diff? Isn't this the end of us walking away? Don't we want God? Are we so cocky we think we can be too bad for God? He's the one with the power. All we can do is repent and return home. The only thing that really stops us is we're too proud. That is as much sin as walking away.

BarlyGurl · Aug 8, 2015

teresacollie said:

This isn't the unpardonable sin, but IF you specifically ignored the HS and went your own way.... do you think that God somehow changed his mind about it... over the 22 years? My concern is that you are now 22 years into a life that YOU believe could have been different and are now seeking an excuse to divorce <so study of marriage might be good for you>.... so If I were in your shoes... I would dive into the word of God...study and even go on a fasting sabbatical for a week to SEEK HIS FACE about WHAT is really going on in your heart and what God desires for you, to come from this issue you are having.

teresacollie · Aug 8, 2015

You all have been so wonderful. Thank you!!! I love the encouragement. In addition, I see God's work in each of you. It's beautiful. I'm so glad that I joined the group. Good night!

shineyourlight · Aug 8, 2015

It's not the unforgivable sin. Or at least the studies I've done on it.

Listen to BenFTW. He seems like he knows what he's talking about in all his posts

teresacollie · Aug 8, 2015

Babygurl, I'm not looking for a divorce. That's the least of what is on my heart. I'm sincerely looking for God and no I don't think that God changed His mind about anything. I fully realize that my problem is the same as it was 22 years ago. Fasting is a good idea and one that I've been thinking about. In addition, I realize that there might be other things that He wants to show me as well and I am totally open to those.

BenFTW · Aug 8, 2015

shineyourlight said:

If its biblical, glory to God. He came up with it. lol

teresacollie · Aug 8, 2015

Babygurl, I'm not looking for a divorce. That's the least of what is on my heart. I'm sincerely looking for God and no I don't think that God changed His mind about anything. I fully realize that my problem is the same as it was 22 years ago. Fasting is a good idea and one that I've been thinking about. In addition, I realize that there might be other things that He wants to show me as well and I am totally open to those.

shineyourlight · Aug 8, 2015

BenFTW said:

Haha, yes, it's all biblical

It was something I had thought I had committed when I wasn't a Christian and so I studied it in the Bible just to get something haha.

StevieJ · Aug 8, 2015

Is the church of acts not in operation today?

satans a liar and will attack you at every oppertunity YOU give him.

he cant stand you. All your battles are in the mind. all the lies he tells you are in the mind,

none of you have commited the unpardonable sin none. In order to offend the Holy Spirit you must first have seen and done the works of the Holy Spirit and then call Him a liar, by denying Him. You cant offend God and you cant offend Jesus, you will be forgiven for both of these offences.

SO how to deal with this simple for all of you in an unforgiven mindset.

satans a liar and a sneaky little weasle with no power none little bloody ferret is what he is and nothing shall harm you.
God is truth and gives you every spiritual gift. And God is truth .
When you start to call satan on his lies with the truth of God he will flee, weasels always flee,cowards always run away when confronted. I love calling him out. Its easy.

So you are bombarded with accusations day and night that you offended the Holy Spirit. and we know hes a liar.
Heres the deal flip it and you have the truth, hes a liar so flip it. You never offended the Holy Spirit, None of you have .

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