The vanishing male

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Gideon300

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I've watched the destruction of America and part of the fault as I see it are the churches - they're not leading. 501C probably had a lot to do with it. But I've seen a disturbing trend of lack of male leadership. Look at the tyranny that has come to America. Where are all the men opposing it? Is this really how you believe God designed men to be?

We can see the great falling away but we can also see the vanishing male. Why are there so few pastors and men opposing it? I'd like to see others' take on this.
I get in trouble when I say that the greatest mistake the Western world made was to give women the vote. I'm only partly kidding. God created woman to be man's helper. Satan convinced women that they could outdo men. Whatever God's will and purpose is, Satan is determined to undermine it. Now we are seeing children rising up in rebellion and disrespect. This is evil. How can anyone be so dumb as to listen to lectures by an autistic teenager, who knows nothing of the real world? "Stop it!" is not a plan to solve the world's environmental issues. A parrot could be trained to say that.

Now we have God's plan to create male and female under attack. In some countries (Canada for one), it is illegal to try and talk a child out of changing gender. The World says, "Believe the science." Except when it comes to gender. It is insanity.

Men have been worn down. The US especially is a matriarchal society. It's a great myth that men are some kind of privileged species who domineer women. Go to the department store. Check out the floor space devoted to women's clothes, accessories, jewelry and cosmetics. It swamps the area set aside for men's clothes. Then there is the space devoted to kids stuff. And who drives the spending on children's stuff? Women.

The "golden rule" in the world is whoever has the gold, makes the rules.

The education system, which was supposedly biased against women, continually runs down boys. So it turns out men who are ashamed to be male. The church has been infiltrated by the world, so again women are assumed to be inherently superior. I've watched this rot set in over the last 50 years. If it were of God, the church would be stronger and more Christ like than ever. It's not.

This is not an anti female rant. My circle of friends has dimished as I've got older. My dearest friend is a lovely lady who is a great help and encouragement. She knows Jesus and when she prays, God answers. She is bold, praying out loud for me in hospital. The doctor who was there at the time confessed that the prayer was answered to the letter. I treasure her as my sister and fellow worker in the Lord. But she has a place in the body that is not the same as mine. She is not looking to dominate and control. And that is why God is able to use her to His glory.
 

shittim

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During ww2 juvenile delinquency was high in America, dad was in the service, mom was working to support the war effort and family, young men had less supervision and guidance. We have done the same by two parent working families.
 

p_rehbein

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The disease may be brought by the socialist liberalism, but the blame for this disease eroding the foundation of the Church lies sole with the Church.

No on can force the men and women of the Church to turn from God, no person, movement, or Government..........

The Church has stood silent since the attacks began (in earnest) in the early 60's and watched as the servants of the deceiver destroyed the Christian foundation of our Government and Schools was founded on.

Looking for blame? Look in a mirror.

2 Chronicles 7:14
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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That is true. So what can we do about it?
The problems seem to start in childhood. It is known that boys are falling behind in education. There is obviously something
stacked against them in educational institutions (suprise!?) Another reason for home-schooling I suppose, if you can afford it.
 

Lanolin

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I am looking at it from a different perspective since I dont live in america.

This happens the world over and is a consequence of the world wars wiping out able men in the prime of their life. Women have had to step up where the men left to go fight and kill each other. Women were doing all the jobs that men were doing when they were away...they had to!

Its not necessarily because they even wanted to. When the world is at war, the population suffers loss. Thankfully it hasnt come to the stage where women are scrapping and fighting each other, but in the job market, which has now become global, everyone is trying to undercut the other, and of course the countires with bigger poplulations, like for example China have an edge by sheer size of the labour force. Hence they can make things cheaply, often in sweatshop conditions.

This has happened because of industrialisation, which many people actually welcomed at the time.
 

shittim

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the day after Thanksgiving here is the U.S. is called" Black Friday " when women shoppers head to the malls and shop for Christmas, it is akin to the worst carnage one can imagine, the Battle of Hastings, Waterloo, Borodino, the Mongol Hordes laying waste to Europe......
Hell hath no furry...
 

ResidentAlien

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Here's a video that's quite a hoot. Emma Stark, on her "Warrior Women" show, completely mistranslates Genesis 2:18 which says: "Then the Lord God said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.' "

By the time she's done, Genesis 2:18 now says: "It's not good for man to be alone; I will give him a warrior, I will give him a protector."
She goes on to say, "helpmate and helper has practically nothing to do with it." (Starts @ 22:19)

When men fail to be men, this what you end up with.

 

montana123

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Here's a video that's quite a hoot. Emma Stark, on her "Warrior Women" show, completely mistranslates Genesis 2:18 which says: "Then the Lord God said, 'It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper fit for him.' "

By the time she's done, Genesis 2:18 now says: "It's not good for man to be alone; I will give him a warrior, I will give him a protector."
She goes on to say, "helpmate and helper has practically nothing to do with it." (Starts @ 22:19)

When men fail to be men, this what you end up with.
Help

êzer
ay'-zer
From H5826; aid: - help.

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Even if she wanted to believe it means warrior, protector, how does she escape this.

Many people do not care about reality, and do not play fair, and want to be like the people they have belittled, and the people they were disgusted by and did not like their behavior.

This world is motivated by arrogance and self exaltation and they will lash out at people that are above them all the while wanting to be like them and above them.

Women have been belittling men for years and did not like they took a lead role and did not like their dominance and arrogance, and then the women do the same and become like them.

That does not make sense.

They cry about the men and then want to be like them and above them.

Like people that are poor cry about the rich but want to be rich themselves.

This world is a trip that people will belittle people when they are above them for whatever position that might be and then want to be like them and be above them.

People say oh those men, oh those women, oh those black people, oh those white people, but they act the same and want the same.

They cry about the men and then want dominance above them which they are wanting the very same thing they were crying about but they just don't want the men to be above but they want to above for that is the operation of the world.

Oh don't control us but we want to control you.

Don't tell us what to do but we want to tell you what to do.

Don't be above us but we want to be above you.

And all that if women ran the world the world would be better is all a bunch of crap for I believe it would be worse for women will probably go against their enemies without mercy more than men.

I really would not want a world controlled by women.

The biggest prophet of the new age movement is a woman and the new age movement will deceive the world to follow the antichrist, New Age Christ, which billions of people will die.
 

ResidentAlien

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Help

êzer
ay'-zer
From H5826; aid: - help.

Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Even if she wanted to believe it means warrior, protector, how does she escape this.
It's a convoluted grasping at straws. The word ezer comes from azar. In the video she says the book of Joshua especially brings out the true meaning of ezer. The only reference in Joshua where either ezer or azar is used is in Joshua 1:14. It says:

"Your wives, your little ones, and your livestock shall remain in the land which Moses gave you beyond the Jordan, but you shall cross ahead of your brothers in battle formation, all your valiant warriors (gibbor), and shall help them (wa·a·zar·tem)."

What she's saying is since Joshua 1:14 says the warriors will "help," this shows that azar is related to gibbor.

Like I said, it's desperate; but it's safe to say her target audience won't be troubled to look into it.
 

CS1

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#31
I've watched the destruction of America and part of the fault as I see it are the churches - they're not leading. 501C probably had a lot to do with it. But I've seen a disturbing trend of lack of male leadership. Look at the tyranny that has come to America. Where are all the men opposing it? Is this really how you believe God designed men to be?

We can see the great falling away but we can also see the vanishing male. Why are there so few pastors and men opposing it? I'd like to see others' take on this.
501c has nothing to do with it. it is the breaking down of the family.

the church divorce more than the world the and the dead beat dad's who caused single mothers to a parent who has embraced the government as the daddy of the child makes Bastards of young men who have no Father image. Then they attack what men are and redefined it as to be something other than a man because of toxic masculinity which is a false narrative. As the family goes so goes the church. That is why God has to come soon because we are on the road of no return. Most of the young people today are emotionally bankrupt and unable to think of what to do to use basic survival skills.

We have weak and wimpy kids. They need the god of government to help them. Yet many will not even defend the very country that gave them everything. WE will be overthrown by China and other countries.
 

proverbs35

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The word translated as helper in Genesis 2:18,20 is the Hebrew term EZER Strong's H5828. It means to succour, aid.

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/5828.htm

Helper (EZER, Strong's H5828) is one of God's names. It is used to describe God in the verses below:

Blessed are you, Israel!
Who is like you,
a people saved by the Lord?
He is your SHIELD and HELPER
and your glorious sword.
Your enemies will cower before you,
and you will tread on their heights.
Deu 33:29

We wait in hope for the Lord;
he is our HELP and our SHIELD.
Psalm 33:20

All you Israelites, trust in the Lord—
he is their HELP and SHIELD.
House of Aaron, trust in the Lord—
he is their HELP and SHIELD.
You who fear him, trust in the Lord—
he is their HELP and SHIELD.
Psalm 115:9-11

One of the primary functions of the Helper (Ezer, Strong's H5828) is to shield. Shield is a military term.

https://biblehub.com/hebrew/4043.htm

But as for me, I am poor and needy;
come quickly to me, O God.
You are my HELP and my DELIVERER;
Lord, do not delay. Psalm 70 :5

Another function of the Helper (Ezer, Strong's H5828) is to deliver.

God named his human female creation after himself. God's name is Helper (EZER Strong's H5828). God made and called women Helper (EZER Strong's H5828) in Genesis 2:18, 20.

Helper (EZER Strong's H5828) means to succour, aid. According to Deuteronomy and Psalms, the Helper (EZER Strong's H5828) fuctions as a shield and deliverer.
 

saintrose

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If TV treated women today the same way they teat men, the howl of anger would reach the depth of the kingdom below. The end result of radical feminism has been destruction of masculinity and termination of feminine modesty and decorum. It has created the very thing it railed against at the beginning.
Yes it seems like women have gotten masculine and men feminine. That was Satan's plan.
 

saintrose

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In order to have a one world government and religious system, and the new age movement where all are equal and will evolve to be equal spiritually they must knock down the men and boost the women.

They must knock down the heterosexuals and boost up the homosexuals.

They must knock down the religious and boost the atheists.

They must known down the parents and boost the children which they loved the 1960's counterculture movement and the rebelliousness of it.

They must put all people on an equal level in hope that all people will eventually come together as one.

The new age movement is the plan now that interprets the Bible and religions according to evolution and people are still evolving to be spiritual.

That is why they took prayer out of school and taught evolution although they will say it was for a different reason.
Very insightful. It's the antithesis of all God lays out in His Word.
 

saintrose

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501c has nothing to do with it. it is the breaking down of the family.

the church divorce more than the world the and the dead beat dad's who caused single mothers to a parent who has embraced the government as the daddy of the child makes Bastards of young men who have no Father image. Then they attack what men are and redefined it as to be something other than a man because of toxic masculinity which is a false narrative. As the family goes so goes the church. That is why God has to come soon because we are on the road of no return. Most of the young people today are emotionally bankrupt and unable to think of what to do to use basic survival skills.

We have weak and wimpy kids. They need the god of government to help them. Yet many will not even defend the very country that gave them everything. WE will be overthrown by China and other countries.
I believe 501c had something to do with it because it prevents pastors from teaching on sin. But I do agree with everything you said. The government has become daddy and men are being attacked for naturally masculine traits that God built into them - which is such an abomination. What this is doing to the psyche of these youth I'm afraid to know.

Yes the family institution has been badly attacked. I think the best thing we can all do is throw the TV out - as that's where poison is being pumped daily into our homes. It got to the point where I would get nauseous listening to the lies from the media so I canceled our cable and swore off TV. I miss watching a western now and then but overall I'm glad I did it.

Public schools were taken over by the illuminati and these kids today have no chance.

World War 3 was planned many years ago so I expect that will happen between China/ Russia and America. Our military has been broken down and we have no representative government. Terrorists are flooding into the country and it's only a matter of time before they commit an act of violence.

When we were at the airport a group of obnoxious foreigners were talking and joking very loudly and I saw that they have no love for America - yet they're here. Why?

Where are American men??? Why aren't they opposing this???

I just feel rather hopeless about the country and our future. Although I know God knows it all and I've prayed many times because I see these things and feel as if I'm doing what I can but not many others are. Only mass involvement will turn this around and I'm not seeing it.

Sons of Liberty Media is very strong on acting in the face of wrong and I agree with them.
 

shittim

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The last page tells us God wins, we must keep our focus on Him and pray without ceasing His perfect will be done, and keep on being His hands and feet for good works.
He is never late.
Please don't let the devil steal your hope and peace.
 

MatthewWestfieldUK

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From what I have seen, the families that earn a lot of money tend to have the mother work less. She Focuses the attention on raising the children especially in the early years.
However the cost of housing in Britain means that most couples have to work extra long hours in order to avoid housing in the more deprived parts of the city. So the children become neglected and the role of the woman is stretched wider than ever before. Any loving man will also so do more to balance the workload in the home.
But but males still need to understand the emotional needs of a woman where the husband should not be a friend but the lead of the home, her rock, and her lover.
Even after 10 years of the Conservative Party the values of the country are still focused on money not the improvement of culture.
Greed rules and the poor get told they are just lazy.
 

montana123

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I believe 501c had something to do with it because it prevents pastors from teaching on sin. But I do agree with everything you said. The government has become daddy and men are being attacked for naturally masculine traits that God built into them - which is such an abomination. What this is doing to the psyche of these youth I'm afraid to know.

Yes the family institution has been badly attacked. I think the best thing we can all do is throw the TV out - as that's where poison is being pumped daily into our homes. It got to the point where I would get nauseous listening to the lies from the media so I canceled our cable and swore off TV. I miss watching a western now and then but overall I'm glad I did it.

Public schools were taken over by the illuminati and these kids today have no chance.

World War 3 was planned many years ago so I expect that will happen between China/ Russia and America. Our military has been broken down and we have no representative government. Terrorists are flooding into the country and it's only a matter of time before they commit an act of violence.

When we were at the airport a group of obnoxious foreigners were talking and joking very loudly and I saw that they have no love for America - yet they're here. Why?

Where are American men??? Why aren't they opposing this???

I just feel rather hopeless about the country and our future. Although I know God knows it all and I've prayed many times because I see these things and feel as if I'm doing what I can but not many others are. Only mass involvement will turn this around and I'm not seeing it.

Sons of Liberty Media is very strong on acting in the face of wrong and I agree with them.
The Illuminati and the new age religion is of the occult and like the mystical Phoenix bird that after 200 or more years is consumed in fire and out of its ashes rises a new Phoenix bird America too will collapse and out of its ashes will rise the beast kingdom.

They have it planned out for America to collapse.

I seen pictures of grade school children meditating new age religion style with the finger to thumb technique sitting on top of their desk.

We cannot turn it around because God said He is going to gather the nations together to rebel against Him so He is giving them their way for a certain amount of time but we can try to save as many as possible.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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#39
The last page tells us God wins, we must keep our focus on Him and pray without ceasing His perfect will be done, and keep on being His hands and feet for good works.
He is never late.
Please don't let the devil steal your hope and peace.
Yes!
Not so much the vanishing male but the appearing of the victorious one. The King of Righteousness!
 

shittim

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The adversary attacks the Created order always has, he can create nothing, in these last of the last days he is pulling out all stops.
bless you Lucy, we always appreciate "seeing" you.