The Virgin Birth.

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phil36

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Doe's the Virgin birth signify anything to us about the incarnation and to God's plan? Why is the Virgin Birth important, or is it important and why?
 
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The human race comes from the first ADAM...his nature is fallen and corrupt (sinful) Jesus came after the similitude of sinful flesh...

ADAM and JESUS were the same in the essence of the body that they possessed...both were righteous, without sin but having the ability to be tempted and fall..

Adam fell and brought SIN
JESUS held strong, never sinned and brought the righteousness of God back to man<--by faith
 
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Part of the reason that the virgin birth is needed because of the mystery of iniquity which is in the blood. This "sin" is passed down to man through the blood.

The baby has it's own blood supply and it does not get it's blood from the mother. The Holy Spirit conceived Jesus in Mary's womb and thus Jesus' blood was spotless without being tainted by the parasite called "sin" which we have as man-kind.

This parasite is still in our bodies - in our flesh as Paul talks about in Romans 7:14-23 There is a law of sin in our bodies.

That is why we have the circumcision of the heart where our heart - the new creation in Christ is cut away from the flesh where the law of sin is. Col. 2:11 This is where the Holy Spirit seals us from our flesh ready for the day of redemption when we get new bodies.

The understanding of the circumcision of the heart and flesh is paramount IMO to growing in Christ. It's the start of the knowing about the new creation in Christ which the virgin birth eventually bought for us.

The blood of Jesus needed to be spotless so that He could obtain eternal redemption through His blood - the forgiveness of sins. Behold the Lamb of God which takes away the sin of the world.

This is why the "virgin birth" is a necessary solid doctrine for the believer in Christ.

1 Peter 1:18-19 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers,

[SUP]19 [/SUP] but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ.
 

phil36

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Part of the reason that the virgin birth is needed because of the mystery of iniquity which is in the blood. This "sin" is passed down to man through the blood.

The baby has it's own blood supply and it does not get it's blood from the mother. The Holy Spirit conceived Jesus in Mary's womb and thus Jesus' blood was spotless without being tainted by the parasite called "sin" which we have as man-kind.

This parasite is still in our bodies - in our flesh as Paul talks about in Romans 7:14-23 There is a law of sin in our bodies.

That is why we have the circumcision of the heart where our heart - the new creation in Christ is cut away from the flesh where the law of sin is. Col. 2:11 This is where the Holy Spirit seals us from our flesh ready for the day of redemption when we get new bodies.

The understanding of the circumcision of the heart and flesh is paramount IMO to growing in Christ. It's the start of the knowing about the new creation in Christ which the virgin birth eventually bought for us.

The blood of Jesus needed to be spotless so that He could obtain eternal redemption through His blood - the forgiveness of sins. Behold the Lamb of God which takes away the sin of the world.

This is why the "virgin birth" is a necessary solid doctrine for the believer in Christ.

1 Peter 1:18-19 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers,

[SUP]19 [/SUP] but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ.

That's an interesting point grace777, but I don't think that it is our blood that makes us sinners? Good answer though.
 
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That's an interesting point grace777, but I don't think that it is our blood that makes us sinners? Good answer though.
I agree....it's not the blood itself - it's what is in our bodies passed down through Adam. We were sinners because of "sin" that is in us.

It gets activated with the preaching of Law. Without the shedding of blood there is no remission for sins. It seems spotless blood is needed for forgiveness of sins. Life is in the blood.

We needed the virgin birth so that the blood of Jesus would be spotless and untouched to begin with. It's hard to believe that some try to deny the virgin birth. We know the author of that nonsense...:)

The gospel of the grace of God in Christ will leave us in awe and in wonder - not at Adam's sin and it's power to "taint" us - but at Christ's power to "saint" us.

The virgin birth is a core doctrine of the true Christian faith in Christ's work.
 

trofimus

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Doe's the Virgin birth signify anything to us about the incarnation and to God's plan? Why is the Virgin Birth important, or is it important and why?
a) He could be totally without sinful nature only without a human father.

b) He could not be the Son of God if He would have both human father and mother.
 
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jaybird88

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The human race comes from the first ADAM...his nature is fallen and corrupt (sinful) Jesus came after the similitude of sinful flesh...
i thought the nature of Adam was good. made in the image of the Most High and on completion of mankind "it was very good".
 
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i thought the nature of Adam was good. made in the image of the Most High and on completion of mankind "it was very good".
Go back and read everything I wrote.....serious!

The human race comes from the first ADAM...his nature is fallen and corrupt (sinful) Jesus came after the similitude of sinful flesh...

ADAM and JESUS were the same in the essence of the body that they possessed...both were righteous, without sin but having the ability to be tempted and fall..

Adam fell and brought SIN

JESUS held strong, never sinned and brought the righteousness of God back to man<--by faith
 

notuptome

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i thought the nature of Adam was good. made in the image of the Most High and on completion of mankind "it was very good".
It was until Adam defiled himself by sinning. If Jesus had been born by natural birth He too would have been defiled according to the flesh. Hence the necessity of the virgin birth. Lucifer still hates the undefiled nature of Christ and will for all eternity.

For the cause of Christ
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Doe's the Virgin birth signify anything to us about the incarnation and to God's plan? Why is the Virgin Birth important, or is it important and why?
Perhaps the Lord wished Jesus's appearance on earth wouldn't appear to be the result of a sexual act.
 
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FreeNChrist

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Doe's the Virgin birth signify anything to us about the incarnation and to God's plan? Why is the Virgin Birth important, or is it important and why?
"All right then, the Lord Himself will give you the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call Him Immanuel (which means ‘God is with us’). Isaiah 7:14


 

Zmouth

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Perhaps the Lord wished Jesus's appearance on earth wouldn't appear to be the result of a sexual act.
Well, the man and his wife shall be one flesh....

Matt 19:4-54 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

How did Adam know that a man shall leave his father and mother, having neither himself, unless maybe the Spirit and the Word are the procreators of the soul?
 
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jaybird88

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Go back and read everything I wrote.....serious!

The human race comes from the first ADAM...his nature is fallen and corrupt (sinful) Jesus came after the similitude of sinful flesh...

ADAM and JESUS were the same in the essence of the body that they possessed...both were righteous, without sin but having the ability to be tempted and fall..

Adam fell and brought SIN
JESUS held strong, never sinned and brought the righteousness of God back to man<--by faith
ok i get you, his original created nature wasnt fallen and sinful until later

brought the righteousness of God back to man<--by faith
i never got this, mankind as a whole doesnt look to righteous to me. very destructive.
 
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ok i get you, his original created nature wasnt fallen and sinful until later



i never got this, mankind as a whole doesnt look to righteous to me. very destructive.
The righteousness of Christ applied by faith<---brought the righteousness of God back to man<--by faith
 

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Doe's the Virgin birth signify anything to us about the incarnation and to God's plan? Why is the Virgin Birth important, or is it important and why?
Because it signifies that Jesus who did not have a human dad is not inherit the sin nature from the ancestor of all humans Adam..

The body of Jesus came about by the Power of the Holy Spirit.. And for this reason he was called the Son of God.. And the perfect sinless Lamb of God who would be sacraficed on the day of passover as an atonement offering for all mankind forever..
 

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Doe's the Virgin birth signify anything to us about the incarnation and to God's plan? Why is the Virgin Birth important, or is it important and why?
For one, it is prophesy- something like that don't happen every day, or ever again- and is therefore proof that He is the foretold Christ. For two, if she got pregnant by a man it would not be a miracle, it'd be fornication.
 
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Ariel82

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Luke 3
the son of Adam, the son of God.
 
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Ariel82

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Mary had Adam's & Eve's blood in her.
 
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Well, the man and his wife shall be one flesh....

Matt 19:4-54 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

How did Adam know that a man shall leave his father and mother, having neither himself, unless maybe the Spirit and the Word are the procreators of the soul?
I didn't say there is anything wrong with a husband and wife having physical relations, but apparently the Lord preferred the birth of Jesus not be the result of physical relations.
 

Zmouth

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I didn't say there is anything wrong with a husband and wife having physical relations, but apparently the Lord preferred the birth of Jesus not be the result of physical relations.
Didn't mean to imply that you were saying there was, I apologize if it gave you that impression.

However, since it is written that the
LORD said, "My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh;" then how could it not be the result of physical relations if the LORD, the God of heaven above the earth benearth was his biological father?

The reproductive cell of the female doesn't just spontaneously fertilize itself, that would be more indicative of evolution since it was ordained from the beginning that male and female shall be fruitful and multiply.






 
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