The Whole Armour of God

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Can we get back to the Armour of God now? Such a great subject.
 
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Jason0047 said:
You are talking about the doctrine of "Federal Headship." Adam and Eve's eyes being opened is the "effect" and not the "cause"; Which is a different thing. Eve still sinned in eating of the wrong tree. However, Adam is the "federal head" of the entire human race; And sin is passed down by the male seed. Hence, why Jesus had to be born of a female virgin supernaturally. But when Adam seen that the fruit looked good to eat (lust), he bit of the fruit and sin took place (with his action), and then the result was spiritual death whereby both of their eyes were opened (Because Adam is the Federal Head of the entire human race).

In other words, first there is lust (Which is bad), that is then followed by sin (Which is bad), that then results in death (Which is bad).

James 1:15
"Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."

In other words, in order for me to be tempted by something, I need to have a desire (or lust) for that thing on some level for me to actually be tempted. If there is no actual desire (lust) in a particular form of temptation put upon me, then there is no real temptation involved.

I mean seriously, if Jesus was tempted in all points like us (As you suggest), then that means you are saying that Jesus struggled to not to look at women in the wrong way. That means that there was some kind of wrong desire (or lust) in Him in order for Him to struggle in trying to refuse in not wanting to look at women the wrong way. But Jesus said if you lust after a woman, you have committed adultery already in your heart. See, that is why he was never tempted in the way that you think.

Jesus was ONLY tempted in all points like us by the fact that He had limited knowledge (While in the flesh of a man during His Earthly ministry). But Jesus never desired or lusted in doing bad. Such a thing would have brought forth sin; And there is no stage before lusting. You either have a desire to do good or you don't. Jesus' desire was always to do good. Always 100% of the time because He was the Word made flesh.
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Bolded one is scriptural and found in scripture.....

Bolded number two is supposition on your part and is not applied unto bolded one.....

Jesus was tempted in ALL POINTS as we are tempted, yet did no sin...so quit adding to the word and rejecting the truth Jason and for once humble yourself to the truth as opposed to your opinion bro.

Hebrews 2:18, 4:15<---reject this if you choose....I will choose to believe the word and not READ in something that is not there!
 
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elf3 said:
Can we get back to the Armour of God now? Such a great subject.
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Yes, that is why I created a thread and provided a link so as to re-direct any potential replies on that point.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Bolded one is scriptural and found in scripture.....

Bolded number two is supposition on your part and is not applied unto bolded one.....

Jesus was tempted in ALL POINTS as we are tempted, yet did no sin...so quit adding to the word and rejecting the truth Jason and for once humble yourself to the truth as opposed to your opinion bro.

Hebrews 2:18, 4:15<---reject this if you choose....I will choose to believe the word and not READ in something that is not there!
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See this thread here:

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...ever-desired-tempted-do-evil.html#post1778102
 
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OK so back on topic here. Who wants to start (again)?
 
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elf3 said:
OK so back on topic here. Who wants to start (again)?
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Brother Elf, I started another thread about Jesus being tempted so we can continue to discuss the whole armour of God on this thread. :D
 
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VioletReigns said:

Brother Elf, I started another thread about Jesus being tempted so we can continue to discuss the whole armour of God on this thread.
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I already created one with a link to it (within this thread) so as to re-direct folks. But thank you, though.

Peace and blessings be unto you.
 
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VioletReigns said:

Brother Elf, I started another thread about Jesus being tempted so we can continue to discuss the whole armour of God on this thread. :D
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Sister this is your forum I think you should start us off again. :)
 
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Jason0047 said:
Click on the Larger Version to Check out the Scriptural References.

Sort of lines up with what I was thinking about the different pieces of the Armor today.
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The loins girt about with Truth was the hardest to figure out for me. But after seeing the Scriptural reference and in the image and in seeing that loins bring about offspring (i.e. spiritual children), I believe that knowing Christ's teachings and spreading those teachings to other brothers and sisters is what the belt of truth is all about (Which makes it distinct from the other pieces).
 
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And our feet stand upon the gospel.

1 Corinthians 15:1
"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;"

For it's the Great Commission.
 
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Jason0047 said:
The loins girt about with Truth was the hardest to figure out for me. But after seeing the Scriptural reference and in the image and in seeing that loins bring about offspring (i.e. spiritual children), I believe that knowing Christ's teachings and spreading those teachings to other brothers and sisters is what the belt of truth is all about (Which makes it distinct from the other pieces).
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Yes to propagate the truth and always be prepared to give an answer concerning the faith that is in us...!
 
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John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, "Thou sayest that I am a king.
To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world,
that I should bear witness unto the truth.
Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice."
 
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Here is my whole armour: Jesus Christ

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As I have posted before I see the Armour of God a little different. I see it as a complete military outfit. I mean in Ephesians 6:12 starts by telling us about a spiritual warfare. He then explains our Armour and our weapon. If this was for anything less than war things would be described different.

As for say evangelism why would we wear military gear to talk to them about God. And we bring a sword to their door? Scare the crap out a them.

To evangelize I think the clothing would be way different. Suit tie bible in brief case pen paper type of stuff.

Paul is talking a spiritual war where we need the Armour and weapon.

My explanations from this point of view will be way different from the other perspective started.

I say let's go with both not attacking each other but see how they both pan out.

What do you all think?

I think we should do an experiment and see what we each come up with.


Opinions?
 
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VioletReigns said:
Here is my whole armour: Jesus Christ

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First, please do not take this the wrong way, but I do not believe Jesus actually looked like that. I do not believe he was white or European looking. I believe he was Jewish. Biblical Jews appeared mid tone in color. For Paul was a Jew and he was confused with being an Egyptian. Also, Paul said that it was a shame for a man to have long hair, too. In other words, I strive to worship Jesus in Spirit and in truth. Imaginary artistic renditions of Jesus is an attempt at making something real into a fantasy. At least that is how I feel anyways.

Second, I believe each piece of the Armor of God has significance for us (In how to apply it to our lives). If it didn't then Paul wouldn't have made the distinction between them. In other words, I believe the Armor represents Christ, too. But knowing how to conform to the image of Christ and put on the Armor properly takes study and hard work to apply it to our lives.
 
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