The Wrecklessness of Believing that Satan is Already Bound

[Red33]

Those that believe that Satan is already bound from the time of the ascension have a problem with the context of (Eph 6:10-18) and have no explanation for that passage of scripture that was written to the church at Ephesus that was established after the ascension. That passage totally contradicts the notion that Satan is already bound and it gives instruction to the believer about the present enemy that we war against, which IS NOT flesh and blood. It also gives the believer instructions on how to deal with that enemy through putting on the whole armour of God.

These so called 'amellennialist' or 'antimellennialist' have to make this passage obsolete with no application for the present believer going back all the way to Pentecost when the church began. They want us to believe that Satan has been bound (according to Rev 20:1-3 that involves more than deceiving the nations) for the last 2,000+ years that the church has been present on the earth so that they can tie in Satan being loosed, the wrath of God, the rapture of the church, the second coming, the resurrection and the final judgment all in one little neat package.

They want to convince believers that the church is presently living in the millennial reign of Christ who is now ruling with or without the rod of iron (not quite clear on that) through the preaching of the kingdom that is now present and established upon the earth (Rev 2:27, 12:5, 19:15). Perhaps others of their persuasion want us to believe that the rule of the rod of iron comes with the new heaven and new earth that follows the final great white throne judgment of (Rev 20:11, 21:1).

 

[zone]

Those that believe that Satan is already bound from the time of the ascension have a problem with the context of (Eph 6:10-18) and have no explanation for that passage of scripture that was written to the church at Ephesus that was established after the ascension. That passage totally contradicts the notion that Satan is already bound and it gives instruction to the believer about the present enemy that we war against, which IS NOT flesh and blood. It also gives the believer instructions on how to deal with that enemy through putting on the whole armour of God.

These so called 'amellennialist' or 'antimellennialist' have to make this passage obsolete with no application for the present believer going back all the way to Pentecost when the church began. They want us to believe that Satan has been bound (according to Rev 20:1-3 that involves more than deceiving the nations) for the last 2,000+ years that the church has been present on the earth so that they can tie in Satan being loosed, the wrath of God, the rapture of the church, the second coming, the resurrection and the final judgment all in one little neat package.

They want to convince believers that the church is presently living in the millennial reign of Christ who is now ruling with or without the rod of iron (not quite clear on that) through the preaching of the kingdom that is now present and established upon the earth (Rev 2:27, 12:5, 19:15). Perhaps others of their persuasion want us to believe that the rule of the rod of iron comes with the new heaven and new earth that follows the final great white throne judgment of (Rev 20:11, 21:1).

The Thousand Years
of Revelation 20

The Thousand Years of Revelation 20

 

[contemplative]

That passage totally contradicts the notion that Satan is already bound and it gives instruction to the believer about the present enemy that we war against, which IS NOT flesh and blood. It also gives the believer instructions on how to deal with that enemy through putting on the whole armour of God.

Here is verse 13, emphasis mine:

Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.

It isn't especially difficult to see how this can be read in an amillenialist way. The letter does not solely concern the present. Going back to the first chapter, for instance:

With all wisdom and understanding, he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ.

Paul believes there is a time in which God's will reaches its fulfillment, at which point complete unity is achieved. Does this mean we shouldn't put God's will into effect now? Obviously not. In the sixth chapter the same principle applies - we are being warned against a very specific future event, but the advice is profitable even now.

 

[Red33]

Zone,

This man that you have given as a reference does the same thing you do, create doubt, so that no one can be sure of what they believe. Let's not have good sound doctrine to believe when it comes to our future concerning Christ and the church, let's just spiritualize it away and create an atmosphere of not being sure so that the devil can take advantage and put the leaven of doubt in the heart of the believer so that eventually the whole of the believer's faith will be leavened. That's what leaven does, it leavens the whole lump and it makes the believer ineffective in their call to preach Christ and Him crucified.

You like being a part of that system of leaven?

 

[Necto]

Zone your illusions know no limit! It is interesting to me if you sometime admit the errors or not? You confirm that the millenium already goes since rise of the Christ on the sky. John which means has received revelation from God on island already there should be some decades in the Kingdom of the Christ on the Earth, so? We know that John has received the most important revelation about last days and about events of last days. One of such events is a coming of the Christ to the Earth for an establishment Of the Kingdom. In the book beginning (Rev 1.1) we read:" Jesus Christ revelation which was given to Him by God to show to the slaves to that it is necessary to be soon ". So, - to be SOON! John accepted the future coming of the Christ for the Kingdom establishment on the Earth and events preceding it. How so Zone? In the Writing we see the contradiction to that to that you teach! John could not be in the Earth Kingdom but was in Heavenly! The matter is that the Christ after rise has established the Heavenly Kingdom and John was in it. The second coming of the Christ establishes a terrestrial Kingdom of the Christ in a current of a millenium. You do not distinguish the First and Second coming , hence confuse the Heavenly Kingdom and a millenium (arrival of the Heavenly Kingdom to the Earth). Therefore you do not know what you say and your doctrine is full heresy.

 

[zone]

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, lo here! or lo there! for, behold the KINGDOM OF GOD is WITHIN YOU

do you truly believe jesus in that passge told the PHARISEES THEY HAD THE KINGDOM OF GOD WITHIN THEM? after condemning them and calling them vipers and sonsof Satan?

New International Version (©1984)
nor will people say, 'Here it is,' or 'There it is,' because the kingdom of God is within you."


New Living Translation (©2007)
You won't be able to say, 'Here it is!' or 'It's over there!' For the Kingdom of God is already among you."

English Standard Version (©2001)
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."

International Standard Version (©2008)
People won't be saying, 'Look! Here it is!' or 'There it is!' because now the kingdom of God is among you."

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
They can't say, 'Here it is!' or 'There it is!' You see, the kingdom of God is within you."

King James Bible
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

American King James Version
Neither shall they say, See here! or, see there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

American Standard Version
neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you.

Bible in Basic English
And men will not say, See, it is here! or, There! for the kingdom of God is among you.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Neither shall they say: Behold here, or behold there. For lo, the kingdom of God is within you.

Darby Bible Translation
nor shall they say, Lo here, or, Lo there; for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.

English Revised Version
neither shall they say, Lo, here! or, There! for lo, the kingdom of God is within you.

Webster's Bible Translation
Neither will they say, Lo here! or lo there! for behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Weymouth New Testament
Nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' --for the Kingdom of God is within you."

World English Bible
neither will they say, 'Look, here!' or, 'Look, there!' for behold, the Kingdom of God is within you."

Young's Literal Translation
nor shall they say, Lo, here; or lo, there; for lo, the reign of God is within you.'

" Yes, the 70 weeks were fulfilled by the destruction of the temple, however you believe that the end of sins that Christ heralded is happening now whereas what he meant was that now we have a doorway open to God through Christ and whoever follows Christ will have mercy, so the kingdom of God is now within us, but sin still exists in this world now, today. So where is your end of sin? Instead sin is escalated in the world..

Jesus made a full end to sin FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE.

Do you not realise that the earth will be melted after the 1000 years? .

ya. at The Second Advent.
this is getting tedious.

If you want to know where Jesus is sitting?
Psalms 110:1
The Lord said unto my Lord, sit thou at MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I MAKE THY ENEMIES THY FOOTSTOOL.

Do you believe through your understanding that Christ has NO ENEMIES in this world now? For when he rules it is just as it is written, HE RULES. Is Christ ruling America? Is Christ ruling Libya (muslems) Is Christ ruling Israel who follow Moses Law? Does Christ rule with 2 convenants? ..

The Lord said unto my Lord, sit thou at MY RIGHT HAND, UNTIL I MAKE THY ENEMIES THY FOOTSTOOL.

see that word UNTIL? where is Jesus UNTIL its time to Rise and pour out the wrath on His ENEMIES?

You misunderstand, because we have that holy spirit in us, we do indeed have a piece of the kingdom inside us. For the spirit comes from the Kingdom of God. ..

see correction above.
not dealing with this anymore.
you should know WHAT THIS really says: nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

What you have to understand, is that the earth does not get burnt and melted until after the 1000 year reign. When all the wicked are destroyed with Satan, and all that is left have been changed to spirit, only NOW can the earth be melted, because spirit will not be affected by the fervent heat.

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uh....I GET THAT.
THE a thousand years is between the First and Second ADVENTS.
not going here with you again.
tedious.

Rev 20:6

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the FIRST RESURRECTION: on such the SECOND DEATH hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall REIGN with HIM a THOUSAND YEARS.

So if there is a FIRST RESURRECTION then there must be a SECOND RESURRECTION
TAKE NOTE OF REV 20:11-15
Notice verse 11 is the GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGEMENT, Notice it is AFTER the first judgement. Notice verse 14 describes these events as the 2nd DEATH. The 2nd death being the 2nd judgement..

HUH?????????? How many Judgments are there devo?

We do not see New Jerusalem in the World today. What we see is the continuation of the old way (moses covenant) is not New Jerusalem ruled under the new covenant (Christs) ? So how can it be New Jerusalem now.

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oh for.....

SO WHAT IF THE JEWS ARE CLINGING TO THE OLD COVENANT? (which is REALLY today The Oral Traditions of The Pharisees called the Talmud! - that's what JUDIASM IS DEVO)

all that means is THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN JESUS! is that His FAULT????????????????????

The New Jerusalem is after the 1000 years. Rev 21:2

And I John saw the HOLY CITY NEW JERUSALEM coming down from GOD out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband...

YES I KNOW.
the a thousand years is NOW.
over and out on this one.

That stone that was cut out of a mountain in heaven (Gods kingdom in heaven) was hurled at the feet, being the last empire of mans rule and it is DURING the days of THESE KINGS will Jesus come to set up his kingdom which will never be destroyed. .

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those KINGS were in place in Jesus' Day! He set up His Kingdom when He came is King. He's either kin or He isn't.

done on this.

LOL ok ok. I stand corrected. It was future for them then, but some of it is past for us now. ..

thank you for your integrity.

Yes He is King. History tells us he was rejected and killed. Ever heard of the crucifixion story?

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so, He came unto His own but His own did not receive Him (MANY DID).
does that mean He isn't KING? does that mean God is now befuddled....has to switch to Plan B?

yes, He was KILLED. but did you know He rose ALIVE on the third day?

if being KILLED was what stopped Him from reigning why didn't He start reigning on THE FOURTH DAY?

anyways. i'm done. read this (or not):

The Thousand Years of Revelation 20

 

[zone]

Zone,
This man that you have given as a reference does the same thing you do, create doubt, so that no one can be sure of what they believe.

i know what i believe. there's no confusion for me.

if you took some prayerful time (more than 10 minutes) and honestly considered you may have believed falsely, the article may be of value to you.

if you're not willing to do that, i can't help you.

 

[zone]

John could not be in the Earth Kingdom but was in Heavenly! The matter is that the Christ after rise has established the Heavenly Kingdom and John was in it. The second coming of the Christ establishes a terrestrial Kingdom of the Christ in a current of a millenium. You do not distinguish the First and Second coming , hence confuse the Heavenly Kingdom and a millenium (arrival of the Heavenly Kingdom to the Earth). Therefore you do not know what you say and your doctrine is full heresy.

don't drag me into your dispensationalism:

I NEVER CLAIM THERE'S AN EARTHLY KINGDOM WITH CHRIST ON THE OLD EARTH.

DO YOU THINK THERE IS A DIFFERENCE OVERALL? THE KINGDOM IS THE KINGDOM.

JOHN WAS IN THE KINGDOM THOUGH HE WAS ON EARTH WHILE HE LIVED, BUT HIS INHERITENCE IS IN HEAVEN (ULTIMATELY NEW JERUSALEM)...ETERNITY.

i am FORCED to answer the crackpot dispensational dialectics on their own terms, and i can't help it if you guys want to chase your tails ad infinitum over WHAT THE KINGDOM IS CALLED, WHERE IT IS, WHEN IT IS, WHO IS IN IT.......

i've made myself clear.

i couldn't care less if you call me a heretic.

i stand with the reformers on this.

see ya

 

[zone]

Here is verse 13, emphasis mine:



It isn't especially difficult to see how this can be read in an amillenialist way. The letter does not solely concern the present. Going back to the first chapter, for instance:



Paul believes there is a time in which God's will reaches its fulfillment, at which point complete unity is achieved. Does this mean we shouldn't put God's will into effect now? Obviously not. In the sixth chapter the same principle applies - we are being warned against a very specific future event, but the advice is profitable even now.

contemplative
i have found since i determined to prayerfully consider amillennial Reformed (COVENANT THEOLOGY) (two ages) (already/not yet) that EVERYTHING has fallen into place.

that model is totally Christ-centered from Gen to Rev....it shows the prophets and how they saw from afar often seeing a single vision of redemption or of The Messiah or Temple, and in actuality the closer they got to the Cross, the clearer the revelations were.

The Covenants are deliniated and AMAZINGLY each of them shows its fulfillment in Christ, The Oath God swore to Abraham being the one that we know as Justification by Grace through Faith in Jesus THE PROMISE, and the continuing city (eternity).

the types and antetypes are so clear when all that dispensational rubbish is cleared away.

there are so many of the prophecies ppl are looking for today that have already been fufilled.

it makes finding what HASN'T been fulfilled waaaaaaaaaaaaaay easier.

zone.

 

[Red33]

i know what i believe. there's no confusion for me.

if you took some prayerful time (more than 10 minutes) and honestly considered you may have believed falsely, the article may be of value to you.

if you're not willing to do that, i can't help you.

I did not ask for your help and I do not accustom myself with spiritualizing the scriptures to fit into some eschatological understanding of future events concerning Israel, the church, the kingdom and the children of disobedience. Do you also spiritualize the blood of Christ or do you take His blood as literally being shed for the remission of sins? Did Jesus literally take the sins of the whole world upon His own body and suffer the judgment of those sins through a literal death or was that some figment of the disciples imagination that they wrote about in the gospels? Perhaps we should spiritualize the cross and say that Christ only thought about His crucifixion and the shedding of His blood and that was enough to save the people from their sins.

Perhaps He did not literally resurrect from the grave or ascend into heaven before the watchful eyes of the disciples. Maybe some of the prophecies that have yet been fulfilled are only to be fulfilled spiritually and not literally. Does the literal Holy Spirit literally indwell the believer at salvation or does the scriptures mention this just so we can feel good about our relationship with God? Is it possible that the Holy Spirit never really descended at Pentecost and fill those (120) believers that were with Peter to speak in the national tongues of those that were gathered of the Jews, of whom 3,000 were saved or was that number 3,000 symbolic of those that would respond to the gospel?

We can go on and on and spiritualize anything we want and it is not a difficult thing to so as many have over the years and come up with many strange doctrines that do not edify or build up the church and body of Christ. You seem to have gone the way of the 'spiritualizers' and their strange doctrines tat make Christ, the church, Israel, and the kingdom of God whatever you want them to be, just do a little spiritualizing and there you have it. There is nothing good in doing that when the scriptures are given to be objective and literal in their presentation of the truth. Something has gotten into your head and you need to get it out because it has effected your thinking and made you terribly imbalanced in your understanding of these things you spiritualize for your own understanding and bring leaven into other believer's lives. As some would say on this site, 'JUST MY TWO CENTS'!

 

[zone]

I did not ask for your help and I do not accustom myself with spiritualizing the scriptures to fit into some eschatological understanding of future events concerning Israel, the church, the kingdom and the children of disobedience. Do you also spiritualize the blood of Christ or do you take His blood as literally being shed for the remission of sins? Did Jesus literally take the sins of the whole world upon His own body and suffer the judgment of those sins through a literal death or was that some figment of the disciples imagination that they wrote about in the gospels? Perhaps we should spiritualize the cross and say that Christ only thought about His crucifixion and the shedding of His blood and that was enough to save the people from their sins. !

fortunately i am familiar with the Two Age Amillennial scholars' experiences that i expected this line of attack from the dispies.

sorry....not playing.

Perhaps He did not literally resurrect from the grave or ascend into heaven before the watchful eyes of the disciples. Maybe some of the prophecies that have yet been fulfilled are only to be fulfilled spiritually and not literally. Does the literal Holy Spirit literally indwell the believer at salvation or does the scriptures mention this just so we can feel good about our relationship with God? Is it possible that the Holy Spirit never really descended at Pentecost and fill those (120) believers that were with Peter to speak in the national tongues of those that were gathered of the Jews, of whom 3,000 were saved or was that number 3,000 symbolic of those that would respond to the gospel? !

tut tut Red.
this tantrum over a single term a thousand years used to symbolize the messianic period of the kingdom?

i told you i knew what the reaction would be: a prayerful time of reflection and putting aside ones PRESUPPOSITIONS imposed upon the texts....or a hardening of one's position.

oh well. its your loss Red, truly...the Bible is BURSTING with clarity and Truth for me now. JESUS IS SEEN IN EVERYTHING!!

We can go on and on and spiritualize anything we want and it is not a difficult thing to so as many have over the years and come up with many strange doctrines that do not edify or build up the church and body of Christ. You seem to have gone the way of the 'spiritualizers' and their strange doctrines tat make Christ, the church, Israel, and the kingdom of God whatever you want them to be, just do a little spiritualizing and there you have it. There is nothing good in doing that when the scriptures are given to be objective and literal in their presentation of the truth. Something has gotten into your head and you need to get it out because it has effected your thinking and made you terribly imbalanced in your understanding of these things you spiritualize for your own understanding and bring leaven into other believer's lives. As some would say on this site, 'JUST MY TWO CENTS'!

ALL THIS FLAILING OVER "spiritualizing" A THOUSAND YEARS WHICH IS WRITTEN IN A BOOK OF SYMBOLIC LANGUAGE.

GO FIGURE.

you're wasting your time, i'm not swallowing dispensational fantasies. I'VE SEEN THE REAL THING.

 

[Red33]

Zone,

You have seen the real thing meaning... evidence that we are in the mellennium...evidence that Satan has been bound and you can prove it...evidence that Eph 6:10-18 should not be in the scriptures...evidence that Christ is not coming for the Church before any great tribulation period because there is none...evidence that Israel is really is the church and we have all been fooled...

Come now, you spiritualize a heck of alot more than you lead on, because you have to. You are dead in the water and you have to spiritualize to get out of it, but you only sink deeper into your own confusion and instability that has been bought on by being double-minded about these matters.

 

[contemplative]

But when the Pharisees heard <the people talking>, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”

Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand? And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. But if it is by the Spirit of God that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man’s house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder his house."

Jesus says here that if he's driving out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom has come, but this wouldn't be possible if the strong man weren't tied up. This is consistent with, if not indicative of, the binding of Satan.

Concerning Ephesians 6, we've seen above why this can be read consistently and profitably within an amilliennialist viewpoint.

 

[Red33]

Jesus says here that if he's driving out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom has come, but this wouldn't be possible if the strong man weren't tied up. This is consistent with, if not indicative of, the binding of Satan.

Concerning Ephesians 6, we've seen above why this can be read consistently and profitably within an amilliennialist viewpoint.

If you think it can be read this way, then be my guest and give us your explanation of Eph 6:10-18 from an amillennialist viewpoint. But when you do it don't spiritualize it but make it objective, relevant and applicable for the present NT believer. If you can't do that then you have to make that passage obsolete. This poster 'Zone' refuses to explain, because she can't do it and neither can any of her amillennial past or present contemporaries. She is not honest about the whole counsel of God.

 

[contemplative]

If you think it can be read this way, then be my guest and give us your explanation of Eph 6:10-18 from an amillennialist viewpoint. But when you do it don't spiritualize it but make it objective, relevant and applicable for the present NT believer. If you can't do that then you have to make that passage obsolete.

I suppose I could expand on what I said above. The faithful are being warned so that they might be able to withstand the day of the wicked, as is stated plainly in the thirteenth verse.

How so? First, by recognizing the true enemy. It isn't earthly powers; the word here is "pneumatika," which means that our struggle is necessarily spiritual. Secondly, by practicing in truth, righteousness, and readiness. We also require faith, salvation, the Spirit, and constant prayer. These are necessarily spiritual practices, so I can't help but wonder if I'll be accused of spiritualizing the passage, but they are at the same time relevant and applicable for a believer in any age.

This seems straightforward. We train for battle and put on our armor before entering into it. We are encouraged to be ready for that day. Of course, this isn't just Paul's message. Jesus had similar things to say to his disciples about readiness for the end of the world, but we all recognize that, even though the final judgment didn't come within the lifetimes of those disciples, the teachings were still applicable.

This poster 'Zone' refuses to explain, because she can't do it and neither can any of her amillennial past or present contemporaries. She is not honest about the whole counsel of God.

I'm aware in conversations like this that some chatters may have bones to pick with other chatters, but it's going to be received poorly if it spills into every conversation you have about amillennialism. Anyone reading the thread is already familiar with the spat.

 

[Red33]

All you have done is taken one part of one verse and have neglected the rest, therefore you have made no sense of the passage. Try again and include all the text from (verses 10-18 of Eph 6) and explain, if you will.

Zone has decided as to her demeanor and how she communicates with others on this matter and I have returned her the favor in a language and disposition that she is quite familiar with.

 

[contemplative]

All you have done is taken one part of one verse and have neglected the rest, therefore you have made no sense of the passage. Try again and include all the text from (verses 10-18 of Eph 6) and explain, if you will.

In point of fact, I've referenced almost all of the passage, indicating what practices Christians should do to prepare as they're commanded to, for the purpose of being ready for the day of the wicked mentioned in the thirteenth verse.

Zone has decided as to her demeanor and how she communicates with others on this matter and I have returned her the favor in a language and disposition that she is quite familiar with.

I'm going to have to apologize, but I'm not going to be used as a platform from which you can launch missiles at someone else.

 

[Devolution]

Matthew 12:26
And if SATAN cast out SATAN, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

Satan's kingdom?

Luke 4
5> And the Devil, taking Him up to an high mountain, shewed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6> And the Devil said unto Him, All this power will i give Thee, and the glory of them, for that is delivered unto me, and to whomsoever i will i give it.

So Satan's kingdom is the world's kingdoms that have continued uninterrupted since the dawn of time...and these kingdoms were still his when Jesus walked this earth...sure doesn't look like much changed after Jesus was crucified either...

2 Corinthians 2:11
Lest SATAN should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

Hm, here are men of God, full of the Holy Spirit, warning us to be vigilant lest Satan should get an advantage over them....odd, Satan sure doesn't appear locked up here...could his kingdom still stand?

1 Thessalonians 2:18
Wherefore we would have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but SATAN hindered us.

Gee, Satan hindered men of God here. Sure doesn't sound like the actions of one who is locked up. More like one who is roaming free. Odd.

2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for SATAN himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Gee, why would Satan appear as an angel of light if he is locked up? I mean, why even bother? He is locked up after all, and who would he be fooling in prison? Hm, sounds like a free agent here again.

1 Timothy 1:20
Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto SATAN, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

Odd. Did these men get sent to Satan's prison here? That would of course mean they'd have to be changed into spirit first. So if Satan were locked up, how could these be delivered to him? But if he were free....

2 Thessalonians 2:9
[Even him], whose coming is after the working of SATAN with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Well this of course is speaking of the False Prophet. Notice "after the WORKING of Satan"? Well, Satan is obviously at WORK here, and since the F.P is in the world...Satan also must be WORKING....IN THE WORLD. Sure doesn't sound locked up here either.

1 Corinthians 5:5
To deliver such an one unto SATAN for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus

So...to deliver such persons unto Satan huh, so Satan can destroy their flesh, this would be pretty hard to do IF Satan were locked up don't you think? But if he were free...

Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and SATAN, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

And when was Satan cast out of heaven?

Rev 12:5
.......and her Child (Jesus) was caught up unto God, and to His throne.

And then....

Rev 12:7
And there was war in heaven.....

Rev 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the devil, and Satan....

And where was he cast to..AFTER Christs ascension that is....

Revelation 12:9
...........he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Ah, so he is NOT locked up, but instead, is now denied access to heaven, and was cast to the earth...NOT prison, but to earth. No more going to and fro from earth to heaven to accuse men (we are given Jobs example of Satan doing just this)...but now, confined here amongst men...

But when will he be locked up?

Revelation 20
2> And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and SATAN, and bound him a thousand years,
3> .............till the 1000 years should be fulfilled.....


I have an idea....why don't we just listen to what God says? It sure would make things easier no?

 

[Red33]

In point of fact, I've referenced almost all of the passage, indicating what practices Christians should do to prepare as they're commanded to, for the purpose of being ready for the day of the wicked mentioned in the thirteenth verse.



I'm going to have to apologize, but I'm not going to be used as a platform from which you can launch missiles at someone else.

You are like 'Zone' and have not answered (Eph 6:10-18) and refuse to because it would be your own demise as to Satan being bound and that we are already in the 1,000 yr reign of Christ. And to those that think it doesn't matter, IT DOES MATTER! I don't think that 'Zone' has ever lacked in her 'weapon cache' that includes a vast supply of missiles and their own personal launching pad. She freely hurls those 'babies' whenever the occasion arises and they have caused a few casualties but have not made many traitors of the truth.

 

[contemplative]

You are like 'Zone'

I have twice now asked you to maintain focus, but you're stuck on Zone like a dog on steak. I don't know Zone and don't care to get involved in your obviously personal squabble. This thread, however, can be interesting if you're willing to talk to individuals as individuals.

As I said, the passage you quote concerns the methods of preparation for the day of the wicked. I listed more than a couple of these, taken directly from the passage. I'm still don't see any reason this is incompatible with an amillennialist view.