The Yoke of Christ?

homwardbound · Apr 1, 2025

No, I have not either as well as I have never heard any preaching on Hebrews 8:1-4 either
Or the truth of Hebrews 6 if add chapter 5:12 -Ch. 6 with it and then might get it,
there is no more sacrifice for any more sin ever, that got done in Son once for us all to get given new life in us, imputed to us in love and mercy to all, even si ace not one other can ever be perfect, but Son fro them to Father, for us Wow!
Feed my sheep, feed what? Food or Spirit of love and mercy for us all to get along and not fight anymore
Well, if that came true, then a gathering would become real wouldn't it, no more flesh fights?
As I see, Jesus did not flesh fight back at all, went to that cross willingly once for all for all to either believe it and be new in it, the resurrection or not. At Least be learning new willingly from God, not the self or anyone else anymore
1 John 2:12

homwardbound · Apr 1, 2025

jacko said:

You are learning you are never alone, as feelings always try to get in the way of truth and can only do that whenever I personally, let them lead me to do, without any thought(s) over it.
Going through a trouble, I want and do not get, I am getting and not wanting. Feelings from that, produces thoughts) trying to lead like a train. Feelings are the caboose of a train and the lead is truth from God to me at least. Truly, the caboose cannot lead a train. If does a wreck is going to happen, for sure.

Example: Go to a scary movie, watch the movie and when someone in the movie jumps out, how do people react naturally to what they are seeing?
Yes, and we know it is not real, only a movie, yet are emotions, predictably react, it matters not whether or not whatever we are seeing and thinking,. whether or not it is good or bad
That to me is why John 10:10 to me the first part
That states., the thief (Emotions) come to steal, kill and destroy, when the last part of John 10:10 states, but (Which kills the thief, emotion to me) and God Father in risen Son gives new life more abundantly
John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Emotions of troubles, when in the lead over it happening, happened or might happen again, troubles me in stress and not having any rest has and does create doubt, where I end up stressed out, which is naturally of my first born flesh, that I now reckon as dead, thanks to Son's done work for me to see new in Father for us all to love all regardless of what others do or not do, even me as well, thanking God in this love given us that does not quit from God for us all, Yet does between people and is not good for anyone, in my opinion as we are to grow new daily into maturing daily, God continuing to love us all, regardless of what we have done , do or not do
Can we now turn to God in love back to God? For loving us all first
1 John 4:19
We love him, because he first loved us.
Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

jacko · Apr 1, 2025

homwardbound said:

You are learning you are never alone, as feelings always try to get in the way of truth and can only do that whenever I personally, let them lead me to do, without any thought(s) over it.
Going through a trouble, I want and do not get, I am getting and not wanting. Feelings from that, produces thoughts) trying to lead like a train. Feelings are the caboose of a train and the lead is truth from God to me at least. Truly, the caboose cannot lead a train. If does a wreck is going to happen, for sure.

Example: Go to a scary movie, watch the movie and when someone in the movie jumps out, how do people react naturally to what they are seeing?
Yes, and we know it is not real, only a movie, yet are emotions, predictably react, it matters not whether or not whatever we are seeing and thinking,. whether or not it is good or bad
That to me is why John 10:10 to me the first part
That states., the thief (Emotions) come to steal, kill and destroy, when the last part of John 10:10 states, but (Which kills the thief, emotion to me) and God Father in risen Son gives new life more abundantly
John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Emotions of troubles, when in the lead over it happening, happened or might happen again, troubles me in stress and not having any rest has and does create doubt, where I end up stressed out, which is naturally of my first born flesh, that I now reckon as dead, thanks to Son's done work for me to see new in Father for us all to love all regardless of what others do or not do, even me as well, thanking God in this love given us that does not quit from God for us all, Yet does between people and is not good for anyone, in my opinion as we are to grow new daily into maturing daily, God continuing to love us all, regardless of what we have done , do or not do
Can we now turn to God in love back to God? For loving us all first
1 John 4:19
We love him, because he first loved us.
Revelation 1:5
and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

everything you say is true, but we feel what we feel right? I try and tell my soul... I am good, the Lord is my Shepard and I lack nothing. But my natural mind is a servant to the flesh. My flesh and my spirit battle...

Soyeong · Apr 1, 2025

Lamar said:

The yoke of Christ is the yoke of the Kingdom, which is obeying the Torah that he spent his ministry teaching by word and by example, and which he was inviting people to learn from him in Matthew 11:28-30. Moreover, by Jesus saying that they would find rest for our souls, he was referencing Jeremiah 6:16-19, where the Torah is described as the good way where we will find rest for our souls, but they did not want to walk in it. In Psalms 119:29, he wanted to put false ways far from him and for God to be gracious to him him by teaching him to obey the Torah.

Cameron143 · Apr 1, 2025

Soyeong said:

The yoke of Christ is the yoke of the Kingdom, which is obeying the Torah that he spent his ministry teaching by word and by example, and which he was inviting people to learn from him in Matthew 11:28-30. Moreover, by Jesus saying that they would find rest for our souls, he was referencing Jeremiah 6:16-19, where the Torah is described as the good way where we will find rest for our souls, but they did not want to walk in it. In Psalms 119:29, he wanted to put false ways far from him and for God to be gracious to him him by teaching him to obey the Torah.

The yoke of Christ is not the bondage of the law.

Soyeong · Apr 1, 2025

Cameron143 said:

I didn't say that it was. In Psalms 119:142, the Torah is truth, and in John 8:31-16, it is the transgression of the Torah that puts us into bondage while the truth sets us free.

Webers.Home · Apr 1, 2025

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Matt 11:28-30 begins with an invitation.

"Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden"

Folks who respond to Jesus' invitation are rewarded with rest.

"and I will give you rest."

Now, according to the letter to Hebrews: God gave Himself a rest after
completing all the cosmos' forms of life matter and energy.

The thing is: God has never yet returned to the work of creation to pick up
where He left off because according to Gen 1:31 & Gen 2:1-3, it was all
done and there was nothing left for Him to do.

So then, if the rest offered by Jesus is the self-same rest that God offers in
the letter to Hebrews, then I think we may safely assume the rest offered by
Jesus is perpetual, i.e. never-ending.
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Webers.Home · Apr 1, 2025

Lamar said:

I think you may have it backwards. According to the language and grammar,
Jesus wants folks to accept his yoke, viz: he's the one to install it and he
won't do so without their consent.
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Soyeong · Apr 1, 2025

Blain said:

Jesus taught how to walk in obedience to Torah by setting a sinless example for us to follow and in Matthew 11:28-30, he was inviting people to come to him for rest and to learn from him, not inviting people to come to him for rest instead of learning from him. Moreover, by Jesus saying that we would find rest for our souls, he was referencing Jeremiah 6:16-19, where the Torah is described as the good way where we will find rest for our souls, but they didn't want to walk in it. In Psalms 119:29, he wanted to God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Torah, so that is the yoke of grace.

Magenta · Apr 1, 2025

From Galatians 4:22-24 plus 28-29 and 5:1 Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born through the promise. These things serve as illustrations, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery. We, like Isaac, are children of promise. The son born by the flesh persecuted the son born by the Spirit. It is the same now. It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not be encumbered once more by a yoke of slavery.

Blain · Apr 1, 2025

Soyeong said:

Jesus taught how to walk in obedience to Torah by setting a sinless example for us to follow and in Matthew 11:28-30, he was inviting people to come to him for rest and to learn from him, not inviting people to come to him for rest instead of learning from him. Moreover, by Jesus saying that we would find rest for our souls, he was referencing Jeremiah 6:16-19, where the Torah is described as the good way where we will find rest for our souls, but they didn't want to walk in it. In Psalms 119:29, he wanted to God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Torah, so that is the yoke of grace.

he became the law for us and no one could or can follow the law perfectly

Trulyfree · Apr 1, 2025

Soyeong said:

It is written, “Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.” Romans 7:4 NKJV

Blain · Apr 1, 2025

Trulyfree said:

that sound.... was that the nail being hit on the head? very well done nicely said

Trulyfree · Apr 1, 2025

Blain said:

Soyeong · Apr 1, 2025

Trulyfree said:

Blain said:

Paul spoke about multiple categories of law other than the Law of God, such as the law of sin or works of the law, so we should be careful to discern which law he was referring to. For example, in Romans 7:21-8:2, Paul said that he delighted in obeying the Law of God and served it with his mind, but contrasted it with the law of sin that was working within his members to cause him not to do the good that he wanted to do, which was waging war against the law of his mind, which held him captive, and which he served with his flesh. Moreover, Paul said that the Law of the Spirit of Life has set us free from the law of sin and death.

So please make the case for which law Romans 7:4 should be interpreted as referring to out of all of the categories of law that Paul spoke about. For example, why would it make sense to think that we need to die to what Christ taught in order to become joined to Christ or to die to God's word in order to become joined to God's word made flesh? Likewise, why would it make sense to think that we need to die to God's instructions for how to bear fruit for Him in order to bear fruit for Him? Do you think that the way to become joined to Christ and to bear fruit for God is by refusing to follow Christ's example of obedience to what He has commanded?

Do you think that it makes sense to interpret Romans 7:5 as referring to the Law of God as if you think that Paul delighted in stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death? Or do think it makes sense to interpret Romans 7:6 as if Paul delighted in being held captive to sin? It is the law of sin that Paul described as holding him captive and the Law of the Spirit has free us from the law of sin and death, not the Law of God.

The Law of God leads us to do what is godly, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) while the law of sin leads us in the opposite direction by stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death, so Paul is contrasting this two directions throughout this passage. For example, in Romans 6:16-23, we are slaves or the one that we obey, either of the law of sin, which leads to death or obedience to the Law of God, which leads to righteousness. We are no longer to present ourselves as slaves to impurity, lawlessness, and sin, but are to now present ourselves to God as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, which is the gift of God, so interpreting Romans 7:4 as referring to the Law of God would be the same as saying that we need to die to God's gift of eternal life. Rather, we need to die to law of sin in order to become unified with Christ and to bear fruit for God.

Soyeong · Apr 1, 2025

Blain said:

Nowhere does the Bible say that Jesus became the law for us or that we need to follow it perfectly. God's law came with instructions for what to do when His children sinned, so it never required us to have perfect obedience. Repentance doesn't change the fact that we have not had perfect obedience, so if we needed to have perfect obedience for some strange reason, then repentance would have no value, but the fact that repentance has value means that we don't need to have perfect obedience. In Romans 10:5-8, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that God's law is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! So it was presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as the need for perfect obedience. The only reason why someone would need to have perfect obedience is if they are going to give themselves to pay for the sins of the world, the rest of us can thankfully have our sins forgiven.

Blain · Apr 1, 2025

Soyeong said:

Paul spoke about multiple categories of law other than the Law of God, such as the law of sin or works of the law, so we should be careful to discern which law he was referring to. For example, in Romans 7:21-8:2, Paul said that he delighted in obeying the Law of God and served it with his mind, but contrasted it with the law of sin that was working within his members to cause him not to do the good that he wanted to do, which was waging war against the law of his mind, which held him captive, and which he served with his flesh. Moreover, Paul said that the Law of the Spirit of Life has set us free from the law of sin and death.

So please make the case for which law Romans 7:4 should be interpreted as referring to out of all of the categories of law that Paul spoke about. For example, why would it make sense to think that we need to die to what Christ taught in order to become joined to Christ or to die to God's word in order to become joined to God's word made flesh? Likewise, why would it make sense to think that we need to die to God's instructions for how to bear fruit for Him in order to bear fruit for Him? Do you think that the way to become joined to Christ and to bear fruit for God is by refusing to follow Christ's example of obedience to what He has commanded?

Do you think that it makes sense to interpret Romans 7:5 as referring to the Law of God as if you think that Paul delighted in stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death? Or do think it makes sense to interpret Romans 7:6 as if Paul delighted in being held captive to sin? It is the law of sin that Paul described as holding him captive and the Law of the Spirit has free us from the law of sin and death, not the Law of God.

The Law of God leads us to do what is godly, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) while the law of sin leads us in the opposite direction by stirring up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death, so Paul is contrasting this two directions throughout this passage. For example, in Romans 6:16-23, we are slaves or the one that we obey, either of the law of sin, which leads to death or obedience to the Law of God, which leads to righteousness. We are no longer to present ourselves as slaves to impurity, lawlessness, and sin, but are to now present ourselves to God as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, which is the gift of God, so interpreting Romans 7:4 as referring to the Law of God would be the same as saying that we need to die to God's gift of eternal life. Rather, we need to die to law of sin in order to become unified with Christ and to bear fruit for God.

Jesus didn't teach the law and I never saw any other law other than the one that we died to what other law is there?

Brasspen · Apr 1, 2025

The two greatest commandments... and Charity.

Brasspen · Apr 1, 2025

Love God With all thy heart, and above all. That is very important to do. Lots of people in the secular world see that as a way to call Christianity a government program to control the people. But, I learned from the Holy Spirit, That this one is very important, because if you don't do it, The devil can lead you away.

God gave us the commandment not to condemn us, but for our own good.

Blain · Apr 1, 2025

Brasspen said:

precisely Jesus gave the commandments to follow as far as the law goes those who try to follow the law according to ot way teach that we are still to follow it in that way but Jesus didn't teach that.

I don't know the other law that @Soyeong is talking about maybe they can enlighten me when they respond

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