Theories of the Atonement

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RussellJBenigno said:
My category is one who believes every Word which proceeded from the mouth of Jesus, but yet you can't even quote Him. My category is one who seeks to understand every word Jesus spoke. Wow! Who is failing to discern? The one who quotes Jesus as Truth and seeks out His Words or the one who looks everywhere else but Jesus and can't even quote Jesus. If you can't quote Jesus then you have no clue about ransom.
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On the contrary, all my posts relate that which is correct with scripture; right down to the last detail.

Unfortunately, there are many today who have already conceived in their mind what they really believe the Bible says; without checking it out!

Yes, in my post previous to this, I have quoted a scripture by Jesus concerning the specific importance of the ransom: “Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.” [Anointed Little Flock] (Matthew 20:28 KJV)

So even Jesus backs up my explanation.

Alexander
 
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cerialis

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Finally! Finally! Now we have something to discuss.
You cherry picked a verse of a teaching Jesus gave to the disciples while in private.
Ok! Fine! Fine! I'm excited you are finally bringing Jesus into the conversation.
You quote something but we have to look at it in the light of its context.
There is no [Jesus and Anointed Little Flock] in the verse.
There is no [nothing would be accomplished; not even the kingdom of God] in the verse.
There is [to give his life a ransom for many]
No one is denying the ransom. But! Everything thing needs to be in it's order and the ransom is not the Gospel, but a piece of the underlying structure. Its like an automobile. The automobile has many part which make it work and no one part is more important than another. Try running the car without tires, engine, transmission, fuel pump, battery and etc. The Kingdom of God is that automobile and is the Gospel according to Jesus. Jesus taught the KINGDOM of GOD as the GOSPEL. Anything else is an addendum or parts of the ultimate goal of that Kingdom. You can talk about ransom all you want, but the ultimate goal is the Kingdom of God. Ransom is a part in that Goal and not the Goal its self. Jesus conversation with the disciples about ransom is part of why the Kingdom of God operates. What you are doing is picking one part of the automobile and claiming that part is more superior than the other parts. You can brag about the tires all you want, but without the other parts the tires are useless.

Now! We have to use the Greek meaning. The word ransom in the Greek means," something to loosen with". If you don't like the Greek meaning then you will have to justify another meaning, but I don't see how you can accomplish that.
His life [blood] was given as "an object which loosens". Now the question is loosen from what, why and who are the "many"?
We will continue this.
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My friend, I do not "cherry pick" scriptures like many others do; in fact if I did, then like them it would soon become evident because they would not be in harmony with the rest of the Bible.

The 'ransom' in effect actually starts at Genesis 3:15 where we are informed that the 'seed' of God's woman would at the appointed time be bruised in the heel [Golgtha], from which in 33C.E. it recovered after having fufilled the task of paying the corresponding 'ransom' for Adam's iniquity.

Cherry picking? I do not think so, because in addition to the scriptures already cited on this matter; we also have the Apostle Paul's words to Timothy: "For there in ine God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a corresponding ransom for for all..." (1 Timothy 2:5, 6)

The point which you are missing, is that the Gospel of the kingdom is the provision of this kingdom by which all of mankind during the thousand year reign of the Christ; will be resurrected and brought up to perfection and then those found worthy after Satan has been let loose for a short period; will enjoy everlasting life on earth as perfect humans under paradisaical conditions as originally intended by Almighty God. This then is the Good news [Gospel] of the kingdom!

Alexander
 
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cerialis said:
The point which you are missing, is that the Gospel of the kingdom is the provision of this kingdom by which all of mankind during the thousand year reign of the Christ; will be resurrected and brought up to perfection and then those found worthy after Satan has been let loose for a short period; will enjoy everlasting life on earth as perfect humans under paradisaical conditions as originally intended by Almighty God. This then is the Good news [Gospel] of the kingdom!

Alexander
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First of all Alex I am not here to approve or disprove of anyone. I really don't care what you believe or don't believe, that's between you and God. I have these conversations to clarify my own revelation.
(Heb 1:1 [WORNT])
God, who at sundry times, and various ways, spake of old unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken to us by his Son,

>>> This then is the Good news [Gospel] of the kingdom!<<<<
And Jesus taught this where???? What verse and chapter in the Gospels does Jesus teach this??????
If this was the Gospel of Jesus then surly you can produce where Jesus taught this.
This is our impass, your inability to prove what you teach as coming from Jesus.
Quoting everyone but Jesus does not prove your gospel is the Gospel of Jesus.
In your gospel everyone but Jesus knows what the gospel is. How weird is that?

I have missed nothing, because I 0nly teach what Jesus taught. I will not,"Add, Subtract, Twist, Distort, Modify, Defy, Cut and Paste, Dismiss the Authority of Jesus, and shamelessly place words in His mouth He didn't speak", but you have done all of this. You have a systematic theology which mangles the teachings of scripture and is not in harmony with Jesus. Oh! Yes! It sounds good, but when held up to the light of Jesus the imperfections and contradictions become obvious. What is very obvious is your inability to teach what Jesus taught or even quote Him.

However, most interestingly because of our conversations I have found scripture [Words of Jesus] in the Gospels that you could have used in your arguments, but you are quite oblivious to those words of Jesus because you don't recognize His authority. Your authority is the systematic theology you follow.
Your welcome to believe what ever your systematic teachings say, but I'll stick with Jesus.
 
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