There Will Be No Future Millennium On This Earth, A False Teaching Of Man

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Truth7t7

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Read six even slower....are you of Israel are you a jew? If not are you the seed of Abraham?
Your catching on, keep it up :)

Galatians 3:16KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

The Church is the Israel of God, Children of the promised seed

They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:

They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:

Roman's 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
 
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The Church is the Israel of God, Children of the promised seed

They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:

They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:

Roman's 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Hi Truth7t7

I am convinced that replacement theology is correct not because of the passages that you quote but because of personal revelation from God through the Holy Spirit. Of course I can now verify it through the words of the bible as you have just done in Romans 9 vs 6-8.

But replacement theology is a bit incorrect in it's wording. God really has replaced the Jews of Old with the whole world (Gentiles) but also including them (the Jews of today) in the whole world as gentiles.

So it is not really a replacement but rather a type of evolution where the Jews were a shadow of what the entire whole world was to become.

I find this site a type of convulsion as I become nauseated with the never ending debates that are irksome to God. I have seem this before at another site and I had to leave that site about 2 years ago, when God called me to serve Him.

My aim in my personal ministry is not to prove anything to anyone but to proclaim that Jesus Christ is the way to God and to lift up His name and to find more ways than I now am doing to serve Him better.
 

Truth7t7

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Hi Truth7t7

I am convinced that replacement theology is correct not because of the passages that you quote but because of personal revelation from God through the Holy Spirit. Of course I can now verify it through the words of the bible as you have just done in Romans 9 vs 6-8.

But replacement theology is a bit incorrect in it's wording. God really has replaced the Jews of Old with the whole world (Gentiles) but also including them (the Jews of today) in the whole world as gentiles.

So it is not really a replacement but rather a type of evolution where the Jews were a shadow of what the entire whole world was to become.

I find this site a type of convulsion as I become nauseated with the never ending debates that are irksome to God. I have seem this before at another site and I had to leave that site about 2 years ago, when God called me to serve Him.

My aim in my personal ministry is not to prove anything to anyone but to proclaim that Jesus Christ is the way to God and to lift up His name and to find more ways than I now am doing to serve Him better.
Jesus Christ through the seed of Abraham is the olive tree, those who receive Jesus Christ and his salvation through the cross of Calvary become the Israel of God, and are called children of the promised seed

Thanks for the response

Galatians 3:16KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
 

Truth7t7

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Hi Truth7t7

I am convinced that replacement theology is correct not because of the passages that you quote but because of personal revelation from God through the Holy Spirit. Of course I can now verify it through the words of the bible as you have just done in Romans 9 vs 6-8.

But replacement theology is a bit incorrect in it's wording. God really has replaced the Jews of Old with the whole world (Gentiles) but also including them (the Jews of today) in the whole world as gentiles.

So it is not really a replacement but rather a type of evolution where the Jews were a shadow of what the entire whole world was to become.

I find this site a type of convulsion as I become nauseated with the never ending debates that are irksome to God. I have seem this before at another site and I had to leave that site about 2 years ago, when God called me to serve Him.

My aim in my personal ministry is not to prove anything to anyone but to proclaim that Jesus Christ is the way to God and to lift up His name and to find more ways than I now am doing to serve Him better.
It's not replacement theology, it's called inheritance of Israel
 
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I am completely lost as to what you are saying. I would prefer if you would say in plain English in your own words what you believe is presently taking place in the world and what you believe will take place in the near future (if you are privy to that information).

Or then again in your own words what you think the bible says will be taking place next?

I'd be more than happy to share thank you.
Replacement theology was taught in the early church and many persist that it still holds true.
It's a lie and anti-Semitic in its message.
God has what are called appointed days which the jews refer to as the feast days.
Now considering that Jesus with his birth, death and resurrection have fulfilled 4 of the feast days it is no stretch that the others will be fulfilled according to the promise.

I read one of your post and thought that you agreed with the replacement theology. But according to your above post it seems that you might not and that you believe in some Jewish fulfillment prophecy in the coming future. Let me know.
Revelation is a picture of God himself redeeming all of Israel in the physical. We are redeemed in the spiritual.
Replacement theology says the church is Israel that God replaced Israel with the church......not so.
This theology also claims no millennial rule of 1000 yrs which is right in the book of revelation.
In short God will redeem his chosen according to the order of the feast days....why you may ask? Because Jesus is the high priest, he also said not 1 jot or tittle of his word shall be erased untill all is fulfilled.

All is not fulfilled as of date. In 1948 Israel became a nation again. God's promises to regather his chosen.
Replacement says it has nothing to do with Gods promise.
We are entering to the time of sorrows which is going very quickly as the stage is being set for anti Christ.
 

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Revelation is a picture of God himself redeeming all of Israel in the physical. We are redeemed in the spiritual.
Replacement theology says the church is Israel that God replaced Israel with the church......not so.
This theology also claims no millennial rule of 1000 yrs which is right in the book of revelation.
In short God will redeem his chosen according to the order of the feast days....why you may ask? Because Jesus is the high priest, he also said not 1 jot or tittle of his word shall be erased untill all is fulfilled.

All is not fulfilled as of date. In 1948 Israel became a nation again. God's promises to regather his chosen.
Replacement says it has nothing to do with Gods promise.
We are entering to the time of sorrows which is going very quickly as the stage is being set for anti Christ.
Gods chosen is the Church the Israel of God, it's your false eschatology in dual covenant theology that try's to remove this fact

There is one covenant between God and man, the shed blood upon Calvary (Period)!

Ethnic Jews Race are not the children of God, it's that simple

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
 

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Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) No Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) No Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) No Physical Mortal Humans?


The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time (Fact)

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Every time the Kingdom of God or the Kingdom of Heaven or the Kingdom is mentioned it is talking about the reign of God on Earth as it is in Heaven. Every Jew knew it for it is in all the prophets ... no wonder the crowds gathered.

The church is the heavenly portion. the Jews [when they are converted] will be the earthly portion.
 

Truth7t7

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Every time the Kingdom of God or the Kingdom of Heaven or the Kingdom is mentioned it is talking about the reign of God on Earth as it is in Heaven. Every Jew knew it for it is in all the prophets ... no wonder the crowds gathered.

The church is the heavenly portion. the Jews [when they are converted] will be the earthly portion.
Your claim is false, there is no physical kingdom or mortal humans seen upon this earth in Revelation 20:1-6, a man made fairy tale
 

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WELL, historic premillennialism was around before dispies came about. It was the FIRST view no doubt. ALL the earliest church writings are premill!
 
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Every time the Kingdom of God or the Kingdom of Heaven or the Kingdom is mentioned it is talking about the reign of God on Earth as it is in Heaven. Every Jew knew it for it is in all the prophets ... no wonder the crowds gathered.

The church is the heavenly portion. the Jews [when they are converted] will be the earthly portion.
He won't listen brother, I've tried to steer him from the ditch.
 
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WELL, historic premillennialism was around before dispies came about. It was the FIRST view no doubt. ALL the earliest church writings are premill!
Historic premillennialism, not to be confused with dispensational premil I might add, is definitely the earliest view of eschatology. I also believe historic premil is what the Bible espouses and that's the eschatological view I hold as well.
 
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The millennial kingdom verses exist saying there is one. That much is certain so there will be a millennial kingdom because the Bible says it. I'm open to it being an entirely spiritual kingdom. I don't see why it can't be that.
 

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The saints seen coming out of their graves after the death of Jesus Christ were (Raised From The Dead) just as Lazarus &Tabitha were, who later died in their physical, mortal bodies.

As both Daniel and John clearly have shown, the one future resurrection of all takes place John 5:28-29 at the time the book of life is open Dan 12:1-2, on the (Last Day) John 6:39-40, John 12:48

We will disagree, there is one future time of resurrection of all that have lived, this takes place at the second coming, final judgment, (Last Day) when the book of life will be opened, as Daniel 12:1-2 clearly teaches

1 Corinthians 15:22-24KJV
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end
, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
why would you say they died again ?

There’s no scripture saying that at all . Are you saying they raised from thier graves skeletons and decayed bodies like zombies ? And then they died again and are waiting to be raised again ? That’s not something I would agree with it has no support in scripture all
We know is that a large group of saints which had been sleeping in thier graves rose from the dead after Jesus did .


try looking at it this way who are those in the first resurrection ? How does it identify then right there not what we think but what’s it say ? I think if you can find some scripture about that explaination I’d be willing to hear it but i don’t think it exists I would have to not agree with that whole line of thinking

I don’t think it’s that complex it tells us who’s part of the first resurrection

“ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:

and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, (chapter 6:9-11)

and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; ( the church revelation 13)


and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.”

‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:4-5‬ ‭KJ

so the martyrs who were shown to be waiting in heaven

“ And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.”

‭‭Revelation‬ ‭6:9-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


And the church who doesn’t receive the mark of Satan they are the first resurrection along with the saints of the ot who all had been waiting for the first resurrection to come and he did

“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
‭‭John‬ ‭11:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I would say that the first resurrection is to believe the gospel and be raised to life in Christ , and will be sitting on those thrones judging the world in the judgement of Christ

“Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

those thrones and jidgement they resolved brother is because they accepted the gospel and the judgement of Christ they accepted judgement and came from death to life the rest of the world is going to come to life after them they of the first resurrection are on the thrones judging the world according to the one judgement of Christ the eternal
Gospel

I guess we just disagree but thanks for the chat anyways I do agree with you however that the thousand years isn’t representative of a thousand years literally , I think we see the two resurrections very differently but I’m okay with it
 

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I am not sure how you came by a resurrection in the first century using scripture verses.

Well, I have only been serving God for 3 years and I came to the same conclusion not from putting bible verses together but somehow from understanding scripture generally.

Most of my understanding of the bible comes from revelation and not from studying specific sections of the scriptures. But somehow later on, I have confirmed everything that I got from revelation from studying scripture passages that came into my field of study.

I do not believe in any new prophecy but I have come to believe that the Holy Spirit works in ways that are beyond our understanding.

What exactly is your understanding of the days that we are presently living in. Do you believe that it is possible that no one in these days can become saved. In other words, the grace of God is finished and His Spirit is no longer striving with men? Is this a possibility.
the days we are presently living In is in chapter 13 until the return of Christ we’re living in this time when the kingdom of God is established in heaven and Satan is barred from heaven but for a time he’s on earth warring against us in the church

no I don’t believe anything God offered in the gospel has changed in any way , anyone can be saved the same way as they were then by the same word the same faith the same blood until the end of the world

our time now is existing in a world full of deception and wickedness darkness really we live in this world , but God has given us a light to believe and walk by

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we can believe the gospel and be saved still until the end but we have to acknowledge the truth of the world

“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:17‬ ‭

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬


We’re in a war for our souls but the enemy is unseen

“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

those spiritual forces of Satan in the world are working to blind us to the light of the gospel which saves us

“But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:3-4‬ ‭

I believe salvation remains the same but faith is waning terribly because the gospel is being hidden by the darkness in the world . Yes I believe people can be saved , they have to believe the true gospel Jesus sent into the world for salvation until the end of the world

“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

same doctrine until the end of the world

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the gospel of the kingdom needs to be preached and heard for salvation

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I think mans faith is changing because of false doctrine telling them the gospel no longer applies if you take away the word there can be no faith

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s why Satans plan is to blind minds to the gospel it gives birth to saving faith so of Satan can say “ the word doesn’t apply just to cross “ faith suffers defeat having no food and the cross becomes irrelevant
 

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Historic premillennialism, not to be confused with dispensational premil I might add, is definitely the earliest view of eschatology. I also believe historic premil is what the Bible espouses and that's the eschatological view I hold as well.
Yeah its the #1 game in town. Dispies came along wayyy later and tried to distort some quotes from the church fathers to make it fit.

I do respect many pre-trib preachers, i'd say the best preacher i ever heard was a pre-tribber! So nothing personal against them.

I TRULY dont think eschatology matters that much!
 

Hevosmies

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the days we are presently living In is in chapter 13 until the return of Christ we’re living in this time when the kingdom of God is established in heaven and Satan is barred from heaven but for a time he’s on earth warring against us in the church

no I don’t believe anything God offered in the gospel has changed in any way , anyone can be saved the same way as they were then by the same word the same faith the same blood until the end of the world

our time now is existing in a world full of deception and wickedness darkness really we live in this world , but God has given us a light to believe and walk by

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we can believe the gospel and be saved still until the end but we have to acknowledge the truth of the world

“And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:17‬ ‭

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: Whom resist stedfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭5:8-9‬ ‭KJV‬‬


We’re in a war for our souls but the enemy is unseen

“Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭6:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

those spiritual forces of Satan in the world are working to blind us to the light of the gospel which saves us

“But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭4:3-4‬ ‭

I believe salvation remains the same but faith is waning terribly because the gospel is being hidden by the darkness in the world . Yes I believe people can be saved , they have to believe the true gospel Jesus sent into the world for salvation until the end of the world

“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

same doctrine until the end of the world

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the gospel of the kingdom needs to be preached and heard for salvation

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬


I think mans faith is changing because of false doctrine telling them the gospel no longer applies if you take away the word there can be no faith

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s why Satans plan is to blind minds to the gospel it gives birth to saving faith so of Satan can say “ the word doesn’t apply just to cross “ faith suffers defeat having no food and the cross becomes irrelevant
If the devil is doing all this, how is he bound in your view?
 

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If the devil is doing all this, how is he bound in your view?
through the beast made in his image

“And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

He’s cast out of heaven after Christ is seated in the kingdom into earth

....And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:3, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He gives his power to the beast ruling and acting through his servants

“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I believe the fourty and teo
Months isn’t literal nor the thousand years not literal but I think while Satan is bound himself while the saints rule in heaven that same time the beast is how Satans presence and his kingdom is operating on earth like the opposite of how Gods kingdom operates on
Earth by his presence his spirit which is in heaven

I think Satan works the same way his spirit working through those he corrupted and deceived on earth his operatives who are serving him for his glory

“And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.

And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:4-9, 11-12‬ ‭

see both beasts operate with his authority and by his will I would say evil has some what of a mock trinity operation also

I think the chronological view rather than the overlapping several visions view is what makes
Me see it like I do . I don’t think it’s chronology or literal numbers but a comprehensive view of the heavenly things we can’t see or know even the spiritual war on earth were part of

but it’s just my own thinking about scripture nothing official
And no one needs to agree or be wrong or anything it’s just what I myself think it means
 

Hevosmies

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through the beast made in his image

“And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

He’s cast out of heaven after Christ is seated in the kingdom into earth

....And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:3, 17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He gives his power to the beast ruling and acting through his servants

“And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I believe the fourty and teo
Months isn’t literal nor the thousand years not literal but I think while Satan is bound himself while the saints rule in heaven that same time the beast is how Satans presence and his kingdom is operating on earth like the opposite of how Gods kingdom operates on
Earth by his presence his spirit which is in heaven

I think Satan works the same way his spirit working through those he corrupted and deceived on earth his operatives who are serving him for his glory

“And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.

And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭13:4-9, 11-12‬ ‭

see both beasts operate with his authority and by his will I would say evil has some what of a mock trinity operation also

I think the chronological view rather than the overlapping several visions view is what makes
Me see it like I do . I don’t think it’s chronology or literal numbers but a comprehensive view of the heavenly things we can’t see or know even the spiritual war on earth were part of

but it’s just my own thinking about scripture nothing official
And no one needs to agree or be wrong or anything it’s just what I myself think it means
Now, since the devil is locked out of heaven. WHAT ABOUT at the end of the millennium when the devil is loosened, will he go back to heaven to deceive the nations? Cause in the verses you quoted, hes ALREADY deceiving the nations.
 

Truth7t7

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well the nations are mentioned, Gog and Magog
As was clearly stated, you cant find a physical kingdom, or mortal humans in Revelation 20:1-6

You move in a distraction to this fact, with a citation of Revelation 20:8, after satan has been loosed into the realm of earth

There is no Millennial Kingdom on earth, with mortal humans present in Revelation 20:1-6 as many falsely claim, its a man made fairy tale

The Second Coming Is (The End) Not A Start Of A Millennial Kingdom on Earth

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end,

1 Corinthians 15:21-24 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.