There will be no Rapture!!!

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FollowerofShiloh

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1) No. The two witnesses are OBVIOUSLY Jews. Probably Moses and Elijah.
2) the tribulation will NEVER happen today. Why? Because the Church has not been raptured. Yet.

As soon (or very soon afterward) as the rapture happens, THEN (and only then) the man of sin is revealed.....and Revelation chapter 6 kicks into gear.
You do know Jesus said the Witnesses are Olive Trees and Lampstands?

That's a whole lotta people. More than just Jews, but Jews and Gentiles following Jesus.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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The Church is mentioned only in the first three chapters of Revelation.

Then for some reason?

The word "church" is gone from the rest of the book.

Where'd the church go?????????
Lampstand in Hebrew is symbolism for the Church and even mentioned as a Churches or Church Bodies in Revelation 1.

20...the seven lampstands are the seven churches


And the Two Witnesses are called Lampstands in Revelation 11.

4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.

God called the Jewish Believers olive trees and Paul said Gentiles are grafted into the olive trees.
 

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When do you think the beheaded coming alive and reigning could ever take place other than the beginning of the 1,000 year Reign?

I don't recall ever making any claim about 1,007 years.
How many years will be the Tribulation spoken of?
 

Genez

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Lampstand in Hebrew is symbolism for the Church and even mentioned as a Churches or Church Bodies in Revelation 1.

20...the seven lampstands are the seven churches


And the Two Witnesses are called Lampstands in Revelation 11.

4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.

God called the Jewish Believers olive trees and Paul said Gentiles are grafted into the olive trees.

Grafted into the "same blessings."
 

Genez

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When do you think the beheaded coming alive and reigning could ever take place other than the beginning of the 1,000 year Reign?

I don't recall ever making any claim about 1,007 years.
You said those who are beheaded during the seven years (called the great tribulation) will be resurrected to reign for 1000 years.

If in your book there is no seven year Tribulation? That we right now are in the Tribulation?

Why do you agree to their being a 1000 year reign then?
 

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The Bible introduces the AC but in all places he is mentioned he does not make an evil impact until mid point. The Peace Treaty in itself is not Evil.
I disagree with this ^ because (as I've put in past posts):


--"whose COMING / ADVENT / ARRIVAL / PRESENCE / PAROUSIA is after [/according to] the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in..."; which bolded part corresponds with...


--"And the king shall do according to his [own] will... " (with vv.36-44, or 45a covering the first half; whereas chpt 12 concerns the second half [along with 11:45b--"his end"]); which verse 36 corresponds with...


--[both] the FIRST SEAL / the FIRST BIRTH PANG (same thing)... at the START of the "7 yrs"... where Jesus is warning them not to be "deceived"... esp. by "A CERTAIN ONE [G5100 - tis]" coming Matt24:4/Mk13:5... (bringing "deception"--like 2Th2:9 speaks about also!); and where the rider on the white horse with a "BOW" corresponds (where "BOW" often speaks of "DECEPTION" Rev6:2); which corresponds (time-wise) with...


--Daniel 9:27a,26b--"the prince THAT SHALL COME" (and who shall "confirm the covenant FOR ONE WEEK [7 yrs]"); which corresponds with...


--1Jn2:18's "...ye have heard [<--an expression pointing back to OT words] that ANTIchrist IS COMING..." (nothing at all to see here, folks, move along... "ANTIchrist" is supposedly something virtuous, or at least innocuous?? I think NOT!); which corresponds with...


--Jn5:43's "[I am come in My Father's name, and ye receive Me not]: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive."




[I think there are more references... but I'm getting tired from typing, lol]


Yeah, basically "all bad" from the beginning... (not saying all of it will be overtly noticeable by all! No! For example, "ANTIchrist" can mean like a pseudo-christ)
 

FollowerofShiloh

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Grafted into the "same blessings."
The point I was making was lampstand is Hebrew and Biblical symbolism for Body of Believers or Church and we see it mentioned in Revelation chapter 11. So Church is being mentioned well after chapter 3.
 

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You said those who are beheaded during the seven years (called the great tribulation) will be resurrected to reign for 1000 years.

If in your book there is no seven year Tribulation? That we right now are in the Tribulation?

Why do you agree to their being a 1000 year reign then?
I said they come alive and Reign with Christ. I just figured we all know that would not be until the 1,000 years after Armageddon.
 

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I disagree with this ^ because (as I've put in past posts):


--"whose COMING / ADVENT / ARRIVAL / PRESENCE / PAROUSIA is after [/according to] the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in..."; which bolded part corresponds with...


--"And the king shall do according to his [own] will... " (with vv.36-44, or 45a covering the first half; whereas chpt 12 concerns the second half [along with 11:45b--"his end"]); which verse 36 corresponds with...


--[both] the FIRST SEAL / the FIRST BIRTH PANG (same thing)... at the START of the "7 yrs"... where Jesus is warning them not to be "deceived"... esp. by "A CERTAIN ONE [G5100 - tis]" coming Matt24:4/Mk13:5... (bringing "deception"--like 2Th2:9 speaks about also!); and where the rider on the white horse with a "BOW" corresponds (where "BOW" often speaks of "DECEPTION" Rev6:2); which corresponds (time-wise) with...


--Daniel 9:27a,26b--"the prince THAT SHALL COME" (and who shall "confirm the covenant FOR ONE WEEK [7 yrs]"); which corresponds with...


--1Jn2:18's "...ye have heard [<--an expression pointing back to OT words] that ANTIchrist IS COMING..." (nothing at all to see here, folks, move along... "ANTIchrist" is supposedly something virtuous, or at least innocuous?? I think NOT!); which corresponds with...


--Jn5:43's "[I am come in My Father's name, and ye receive Me not]: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive."




[I think there are more references... but I'm getting tired from typing, lol]


Yeah, basically "all bad" from the beginning... (not saying all of it will be overtly noticeable by all! No!)
You know in the USA last 2023 between January 1 and May31 we broke a record for Tornadoes at 380ish and Tornado season doesn't really begin until late May going all Summer long?

That seems pretty bad for that time stand.

Well, this year 2024, we just finished May and into June and for the same time span between January 1 to May 31, we had 804 Tornadoes, literally smashing the record of 380ish and more than doubling that record all within 1 years time. And now we are into Tornado Season and about to see new records made and old broken.


The same thing can be said for areas known for Earthquakes, Tsunamis, Natural Disasters. Records everywhere are being broken and general human and animal lives are lost by them.

We could be in Tribulation now by how the Earth is acting, what we are seeing because these are the things that will be happen during the 7 years. We are NOT in the Tribulation yet because Israel has not made a ""Peace Treaty"" but Weather Pattern wise, we are already experiencing it.

I would imagine in the final 3 1/2 years that Tornado count would be 5,000. But for the first half no more than 804 to 2,000. But if we are here in 2025, no doubt 804, the NEW RECORD, will be smashed. Every year it has gotten worse. This is Tribulation of its own kind.
 

Genez

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You know in the USA last 2023 between January 1 and May31 we broke a record for Tornadoes at 380ish and Tornado season doesn't really begin until late May going all Summer long?

That seems pretty bad for that time stand.

Well, this year 2024, we just finished May and into June and for the same time span between January 1 to May 31, we had 804 Tornadoes, literally smashing the record of 380ish and more than doubling that record all within 1 years time. And now we are into Tornado Season and about to see new records made and old broken.


The same thing can be said for areas known for Earthquakes, Tsunamis, Natural Disasters. Records everywhere are being broken and general human and animal lives are lost by them.

We could be in Tribulation now by how the Earth is acting, what we are seeing because these are the things that will be happen during the 7 years. We are NOT in the Tribulation yet because Israel has not made a ""Peace Treaty"" but Weather Pattern wise, we are already experiencing it.

I would imagine in the final 3 1/2 years that Tornado count would be 5,000. But for the first half no more than 804 to 2,000. But if we are here in 2025, no doubt 804, the NEW RECORD, will be smashed. Every year it has gotten worse. This is Tribulation of its own kind.
Do you live where they get tornadoes?
Or, are those stats you are reading?
I do. And, we used to get a lot more than in recent years....
Did not hear a tornado warning in over a year.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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Do you live where they get tornadoes?
Or, are those stats you are reading?
I do. And, we used to get a lot more than in recent years....
Did not hear a tornado warning in over a year.
One has to be a denier of the truth unless they are not paying attention.

Those are stats but even from May 13 of this year ABC reported:
May 13, 2024 — US is experiencing more tornado outbreaks than ever before
 

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One has to be a denier of the truth unless they are not paying attention.

Those are stats but even from May 13 of this year ABC reported:
May 13, 2024 — US is experiencing more tornado outbreaks than ever before

ABC???? So is the lying global warming stats that are on ABC paper.

Are there more tornadoes now than before in the USA?
There is no real evidence that tornadoes are happening more often. A lot more are being recorded now than in 1950, but a closer look at the data shows the increase is only in the weakest category, EF0. There's been no increase in stronger twisters, and maybe even a slight decrease in EF4s and EF5s.Oct 19, 2023
Tornadoes and Global Warming: Is There a Connection?
nationalgeographic.org


The twisters ABC speaks of must have moved elsewhere then.
There was a period we used to get siren warnings almost weekly.
I remember seeing rain being blown horizontally.... parallel with the ground.

Now, if the tornadoes take place on the plains? They do little damage to human life.
Maybe that's where they went up in number.

So? I wonder where they went, and pray they stay there.

Find out where they have gone up, why don't you?
 

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ABC???? So is the lying global warming stats that are on ABC paper.

Are there more tornadoes now than before in the USA?
There is no real evidence that tornadoes are happening more often. A lot more are being recorded now than in 1950, but a closer look at the data shows the increase is only in the weakest category, EF0. There's been no increase in stronger twisters, and maybe even a slight decrease in EF4s and EF5s.Oct 19, 2023
Tornadoes and Global Warming: Is There a Connection?
nationalgeographic.org


The twisters ABC speaks of must have moved elsewhere then.
There was a period we used to get siren warnings almost weekly.
I remember seeing rain being blown horizontally.... parallel with the ground.

Now, if the tornadoes take place on the plains? They do little damage to human life.
Maybe that's where they went up in number.

So? I wonder where they went, and pray they stay there.

Find out where they have gone up, why don't you?
Nope. Tornado seasons have been very quiet the last decade or more.
The last big outbreak was April 2011.
 

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One has to be a denier of the truth unless they are not paying attention.

Those are stats but even from May 13 of this year ABC reported:
May 13, 2024 — US is experiencing more tornado outbreaks than ever before
I am a bit of a tornado guru buddy. I can tell you what tornado and when with 15 seconds of video.
I have studied every single significant tornado and outbreak for the last 200 years. I literally know them all by heart.
And ancient accounts going back to the medieval period.

Here is a good book for you......from the actual tornado guru.

Significant Tornadoes 1680-1991/a Chronology and Analysis of Events: Grazulis, Thomas P.: 9781879362031: Books - Amazon.ca
 

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One has to be a denier of the truth unless they are not paying attention.

Those are stats but even from May 13 of this year ABC reported:
May 13, 2024 — US is experiencing more tornado outbreaks than ever before
ABC news is useless rubbish brain blender propaganda.

"The tornado outbreak sequence of May 1896 was a series of violent and deadly tornado outbreaks that struck much of the Central and Southern United States from May 15 to 28, 1896. It is considered one of the worst tornado outbreak sequences on record with tornado expert Tom Grazulis stating that the week of May 24–28 was "perhaps the most violent single week of tornado activity in United States history".[1] There were four particularly notable tornado outbreaks during the two-week period. It produced three F5 tornadoes as well as the third deadliest tornado ever in United States history. A total of at least 484 people were killed during the entire outbreak sequence by at least 38 different tornadoes which struck Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Kentucky, Iowa, Illinois, Michigan, Missouri, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and Maryland.[nb 1][nb 2] "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torna..._May_1896#Ortonville–Thomas–Oakwood,_Michigan

This monster struck right where I used to live in Michigan.
 

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One has to be a denier of the truth unless they are not paying attention.

Those are stats but even from May 13 of this year ABC reported:
May 13, 2024 — US is experiencing more tornado outbreaks than ever before
Unequaled to this present day.....
And this was when the population density was FAR less than today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri-State_tornado_outbreak

On March 18, 1925, one of the deadliest tornado outbreaks in recorded history generated at least twelve significant tornadoes and spanned a large portion of the midwestern and southern United States. In all, at least 751 people were killed and more than 2,298[2] were injured, making the outbreak the deadliest tornado outbreak, March 18 the deadliest tornado day, and 1925 the deadliest tornado year in U.S. history.
 

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Washington Post [Right Wing News Paper]

4 days ago — In fact, exactly 1,000 tornadoes have been tallied so far. April and May were the second most active on record


Try yanking your heads out of the sand it's beginning to match your theology!
 

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Washington Post [Right Wing News Paper]

4 days ago — In fact, exactly 1,000 tornadoes have been tallied so far. April and May were the second most active on record


Try yanking your heads out of the sand it's beginning to match your theology!
This year has been pathetic. Years prior have been a total washout.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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This year has been pathetic. Years prior have been a total washout.
Yeah, I am only talking this year.
Kind of interesting with everyone looking at 2024 as being the end of the 50th jubilee and all of this weather abnormality.