There will be no Rapture!!!
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Do you think parables are fictional stories? I ask because I'm left thinking that as it appears you think the coming and going of a demon doesn't really happen. Jesus made up the story to illustrate a truth?
Whether it is a parable (or analogy which is what I believe), I see no reason to think that demons coming and going is not something that occurs in reality. All of Jesus parables have their basis in reality.
Whether it is a parable (or analogy which is what I believe), I see no reason to think that demons coming and going is not something that occurs in reality. All of Jesus parables have their basis in reality.
I see them as true, and do you think all parables are literal?
Let me explain by using another parable, where you may agree with me.
Matt 13:45 "Again the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking beautiful pearls, who when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had and bought it."
This parable is not about a real merchant and it is not about a real pearl of such beauty.
The merchant is Jesus Christ, we are the beautiful pearls and the pearl of great price is the Bride, whom Jesus paid all that He had(even His own life)... for us.
If someone starts to tell me that this story shows me that there are literally merchants out there that will sell all they have for beautiful pearls and therefore is a great picture with great truths is the same as trying to tell me the man in Luke has demons that come and go as they please so I guess I'm just going to hope we can agree to disagree on that point and be happy we have differing views.
Matt 13:45 "Again the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking beautiful pearls, who when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had and bought it."
This parable is not about a real merchant and it is not about a real pearl of such beauty.
The merchant is Jesus Christ, we are the beautiful pearls and the pearl of great price is the Bride, whom Jesus paid all that He had(even His own life)... for us.
If someone starts to tell me that this story shows me that there are literally merchants out there that will sell all they have for beautiful pearls and therefore is a great picture with great truths is the same as trying to tell me the man in Luke has demons that come and go as they please so I guess I'm just going to hope we can agree to disagree on that point and be happy we have differing views.
But pearls and merchants are real! And used as examples to make a point about truth.
Likewise, it is real when demons cause some people to function as someone disabled by a medical condition.
But, in their case? Their disablement was not caused by some disease. It only appeared to be.
In the Book of Job Satan's power was used to give Job skin cancer!
So...
When someone who is wheeled in a wheel chair goes before a charlatan? A charlatan as Jesus described in Matthew 7:21-23?
When spoken a command which will be given in the name of Jesus? Demons love to deceive believers!
Certain demons are in agreement to deceive. So that when the agent of Satan who claims to be a servant of Christ
commands a condition to be healed in the name of Jesus? The demon will gladly remove their effects from that body
to make the deception complete.
And, in doing so. It causes naïve believers (and superstitious unbelievers) to become disciples of the alleged Christian leader.
"I never knew you?"
That means, those alleged Christian healers were never saved!
We need to know and accept these things to be protected from evil deception which is wanting to draw believers away from sound doctrinal teachings.
In Christ.....
Likewise, it is real when demons cause some people to function as someone disabled by a medical condition.
But, in their case? Their disablement was not caused by some disease. It only appeared to be.
In the Book of Job Satan's power was used to give Job skin cancer!
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven,
but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name,
and cast out demons in your name, and do many miracles in your name?’
And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers
of lawlessness.’ Matthew 7:21-23
So...
When someone who is wheeled in a wheel chair goes before a charlatan? A charlatan as Jesus described in Matthew 7:21-23?
When spoken a command which will be given in the name of Jesus? Demons love to deceive believers!
Certain demons are in agreement to deceive. So that when the agent of Satan who claims to be a servant of Christ
commands a condition to be healed in the name of Jesus? The demon will gladly remove their effects from that body
to make the deception complete.
And, in doing so. It causes naïve believers (and superstitious unbelievers) to become disciples of the alleged Christian leader.
On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name,
and cast out demons in your name, and do many miracles in your name?’
And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers
of lawlessness.’ Matthew 7:21-23
"I never knew you?"
That means, those alleged Christian healers were never saved!
We need to know and accept these things to be protected from evil deception which is wanting to draw believers away from sound doctrinal teachings.
In Christ.....
I don't see parables as literal but they are based on real events. Merchants are real, valuables pearls are real. Merchants seeking valuable pearls is real and the ability to sell all you have to gain one is real. If none of those things were a reality then Jesus could not say "the Kingdom of God is like.."
Ergo demons leaving a person is real, wandering is real, returning to the body they left is real, gathering other demons to join is real. To say these things don't really happen because it's a story? I see no justification for it.
Agreeing to disagree is what I can agree on.
Ergo demons leaving a person is real, wandering is real, returning to the body they left is real, gathering other demons to join is real. To say these things don't really happen because it's a story? I see no justification for it.
Agreeing to disagree is what I can agree on.
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Yes they have to be real so they can convey a picture, project a shadow, give us a type so we can have allegory and metaphor.
Lambs are real!
When John said "behold the Lamb of God" he was pointing to Jesus the unblemished lamb of God.
If Jesus held a lead and was leading a pet lamb down to the Jordan the onlookers would be mighty confused and a little bit perplexed at John, for we must remove the literal from the scenario to see the picture.
In other words Jesus is not literally or really a lamb, He is not literally a merchant and we are not really pearls although they paint a great picture declaring many things about the Lord and us.
The parable in Luke about the man/house where the spirit has been vacated is a picture a type declaring to us truths just like the Lamb, the merchant and the pearl, to me its not about the literal rendering it's not about an actual man, a house, a wooly little lamb or a nice old merchant its about Israel and their denial of their Messiah, and even though they will be swept clean and put in order, its temporarily. For me one day and probably soon they will again see what real demonic activity is.
Lambs are real!
When John said "behold the Lamb of God" he was pointing to Jesus the unblemished lamb of God.
If Jesus held a lead and was leading a pet lamb down to the Jordan the onlookers would be mighty confused and a little bit perplexed at John, for we must remove the literal from the scenario to see the picture.
In other words Jesus is not literally or really a lamb, He is not literally a merchant and we are not really pearls although they paint a great picture declaring many things about the Lord and us.
The parable in Luke about the man/house where the spirit has been vacated is a picture a type declaring to us truths just like the Lamb, the merchant and the pearl, to me its not about the literal rendering it's not about an actual man, a house, a wooly little lamb or a nice old merchant its about Israel and their denial of their Messiah, and even though they will be swept clean and put in order, its temporarily. For me one day and probably soon they will again see what real demonic activity is.