There will be no Rapture!!!

[Aaron56]

Most of his body has died. Are you under the belief that only a small part of his body will suffer through the tribulation? Will his whole body be resurrected to suffer through it, lol?

God does not distribute grace equally. He's not a human rights activist. He promises, however, grace for whatever measure of trial we face. The saints who are on the earth when the tribulation comes will most definitely be prepared.

In this era, it is to the church that God the Father gave the divine calling to present, as living representatives, the manifold wisdom of God.

To put it another way: the saints specifically called to show the wisdom of God to the enemy and to anyone who opposes God.

"..and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ; to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places, according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord, in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him. Therefore I ask that you do not lose heart at my tribulations for you, which is your glory."

The pre-tribbers, at the culmination of the age, would have God turn tail and run and evacuate the saints from certain destruction. As if to say, "There is no way I can protect you from the Enemy in this time."

From where do you suppose the doctrine of a weak church, so unable to stand against an enemy that it needs rescuing, originated?

 

[John146]

To believe in no rapture at all, one must believe that the church has replaced Israel. Yes?

God does not distribute grace equally. He's not a human rights activist. He promises, however, grace for whatever measure of trial we face. The saints who are on the earth when the tribulation comes will most definitely be prepared.

In this era, it is to the church that God the Father gave the divine calling to present, as living representatives, the manifold wisdom of God.

To put it another way: the saints specifically called to show the wisdom of God to the enemy and to anyone who opposes God.

"..and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ; to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places, according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord, in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him. Therefore I ask that you do not lose heart at my tribulations for you, which is your glory."

The pre-tribbers, at the culmination of the age, would have God turn tail and run and evacuate the saints from certain destruction. As if to say, "There is no way I can protect you from the Enemy in this time."

From where do you suppose the doctrine of a weak church, so unable to stand against an enemy that it needs rescuing, originated?

Why the warning not to take the mark of the beast? Is it a possibility?

Weak church? Take a look around. The modern day church is very weak...aka, the Laodicean Age church.

 

[Aaron56]

Weak church? Take a look around. The modern day church is very weak...aka, the Laodicean Age church.

There is no time like the present to submit to God, and by constant practice, become mature. Most Sunday Boxes are not equipped for such work.

 

[John146]

The pre-tribbers, at the culmination of the age, would have God turn tail and run and evacuate the saints from certain destruction. As if to say, "There is no way I can protect you from the Enemy in this time."

Or, the Lord knows how bad it's going to get, so he comes to the rescue of his bride.

 

[Aaron56]

Or, the Lord knows how bad it's going to get, so he comes to the rescue of his bride.

Nope.

"..and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ; to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places, according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord, in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him. Therefore I ask that you do not lose heart at my tribulations for you, which is your glory."

This is "Christ in us, the hope of glory" on display in the earth.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

God ain't Concerned about OUR COMFORT!

Must be a "Different Jesus," then, as This is "The God" that I [ and others ] know:

"Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father​

Of Mercies, and The God of All Comfort; Who Comforteth us in all our​

tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any​

trouble, by The Comfort wherewith we ourselves Are Comforted Of God."​

(2 Co 1:3-4)​

Amen.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

From where do you suppose the doctrine of a weak church, so unable to stand against an enemy that it needs rescuing, originated?

From Satan?

The pre-tribbers, at the culmination of the age, would have God turn tail and run and evacuate the saints from certain destruction.

Incorrect, as pre-tribbers know That God, at The Culmination Of His
Dispensation Of Grace, Will Remove His ambassadors Before [ Resuming
His Prophetic Program, and ]:

Declaring War And Judgment On an UNbelieving world, with:

His Great GRACE Departure!

Amen.

 

[Edify]

I'm irked when someone posts "So-and-so said Irenaeus wrote this & that", then someone else does the same things to counter it.
Why not show us where to download his writings, or post directly his writings(with context) that plainly says it?

 

[ResidentAlien]

I'm irked when someone posts "So-and-so said Irenaeus wrote this & that", then someone else does the same things to counter it.
Why not show us where to download his writings, or post directly his writings(with context) that plainly says it?

I posted a video that's full of references. If you choose not to watch it that's not my problem, I posted references.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

I'm irked when someone posts "So-and-so said Irenaeus wrote this & that", then someone else does the same things to counter it.
Why not show us where to download his writings, or post directly his writings(with context) that plainly says it?

Probably better just to "stay with The Scriptures," and Bible "study" Rules!

Rather than resorting to Extra-Biblical sources, eh?

Amen.

 

[John146]

Nope.

"..and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God who created all things through Jesus Christ; to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places, according to the eternal purpose which He accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord, in whom we have boldness and access with confidence through faith in Him. Therefore I ask that you do not lose heart at my tribulations for you, which is your glory."

This is "Christ in us, the hope of glory" on display in the earth.

At what point in human history does the Lord resurrect the saints bodies and catch them up along with those who are alive and remain to meet the Lord in the air? Do we meet the Lord in the air only to U-Turn back down?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Must be a "Different Jesus," then, as This is "The God" that I [ and others ] know:

"Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father​

Of Mercies, and The God of All Comfort; Who Comforteth us in all our​

tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any​

trouble, by The Comfort wherewith we ourselves Are Comforted Of God."​

(2 Co 1:3-4)​

Amen.

If you have been in a Valley before, you understand typically some kind of Loss has taken place. Paul, at times, was freedom and punishment for no wrong doing. But Paul saw the Trial, the LOSS of COMFORT to the flesh, COMFORTING to the Soul. We will have many Valleys in our lives and each time there is TWO Comforts being displayed. the Loss of Comfort in life and the gain of COMFORT in God.

There has "never" been a Valley we all must go through, that we don't have the Scar to look back at how God refined us to Prepare us for the next Purpose God has for us. And like Paul, Peter, all of them in general, they kept in a Constant Flow of Trial/Victory and they died like Martyrs because God got Glory out of their Commitment unto Him!

 

[Aaron56]

Do we meet the Lord in the air only to U-Turn back down?

Yes. We are given our spiritual bodies first. This will be a witness to the whole earth.

And, He's not concerned about the heaven He is leaving: it will be replaced.

 

[Edify]

I posted a video that's full of references. If you choose not to watch it that's not my problem, I posted references.

I'm not accepting people I don't know saying, "This person wrote..."
We're living in a world of disinformation. How foolish to receive blindly what some PHD said.
The elitists are controlling the govt. & universities.... How can you expect them NOT to be controlling the seminaries?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I'm not accepting people I don't know saying, "This person wrote..."
We're living in a world of disinformation. How foolish to receive blindly what some PHD said.
The elitists are controlling the govt. & universities.... How can you expect them NOT to be controlling the seminaries?

how are you unaware of the People who came after the Disciples and end of the Age of Apostles and entered into the Age of Church Fathers?

the Church Fathers, in especially the accounts of the the Apostle John's own Disciples, who were known as Church Fathers, had much to offer because they taught us things John believed in connection to the Bible, but we don't read in the Bible.

The Bible is the Holy Spirit Inspiring you to write about things.
But when you are not writing and living life, we explain things we write in a different view.
and John's Disciples does that and it helps us understand the Gospel of John, John I-II-III, and Revelation a little more insightful.

The Church Fathers gives us that [what the Disciples of Jesus] [after Resurrection of Jesus] behind closed doors, sitting around the table, discussing what they actually believe this Verse means...kind of view.

It's really cool seeing how Jesus Disciples describes Jesus and His Words to how then the Disciples own Disciples later write about this Second Hand in personal viewpoint format.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I'm not accepting people I don't know saying, "This person wrote..."
We're living in a world of disinformation. How foolish to receive blindly what some PHD said.
The elitists are controlling the govt. & universities.... How can you expect them NOT to be controlling the seminaries?

LOL, okay. I'm beginning to have a hunch someone could put an original copy of Irenaeus in your hands with all the relevant passages indexed and highlighted and you'd complain you had to open it and turn the pages.

 

[John146]

Yes. We are given our spiritual bodies first. This will be a witness to the whole earth.

And, He's not concerned about the heaven He is leaving: it will be replaced.

We go up, get our bodies and come back down? What about the JSOC? What about the wedding?

 

[Aaron56]

We go up, get our bodies and come back down? What about the JSOC? What about the wedding?

JSOC?

What about them?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

God said, Let there be Light!
within a twinkling of an eye, Light, existed.

twinkling of an eye, can cover 20 Doctrines, in less than 7 blinks, of the eye lid open/close, before 1 second on the clock ticks

 

[Blade]

So that's it OP? Just Rev to back up what you stated? Hello? This is why its not worth to talk about here.

I had to really search on this so many years ago. I could not just GOOGLE it. See just with GOOGLE "some" things for some odd reason get buried so far back where as "other" search engines they don't. So I as always searched again and found stopped looking.. 8 eight and a hymn writer dating back from 60-400ad that wrote about Christ coming back before the great tribulation. Oh and it was written talked about in 1600. So its not worth talking about if were going to clearly not search and ignore this because or our "personal" belief.

Its so odd well they just wrote what they believed. Its not called "proof" there's a pre-trib. Its strange odd that in 2023 and we have so much information at our finger tips and we don't search? Then people will still keep posting yet ignoring all this. You can't any more.

There is no video no post no web site I need to link. See I like so many heard about this growing up but at some point I went seeking asking and could not find pre mid post in the bible. Each one posts scriptures yet each one leaves out scriptures. So since I can not find it clearly written...I think.. well He went back and said He will come get me so where (in heaven) He is I will be. I pray I and found worthy to escape and know I will never see my Fathers wrath which is coming on the whole world and all in it.

So I think.. might be best to just look up have faith believe now so that I am always thinking about Him and am ready now. I will never miss Him. If I know its post trib and He comes pre then I will miss Him. He will not go against YOUR will. Just be ready now