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GraceAndTruth

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The TWO WITNESSES are (IF YOU READ THE ENTIRE TEXT ON THAT)
1. TWO OLIVE TREES cultivated olive-Jews wild olive-Gentiles grafted together they are the church
2. TWO LAMPSTANDS The Holy Spirit of truth and scripture

Symbolically those are pictured as dead
Very little in Revelation is literal, symbolism and metaphors abound
 

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Its not a "whaling wall".........no whales in sight
it is called the wailing wall.
And the position of it was always in question but to admit that would be heresy for the Jews who adore that piece of wall.
Only Christian call it a the wailing wall, and JEWS TAK OFFENSE TO THAT TITLE.

Please keep this site from being derailed into a prophecy thread. I had little to do with PROPHECY, as it a NEWs from ISRAEL thread focusing on Focus on finds in the City of David, that prove the TEMPLE belongs there some feet further to the south. Any archaeological find proving that Location is correct would be appropriate. Also any rules that the JEWs must do first, also would be appropriate.
 

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I found a video by Nick VanderLaan a student Archaeologists who made some interesting discoveries. He found a repurposed block that had been part of the wall on the so-called temple mount area. This block has a wreath and two flowers on it.
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With a faint outline of some figure on highlighted in pink. It has been chiseled of, because Muslims when they captured enemy strongholds, frequently chiseled of an face of a human or animal. The intense search pulled up Roman Insignia called Standards. The Tenth Legion had a Standard insignia of an EAGLE, perched on the Crosspiece like this:

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Here is the Roman Tenth Legion that sows the type of Perch it would have been. That shows the Roman Tenth Legion insignia embroidered in cloth.

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The lines on that prove the Size and only a wing fits there. So we can assume this is a TENTH LEGION INSIGNIA.

Why is that important ? ? ? Jews want to believe it was on a ROMAN COHORT, and a Cohort only had at the Most 400 men. I was a FULL LEGION with 10,000 Troops and Support Personel.
So where was the BASE THAT HELD 10,000 military personel.
RIGHT HERE!

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BenjaminN

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Its not a "whaling wall".........no whales in sight
it is called the wailing wall.
And the position of it was always in question but to admit that would be heresy for the Jews who adore that piece of wall.
As VCO and friends showed us in this forum, together with the evidence provided in the 2016 documentary below, shows the location of Solomon's Temple to be in the City of David, and not at the Al-Aqsa Mosque on the so called "Temple Mount".

 

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Only Christian call it a the wailing wall, and JEWS TAK OFFENSE TO THAT TITLE.

Please keep this site from being derailed into a prophecy thread. I had little to do with PROPHECY, as it a NEWs from ISRAEL thread focusing on Focus on finds in the City of David, that prove the TEMPLE belongs there some feet further to the south. Any archaeological find proving that Location is correct would be appropriate. Also any rules that the JEWs must do first, also would be appropriate.
God's prophetic words, from the Tanakh / Old Testament and the Brit Chadashah / New Testament Scripture will be our guidance for discernment, as the covenant people of Israel, of what must be real news first, before the Ezekiel Temple become reality.
 

BenjaminN

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Its not a "whaling wall".........no whales in sight
it is called the wailing wall.
And the position of it was always in question but to admit that would be heresy for the Jews who adore that piece of wall.

Matthew 24 (ESV)


1 Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. 2 But he answered them, "You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down."

... not even a wailing wall will be left, following the destruction of the temple in 70AC, that stood before at the time when Yeshua ha'Mashiach / Jesus the Messiah's.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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The TWO WITNESSES are (IF YOU READ THE ENTIRE TEXT ON THAT)
1. TWO OLIVE TREES cultivated olive-Jews wild olive-Gentiles grafted together they are the church
2. TWO LAMPSTANDS The Holy Spirit of truth and scripture

Symbolically those are pictured as dead
Very little in Revelation is literal, symbolism and metaphors abound
Prophecy is literal, most of revelation is a dealer and more precise opening up of the prophecies of Daniel 2 and 9, it speaks of the final form of the final gentile empire and what will happen to the world at that time. Many people call revelation the NT daniel for that reason.

the two witnesses are dead, lying in the streets, they are risen from the dead and ascend into heaven, it appears many are saved by this event. It is not symbolic, nothing symbolic about it
 
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I found a video by Nick VanderLaan a student Archaeologists who made some interesting discoveries. He found a repurposed block that had been part of the wall on the so-called temple mount area. This block has a wreath and two flowers on it.
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With a faint outline of some figure on highlighted in pink. It has been chiseled of, because Muslims when they captured enemy strongholds, frequently chiseled of an face of a human or animal. The intense search pulled up Roman Insignia called Standards. The Tenth Legion had a Standard insignia of an EAGLE, perched on the Crosspiece like this:

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Here is the Roman Tenth Legion that sows the type of Perch it would have been. That shows the Roman Tenth Legion insignia embroidered in cloth.

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The lines on that prove the Size and only a wing fits there. So we can assume this is a TENTH LEGION INSIGNIA.

Why is that important ? ? ? Jews want to believe it was on a ROMAN COHORT, and a Cohort only had at the Most 400 men. I was a FULL LEGION with 10,000 Troops and Support Personel.
So where was the BASE THAT HELD 10,000 military personel.
RIGHT HERE!

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Wow great find
 

GraceAndTruth

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Matthew 24 (ESV)


1 Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. 2 But he answered them, "You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down."

... not even a wailing wall will be left, following the destruction of the temple in 70AC, that stood before at the time when Yeshua ha'Mashiach / Jesus the Messiah's.

Jesus said the TEMPLE........nothing about the wall of a fort.
 

GraceAndTruth

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Prophecy is literal, most of revelation is a dealer and more precise opening up of the prophecies of Daniel 2 and 9, it speaks of the final form of the final gentile empire and what will happen to the world at that time. Many people call revelation the NT daniel for that reason.

the two witnesses are dead, lying in the streets, they are risen from the dead and ascend into heaven, it appears many are saved by this event. It is not symbolic, nothing symbolic about it
We are told what the two witness are IN THE SCRIPTURE. But you, of course, know better.
Little of Revelation is literal.......John used a lot of symbolism and metaphor to hide his message from the ROMANS. Romans would not understand the message of John to His beloved churches in Asia, but the churche would and then understand the rumors and reports they would receive of the Jewish war that was to come. (TRib to you) John gave an account of what to expect as well as reminders of the their history......past events.
 

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Only Christian call it a the wailing wall, and JEWS TAK OFFENSE TO THAT TITLE.

Please keep this site from being derailed into a prophecy thread. It has little to do with PROPHECY, as it a NEWs from ISRAEL thread focusing on Focus on finds in the City of David, that prove the TEMPLE belongs there some feet further to the south. Any archaeological find proving that Location is correct would be appropriate. Also any rules that the JEWs must do first, also would be appropriate.
When I requested you go by rules, YOU, GraceAndTruth, responded with: 1602347890240.png BORING

SO, I will handle a kid that does not respect rules, the way my Teacher did in High School in the early 60's.

You are EXCUSED, and you get an Incomplete.
 

VCO

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I found a video by Nick VanderLaan a student Archaeologists who made some interesting discoveries. He found a repurposed block that had been part of the wall on the so-called temple mount area. This block has a wreath and two flowers on it.
View attachment 221757


With a faint outline of some figure on highlighted in pink. It has been chiseled of, because Muslims when they captured enemy strongholds, frequently chiseled of an face of a human or animal. The intense search pulled up Roman Insignia called Standards. The Tenth Legion had a Standard insignia of an EAGLE, perched on the Crosspiece like this:

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Here is the Roman Tenth Legion that sows the type of Perch it would have been. That shows the Roman Tenth Legion insignia embroidered in cloth.

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The lines on that prove the Size and only a wing fits there. So we can assume this is a TENTH LEGION INSIGNIA.

Why is that important ? ? ? Jews want to believe it was on a ROMAN COHORT, and a Cohort only had at the Most 400 men. I was a FULL LEGION with 10,000 Troops and Support Personel.
So where was the BASE THAT HELD 10,000 military personel.
RIGHT HERE!

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You can tell Nick VanderLaan failed his art class in school.

They still sell ROMAN style Rings.




That is a Roman Gold Coin, look at the shape of Wing if you are a Sceptic.

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VCO

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The TWO WITNESSES are (IF YOU READ THE ENTIRE TEXT ON THAT)
1. TWO OLIVE TREES cultivated olive-Jews wild olive-Gentiles grafted together they are the church
2. TWO LAMPSTANDS The Holy Spirit of truth and scripture

Symbolically those are pictured as dead
Very little in Revelation is literal, symbolism and metaphors abound

You will learn, sooner or later.
 

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If that happened the Mother of all wars would break out that will make ISIS look like a bunch of Boy Scouts in comparison
Amos 2:5 plainly tells us how the 'palaces of Jerusalem', will be flattened.
The Lord will do it and He will give the Jesus rejecting people there; no reprieve. Amos 2:4, Isaiah 22:1-14
 

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Yep, that line was a ROMAN EAGLE WING, that was Chipped of with a Chisel, probably by Muslims.

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So that is DEFINATE PROOF that is was a LEGION that was there and NOT a COHORT.
I guess I was wrong, as a Cohort could number as many as 600 Men.

QUOTE:
cohort
[ koh-hawrt ]

noun
a group or company: She has a cohort of admirers.
a companion or associate.
one of the ten divisions in an ancient Roman legion, numbering from 300 to 600 soldiers.
any group of soldiers or warriors.
an accomplice; abettor: He got off with probation, but his cohorts got ten years apiece.
a group of persons sharing a particular statistical or demographic characteristic: the cohort of all children born in 1980.
one of 10 divisions of an ancient Roman Legion.
END QUOTE.

SO, a LEGION could have as many as 6000 TROOPS. Plus 4000 Support Personnel.

THAT DECORATION with the LEGION'S INSIGNIA, would have been on the Outside of the PRATORUIM AND IN THE BASE COMMANDER'S OFFICE, AND at the Main GATE.

More that likely a BUNK would have had 2 people assigned to it, Day Shift and Night Shift.

Therefore a Barracks with 50 Bunks, and would have had 100 people sleeping in those bunks per day.

That would REQUIRE, 60 BARRACKS, IF all of the Support Personnel were housed outside the Fortress Antonia.

With Roman Bath Houses, with CHOW HALLS, with Medical Facilities, with a Hospital, with a Building for Supplies, with Out Houses, with an ARMORY, with ETC.

THINK ABOUT IT.

So lets see if I can find a drawing on the so-called Temple Mount, with 60 Barracks in it ? ? ?


Now THERE is an artist the UNDERSTOOD the Complexity of a Military Base that would house 6000 TROOPS. NOTICE all the Barracks are Two story Barracks. AND LOOK what HE Put above the FRONT GATE. That circular WREATH with the Military INSIGNIA in it.

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NOW WERE IN JERUSALEM DO YOU FIND A FORTRESS ANY WHERE NEAR THAT LARGE. It does not take genius to figure that out.
The Dome of the Rock WAS FORTRESS ANTONIA.
 

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For those with slower PCs, I shrunk that Picture of that Fortress Down a bit.

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We are told what the two witness are IN THE SCRIPTURE. But you, of course, know better.
Little of Revelation is literal.......John used a lot of symbolism and metaphor to hide his message from the ROMANS. Romans would not understand the message of John to His beloved churches in Asia, but the churche would and then understand the rumors and reports they would receive of the Jewish war that was to come. (TRib to you) John gave an account of what to expect as well as reminders of the their history......past events.

I have been biting my TONGUE hoping YOU would have commune sense that YOU ARE LEADING THIS into a TRAIN RECK DERAILMENT.

I guess I will have to tell you what it means to me, and it is simplicity itself, NOT YOUR WILD THEORIES. I WILL TELL YOU THE TRUTH, BUT YOU HAVE TO START YOUR OWN THREAD TO CONTINUES THIS.

Hebrews 9:27 (HCSB)
27 And just as it is appointed for people to die once—and after this, judgment—

New Century Version word it this way:

Hebrews 9:27 (NCV)
27 Just as everyone must die once and be judged,

THE ONLY EXCEPTION TO THAT IRON CLAD RULE IS THIS VERSE.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 (KJV)
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

NO OTHER EXCEPTIONS, BUT ENOCH AND ELIJAH DID NOT DIE.

EXACTLY!

GOD TOOK THEM, to the END TIMES, TO BE WITNESSES ISRAEL about the MESSIAH. If You are still here, YOU HAD BETTER LISTEN TO ENOCH AND ELIJAH. Most of the JEW will RECOGNIZE THEM by the Power of the Holy Spirit, and will LISTEN TO THEM.

Before you even say that is IMPOSSIBLE, READ THIS VERSE.

Matthew 19:26 (HCSB)
26 But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

EVERY HUMAN BEING WILL DIE ONE, EXCEPT THOSE WHO ARE ALIVE AT THE RAPTURE.



Revelation 11:3-14 (NCV)
3 And I will give power to my two witnesses to prophesy for one thousand two hundred sixty days, and they will be dressed in rough cloth to show their sadness.“
4 These two witnesses are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.
5 And if anyone tries to hurt them, fire comes from their mouths and kills their enemies. And if anyone tries to hurt them in whatever way, in that same way that person will die.
6 These witnesses have the power to stop the sky from raining during the time they are prophesying. And they have power to make the waters become blood, and they have power to send every kind of trouble to the earth as many times as they want.
7 When the two witnesses have finished telling their message, the beast that comes up from the bottomless pit will fight a war against them. He will defeat them and kill them.
8 The bodies of the two witnesses will lie in the street of the great city where the Lord was killed. This city is named Sodom and Egypt, which has a spiritual meaning.
9 Those from every race of people, tribe, language, and nation will look at the bodies of the two witnesses for three and one-half days, and they will refuse to bury them.
10 People who live on the earth will rejoice and be happy because these two are dead. They will send each other gifts, because these two prophets brought much suffering to those who live on the earth.
11 But after three and one-half days, God put the breath of life into the two prophets again. They stood on their feet, and everyone who saw them became very afraid.
12 Then the two prophets heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Come up here!“ And they went up into heaven in a cloud as their enemies watched.
13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city was destroyed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and those who did not die were very afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second trouble is finished. Pay attention: The third trouble is coming soon.

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THE BEST ADVISE I CAN GIVE YOU, is to Interpret Scripture with Scripture, and not with what lies between your ears; and KEEP IT SIMPLE, @@@@@@.

NOW GO START YOUR OWN THREAD, THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT PROPHECY.
 

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Typo: EVERY HUMAN BEING WILL DIE ONCE, EXCEPT THOSE WHO ARE ALIVE AT THE RAPTURE.

1602388537470.jpeg These were WWII barracks that I stayed in Basic Training.
 

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I have Explained this before, but quite awhile ago.

It is the Dual Stairs where Paul spoke to the Angry Mob, right after he was arrested, and that platform is now collapsed.
But in it's hay day, it was frequently used to make Speeches. It used to have tunnels under that south wall to the Roman Stables.
That was to the left of the stairs was not there during the time of JESUS. Jesus would have been lead up then RIGHT STAIR CASE when HE was to Report to PILOT. Not sure who built that add-on Wall.

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Here is the STORY in question:

Acts 21:27-40 (NASB)
27 When the seven days were almost over, the Jews from Asia, upon seeing him in the temple, began to stir up all the crowd and laid hands on him,
28 crying out, "Men of Israel, come to our aid! This is the man who preaches to all men everywhere against our people and the Law and this place; and besides he has even brought Greeks into the temple and has defiled this holy place."
29 For they had previously seen Trophimus the Ephesian in the city with him, and they supposed that Paul had brought him into the temple.
30 Then all the city was provoked, and the people rushed together, and taking hold of Paul they dragged him out of the temple, and immediately the doors were shut.
31 While they were seeking to kill him, a report came up to the commander of the Roman cohort that all Jerusalem was in confusion.

32 At once he took along some soldiers and centurions and ran down to them; and when they saw the commander and the soldiers, they stopped beating Paul.
33 Then the commander came up and took hold of him, and ordered him to be bound with two chains; and he began asking who he was and what he had done.
34 But among the crowd some were shouting one thing and some another, and when he could not find out the facts because of the uproar, he ordered him to be brought into the barracks.
35 When he got to the stairs, he was carried by the soldiers because of the violence of the mob;
36 for the multitude of the people kept following them, shouting, "Away with him!"
37 As Paul was about to be brought into the barracks, he said to the commander, "May I say something to you?" And he *said, "Do you know Greek?
38 "Then you are not the Egyptian who some time ago stirred up a revolt and led the four thousand men of the Assassins out into the wilderness?"
39 But Paul said, "I am a Jew of Tarsus in Cilicia, a citizen of no insignificant city; and I beg you, allow me to speak to the people."
40 When he had given him permission, Paul, standing on the stairs, motioned to the people with his hand; and when there was a great hush, he spoke to them in the Hebrew dialect, saying,

Acts 22:1-9 (NASB)
1 "Brethren and fathers, hear my defense which I now offer to you."
2 And when they heard that he was addressing them in the Hebrew dialect, they became even more quiet; and he *said,
3 "I am a Jew, born in Tarsus of Cilicia, but brought up in this city, educated under Gamaliel, strictly according to the law of our fathers, being zealous for God just as you all are today.
4 "I persecuted this Way to the death, binding and putting both men and women into prisons,
5 as also the high priest and all the Council of the elders can testify. From them I also received letters to the brethren, and started off for Damascus in order to bring even those who were there to Jerusalem as prisoners to be punished.
6 "But it happened that as I was on my way, approaching Damascus about noontime, a very bright light suddenly flashed from heaven all around me,
7 and I fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to me, 'Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?'
8 "And I answered, 'Who are You, Lord?' And He said to me, 'I am Jesus the Nazarene, whom you are persecuting.'
9 "And those who were with me saw the light, to be sure, but did not understand the voice of the One who was speaking to me.


That is why those Stairs are so Important. IT PROVES THE TENTH LEGION OCCUPIED THE HIGHER GROUND. They RAN DOWN the Dual Colonnades, designed to get TROOPS as quickly as possible when a RIOT was going on in the TEMPLE. Josephus said they were approximately 600 feet long. AND THERE WERE STAIRS LEADING UP TO THE TENTH LEGION FORTRESS. The COHORT mentioned Makes perfect sense to people who were in the Military. ONE COHORT WAS ONE DUTY to respond to an EMERGENCY at any TIME. THE OTHER 9 COHORTS were ASSIGNED other duties. Some were on Guard duty in the towers, many were on Patron, some were on KP duties, many were asleep, some were on Stable duties, some were on sharpening weapons, some were Training, etc, etc. BUT ONE COHORT was ready for action in an emergency, and that IS THE COMMANDER YOU REPORT TO IN AN EMERGENCY.
That is a Colonnade.
 

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That, will teach me to type at 2:00 in the morning. Made some bad Typos.

That is why those Stairs are so Important. IT PROVES THE TENTH LEGION OCCUPIED THE HIGHER GROUND. They RAN DOWN the Dual Colonnades*, designed to get TROOPS as quickly as possible when a RIOT was going on in the TEMPLE. Josephus said they were approximately 600 feet long. AND THERE WERE STAIRS LEADING UP TO THE TENTH LEGION FORTRESS. The COHORT mentioned Makes perfect sense to people who were in the Military. ONE COHORT WAS ON 🗷 E DUTY to respond to an EMERGENCY at any TIME. THE OTHER 9 COHORTS were ASSIGNED other duties. Some were on Guard duty in the towers, many were on Patrol, some were on KP (kitchen police duties, were you start out washing pots and pans and work your way up) duties, some were digging new outhouses, many were asleep, some were on Stable duties, some were on sharpening weapons, some were Training, etc., etc. BUT ONE COHORT was ready for action in an emergency, and that IS THE COMMANDER YOU REPORT TO IN AN EMERGENCY.

* That is a Colonnade.