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I'm gonna disagree with your Temple Mount location, but not saying, I know for sure. It's just what I believe to be true.

Didn't watch these videos, but they might give evidence, for a different location.


I agree with you. After reviewing VCO's extensive research and findings and after reviewing others' works on Youtube, I can safely and confidently say that the Temple Mount is indeed the correct location. I was convinced after watching these two videos

 

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I agree with you. After reviewing VCO's extensive research and findings and after reviewing others' works on Youtube, I can safely and confidently say that the Temple Mount is indeed the correct location. I was convinced after watching these two videos


There was a video done by one JEWISH archaeologist, and someone in power apparently done ordered him to take it down, that Showed him discoving the Sacrifice Alter in KING David's Palace on the OPHEL, where supposed the Angel met KING DAVID. When he realized what it all meant, and VERY WELL COULD BE, he just sat down with a look of awe and starred at it:



This is what he what he was in awe about. The low sacrifice alter is that low so the BLOOD Does Not splash, and the blood channel that would take the Blood out to the little stream out back.

2 Chronicles 3:1 (GW)
1 Solomon began to build the LORD'S temple in Jerusalem on Mount Moriah, where the LORD appeared to his father David. There David had prepared the site on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.

Mount Moriah was the NAME of the entire RIDGE from north of the so-called Temple Mount, and all the way to where the CITY of DAVID empties into the Kidron Valley. And the real MOUNT ZION was a single Peak in the middle of the Mount Moriah Ridge.

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Josephus placed the Antonia Fortress at the northwest corner of the colonnades surrounding the Temple. Modern depictions often show the Antonia as being located along the north side of the temple enclosure. However, Josephus' description of the siege of Jerusalem suggests that it was separated (illustration) from the temple enclosure itself and probably connected by two colonnades with a narrow space between them. Josephus' measurements suggest about a 600-foot separation between the two complexes (illustration).


Something that I must point out, is the LOCATION of Warren's Shaft. Warren's Shaft is what they call a Siphon Spring. It pumps water up hill went the two lower entrances are PLUGGED. That Gihon Spring then can provide all the Temple the Spring water they need. It start at the lower outlet and pushes it past the secondary outlet when both of them are PLUGGED. Gushes out up top, which is NORTHWEST of where the Gihon Spring is currently located. The exist hole is ether very near the TEMPLE or actually in the TEMPLE.

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There is no third temple. Jesus Himself is THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE of the temple. The New Covenant is spiritual.

You have never read any verses, Deal with the Third Temple and the FOURTH TEMPLE the Jesus Himself Builds. Not going to get into it Here, as those are prophecy and this site has NOTHING to do with Prophecy. IT IS AN unusual THREAD specifically from ISRAEL and Current Events that can delay the Building of the Third Temple. PLEASE STAY ON SUBJECT.
 
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There was a video done by one JEWISH archaeologist, and someone in power apparently done ordered him to take it down, that Showed him discoving the Sacrifice Alter in KING David's Palace on the OPHEL, where supposed the Angel met KING DAVID. When he realized what it all meant, and VERY WELL COULD BE, he just sat down with a look of awe and starred at it:



This is what he what he was in awe about. The low sacrifice alter is that low so the BLOOD Does Not splash, and the blood channel that would take the Blood out to the little stream out back.

2 Chronicles 3:1 (GW)
1 Solomon began to build the LORD'S temple in Jerusalem on Mount Moriah, where the LORD appeared to his father David. There David had prepared the site on the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.

Mount Moriah was the NAME of the entire RIDGE from north of the so-called Temple Mount, and all the way to where the CITY of DAVID empties into the Kidron Valley. And the real MOUNT ZION was a single Peak in the middle of the Mount Moriah Ridge.

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Josephus placed the Antonia Fortress at the northwest corner of the colonnades surrounding the Temple. Modern depictions often show the Antonia as being located along the north side of the temple enclosure. However, Josephus' description of the siege of Jerusalem suggests that it was separated (illustration) from the temple enclosure itself and probably connected by two colonnades with a narrow space between them. Josephus' measurements suggest about a 600-foot separation between the two complexes (illustration).


Something that I must point out, is the LOCATION of Warren's Shaft. Warren's Shaft is what they call a Siphon Spring. It pumps water up hill went the two lower entrances are PLUGGED. That Gihon Spring then can provide all the Temple the Spring water they need. It start at the lower outlet and pushes it past the secondary outlet when both of them are PLUGGED. Gushes out up top, which is NORTHWEST of where the Gihon Spring is currently located. The exist hole is ether very near the TEMPLE or actually in the TEMPLE.

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I am not sure how anyone can look at the old fortress. And think that is where the temple is.

Not one stone will be left standing. Yet we have a whole wall.

Did Jesus make a mistake? Or are people who claim it is the mount making the mistake?

My vote is the people made a mistake.
 

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NO HE DID NOT. Especially about this Verse, which includes ever single Brick and Stone in the Wall.

Do they Think JESUS told a fib or what?

Matthew 24:2 (HCSB)
2 Then He replied to them, “Don’t you see all these things? I assure you: Not one stone will be left here on another that will not be thrown down!”


Jeremiah 26:18 (HCSB)
18 “Micah the Moreshite prophesied in the days of Hezekiah king of Judah and said to all the people of Judah, ‘This is what the LORD of Hosts says: Zion will be plowed like a field, {and it was}, Jerusalem will become ruins, and the temple mount a forested hill.’ {AND IT STILL IS.}

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In 1857, it was plowed like a field, specifically a Field of Potatoes. And the TEMPLE fits without a building on top of it.
 

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I am not sure how anyone can look at the old fortress. And think that is where the temple is.

Not one stone will be left standing. Yet we have a whole wall.

Did Jesus make a mistake? Or are people who claim it is the mount making the mistake?

My vote is the people made a mistake.
Jesus was speaking about the great building on top of the temple mount. It's literally what he said. He didn't say anything about the retaining wall: "Do you see all these great buildings?' replied Jesus. 'Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.'"
 

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One more thing, Ancient Jerusalem was the location of the City of David to day. City of David was just nick name. for Jerusalem.

The Roman made sure there want NO Building or Wall left that was built by Jews. And made a ROMAN CITY OF IT. LOOK IT UP.
 
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Jesus was speaking about the great building on top of the temple mount. It's literally what he said. He didn't say anything about the retaining wall: "Do you see all these great buildings?' replied Jesus. 'Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.'"
The problem is the retaining wall is part of the old fort. Not the temple

Jesus said, do you see all these building? Well a wall is part of a building

If you read this thread in any detail. You would see that Josephus came here after the romans had leveled the city. He stated that there was nothing left. You could not even tell there was a city or temple there. The ONLY thing standing was the great fort. Which is what you see today.
 

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(QUOTE) The Greek term speiran (i.e., cohort) originally referred to something twisted together, like a strand or rope. It came to be used figuratively for a band of men working together for a purpose. Cohort is another Latin term. It was used of one-tenth of a legion, normally 600 men. But it could refer to many less (cf. John 18:3). The Roman military was structured by:
  1. legions, 6,000 (Troops, with as many as 4000 Support Personnel. Those would include: Doctors, Nurses, Shop Keepers, Leather Repairers, Kitchen Staff, Weapons Up Keepers, Barbers, Stable Personnel, Staff at the Roman Baths, Bar Tenders, Waiters and Waitresses, and sever other personnel I did not even mention. What most People do not even realize, is NO ROMAN SOLDIER was allowed to spend money in any of the JEWISH SHOPS, by orders of Caesar. It kept corruption to an absolute MINIMUM or NON-Existent. The brought those excess personnel with them from ROME. VIOLATING Caesar's Orders, was a Capital Offense.)
  2. cohorts, 600
  3. maniples, 200
  4. centuries, 100
http://www.freebiblecommentary.org/new_testament_studies/VOL02/VOL02A_15.html (END QUOTE)

Now what MANY PEOPLE do not realize, that it is only ONE Cohort will be on duty at a time: "The whole Roman cohort" will be armed, and ready a time, to run towards the uprising BATTLE, while the Rest of the LEGION is scrambled to Put down the REBELLION. Makes perfect sense to anyone who has served in the Military, and almost no Sense to those who have never been in the Military. You who want to rebel, will know that once the first 600 Roman Troops have arrived, as many as 5400 Troops will arrive in less that 10 minutes. Now you know why the ZEALOTS wanted JESUS on their Side before they started their full scale REBELLION. And totally diserted HIM, when he did not see it their way. Then in 132 A.D. they thought Prince Kokhba came to power, and Many thought they has found the real messiah in Prince Simon bar Kokhba, and when he got KILLED in battle, in 135, they knew he was not their Messiah. They made the mistake of expecting him to be an invincible force against the Romans.


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THE JEWS PUT THEIR HOPES ON ONE WHO WAS WILLING TO ATTACK THE ROMANS, NOT THE PRINCE OF PEACE.

It would benefit most of you by studying ROMAN LEGION HISTORY and JEWISH HISTORY, as well as the BIBLE.
You will find you make fewer MISTAKES in interpretation.
 

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Jesus was speaking about the great building on top of the temple mount. It's literally what he said. He didn't say anything about the retaining wall: "Do you see all these great buildings?' replied Jesus. 'Not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.'"
The problem is the retaining wall is part of the old fort. Not the temple

Jesus said, do you see all these building? Well a wall is part of a building

If you read this thread in any detail. You would see that Josephus came here after the romans had leveled the city. He stated that there was nothing left. You could not even tell there was a city or temple there. The ONLY thing standing was the great fort. Which is what you see today.
Have you even bothered to watch the two videos I posted in post #2,601
 

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ZION was a single Peak on Mount Moriah Ridge, right in the Middle of it. Jewish Sanhedrin voted in 1212 AD after being in exhile for over a 1000 years. For that is where Mt. ZION was really located, and voted for where the TEMPLE is located, voting that they were both in the WRONG LOCATION.

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Probably more like this Close Up:

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Notice the Private Stairs going up to the TEMPLE on the OPHEL. Blue Line is the City Limits.
That is what I have learned by studying Josephus, other Historians, and the BIBLE.
During the 2.5 year reign of Prince Simon bar Kokhba, he was planning to build the
Third Temple, because the ROMANS gave the Temple to Jupiter permission to build on the
the sight of the totally empty, REAL TEMPLE MOUNT on Mt. ZION. Prince Simon decided
the Temple to GOD, could not be build as long as the DEFIED Bedrock that the Temple to
Jupiter has defied that whole hill, included the bedrock. So Simon, ordered it be turned
into a rock quarry, to remove the defiled Bedrock. I never found how deep that had to go
to be below the level of the defiled bedrock. So it was significantly lower that before.
 

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{quote} Josephus Book VIII, Chapter 5, Section 2 . . . There was also another house so ordered, that its entire breadth was placed in the middle; it was quadrangular, and its breadth was thirty cubits, having a temple over against it, raised upon massy pillars; in which temple there was a large and very glorious room, wherein the king sat in judgment. To this was joined another house that was built for his queen. . . . {end quote}

David's Place has been Found, Solomon's and everything in Ancient Jerusalem has never been found. IT WAS UTTERLY DESTROYED.
It is reasonable to have Solomon inherit the Property of David, and then HE remodeled and ADDED on to the PROPERTY. If you can accept this TRUTH, then you will know the TEMPLE HAS TO BE under that wooded HILL in the southwest corner of the OPHEL.
 
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Have you even bothered to watch the two videos I posted in post #2,601
Did you go back and read Josephus account of what he saw after the romans destroyed the city?

Have you watched any of the amazing videos that VCO shared in this thread?

It takes alot to change my mind. And the things VCO shared changed my mind.

as for the videos you shared. I am prety sure I watched them along time ago. When VCO opened this subject. I watched a bunch of videos

When I read josephus account, and what he witnessed I can not with any honesty believe any part of any temple part is standing. The temple mount area is the wall of the old fort antonia.
 

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Did you go back and read Josephus account of what he saw after the romans destroyed the city?

Have you watched any of the amazing videos that VCO shared in this thread?

It takes alot to change my mind. And the things VCO shared changed my mind.

as for the videos you shared. I am prety sure I watched them along time ago. When VCO opened this subject. I watched a bunch of videos

When I read josephus account, and what he witnessed I can not with any honesty believe any part of any temple part is standing. The temple mount area is the wall of the old fort antonia.
Nelson Walters, who is well respected in end times prophesy and has read more books on the temple mount than you and I both, used to think like you and VCO, respectfully. He has changed his position. If you would like to know from someone "in the know" who thought like you and VCO, but changed his mind (says so at 2:30 mark), you can find out why, here:
 

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Nelson Walters, who is well respected in end times prophesy and has read more books on the temple mount than you and I both, used to think like you and VCO, respectfully. He has changed his position. If you would like to know from someone "in the know" who thought like you and VCO, but changed his mind (says so at 2:30 mark), you can find out why, here:
There has been a general ACCEPTANCE of the Jewish way of defining where the TEMPLE should be placed. What most People do not know is there are 5 different locations of where the Jewish TEMPLE SHOULD BE. I do not think anyone of them, EXCEPT the newest one is correct. JEWISH Archaeologists have uncovered the what they have proclaimed to be King David's PALACE, just below the OPHEL. Josephus, a Jewish HISTRORIAN very CLOSE to the time of CHRIST (37 AD to 100 AD), states the VERY NEXT Building NORTH was the TEMPLE. He actually is an EYE WITNESS to worshiping at the TEMPLE. He says it is on the OPHEL, not the so called Temple Mount, but approximately 600 feet south of the current Jerusalem city Southern wall, and Paul verifies that.

Acts 21:26-40 (HCSB)
26 Then the next day, Paul took the men, having purified himself along with them, and entered the temple, announcing the completion of the purification days when the offering for each of them would be made.
27 As the seven days were about to end, the Jews from Asia saw him in the temple complex, stirred up the whole crowd, and seized him,
28 shouting, “Men of Israel, help! This is the man who teaches everyone everywhere against our people, our law, and this place. What’s more, he also brought Greeks into the temple and has profaned this holy place.”
29 For they had previously seen Trophimus the Ephesian in the city with him, and they supposed that Paul had brought him into the temple complex.
30 The whole city was stirred up, and the people rushed together. They seized Paul, dragged him out of the temple complex, and at once the gates were shut.
31 As they were trying to kill him, word went up to the commander of the regiment that all Jerusalem was in chaos.
32 Taking along soldiers and centurions, he immediately ran down to them. Seeing the commander and the soldiers, they stopped beating Paul.
33 Then the commander came up, took him into custody, and ordered him to be bound with two chains. He asked who he was and what he had done.
34 Some in the mob were shouting one thing and some another. Since he was not able to get reliable information because of the uproar, he ordered him to be taken into the barracks.
35 When Paul got to the steps, he had to be carried by the soldiers because of the mob’s violence,
36 for the mass of people followed, yelling, “Take him away!”
37 As he was about to be brought into the barracks, Paul said to the commander, “Am I allowed to say something to you?” He replied, “Do you know Greek?
38 Aren’t you the Egyptian who raised a rebellion some time ago and led 4,000 Assassins into the wilderness?”
39 Paul said, “I am a Jewish man from Tarsus of Cilicia, a citizen of an important city. Now I ask you, let me speak to the people.”
40 After he had given permission, Paul stood on the steps and motioned with his hand to the people. When there was a great hush, he addressed them in the Hebrew language:


The Higher Ground belonged to the ROMAN X LEGION, Fortress Antonia.

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{quote} Josephus Book VIII, Chapter 5, Section 2 . . . There was also another house so ordered, that its entire breadth was placed in the middle; it was quadrangular, and its breadth was thirty cubits, having a temple over against it, raised upon massy pillars; in which temple there was a large and very glorious room, wherein the king sat in judgment. To this was joined another house that was built for his queen. . . . {end quote}

David's Place has been Found, Solomon's and everything in Ancient Jerusalem has never been found. IT WAS UTTERLY DESTROYED.
It is reasonable to have Solomon inherit the Property of David, and then HE remodeled and ADDED on to the PROPERTY. If you can accept this TRUTH, then you will know the TEMPLE HAS TO BE under that wooded HILL in the southwest corner of the OPHEL.
Brother can you find Josephus account of the city after Rome destroyed it? I looked but I can’t remember where we posted it.
 

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Destroyed in the Greek is utterly DESTROYS, and if anything remained as ruined, it would not be Destroyed.

I remember something like like that in the that, and I think it may have been in Josephus' history:


Flavius Josephus Against Apion (1)

BOOK 1

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". . . ( 2 ) "Since Florius Josephus" says Dr. Hudson, "wrote [or finished] his books of Antiquities on the thirteenth of Domitian, [A.D. 93,] and after that wrote the Memoirs of his own Life, as an appendix to the books of Antiquities, . . ."

Florius, was a relative I presume, which could indicate that something happened, in the last few years of his life, to where his mental health was deuterating, he was unable to finish. Could be something like Alzheimer's, or a HEAD INJURY after 93 A.D. So this book was one that FLORIUS JOSEPHUS had to finish. Also, during the 70 A.D. siege, before the serving Jews were rounded up and BOOTED out of the country.


"And Jesus went out, and departed from the Temple: and His disciples came to Him for to shew Him the buildings of the Temple. And Jesus said unto them, "See ye not all these things? Verily I say unto you, there shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down." (Matthew 24:1-2 )

Luke 21:20-22 (HCSB)
20 “When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that its desolation has come near.
21 Then those in Judea must flee to the mountains! Those inside the city must leave it, and those who are in the country must not enter it,
22 because these are days of vengeance to fulfill all the things that are written.
21 Then those in Judea must flee to the mountains! Those inside the city must leave it, and those who are in the country must not enter it,
22 because these are days of vengeance to fulfill all the things that are written.

Isaiah 1:21 How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.

Lamentations 1:8 Jerusalem hath grievously sinned; therefore she is removed: all that honoured her despise her, because they have seen her nakedness: yea, she sigheth, and turneth backward.

Isaiah 32:14 (NASB)
14 Because the palace has been abandoned, the populated city forsaken. Hill and watch-tower have become caves forever, A delight for wild donkeys, a pasture for flocks; (that is referring to Accent Jerusalem, now called the CITY of DAVID, no it was VACANT, NO WALLS in King Solomon's City, up until long after this photo of 1857.)

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Notice that HILL and WATCH-TOWER (part of the WALL) have become CAVES FOREVER, and they have been buried forever, and they built on top of that GROUND.

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This rebellion started what is referred to as the Jewish Wars, which lasted from A.D. 66 to A.D. 73.

During this time, the Roman emperor, Nero, sent an army to Judea to fight the Jews and crush the rebellion. General Vespasian led the army, and under his leadership, the Romans took back control of the northern part of Judea. They then focused their efforts on taking Jerusalem, but Emperor Nero died before they could take the city.

After Nero’s death, General Vespasian was crowned as emperor of Rome. His son, Titus, was left in command of the Roman army in Judea, and Titus led the siege and assault on Jerusalem. In A.D. 70, the Romans broke through the city’s walls and destroyed everything in sight. They killed thousands of people in the city in addition to destroying the Temple. This destruction is very significant, because Jesus previously prophesied that the Temple would be destroyed, along with the rest of Jerusalem (Matthew 24:1-34). Thankfully, those who heeded Jesus’ warnings were able to survive by fleeing to the mountains just as Jesus had predicted.

Published December 7, 2014
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Have you even bothered to watch the two videos I posted in post #2,601
That video was Post on Nov. 7, 2020. I probably was started that video a less than 2 weeks after that. I watched enough of that video to know that he, like so many others had been Deceived into thinking it is on the so called Temple Mount. You see, I am NO LONGER SEARCHING FOR TRUTH, as I am 100 percent CONVINCED that the CORRECT SIGHT in on Mount Zion which is right in the middle of Mount Moriah RIDGE. It is approximately 600 feet further South on the southwestern part of the OPHEL. So YES, I visited that SIGHT, and it is based on false information.
 

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The problem is the retaining wall is part of the old fort. Not the temple

Jesus said, do you see all these building? Well a wall is part of a building

If you read this thread in any detail. You would see that Josephus came here after the romans had leveled the city. He stated that there was nothing left. You could not even tell there was a city or temple there. The ONLY thing standing was the great fort. Which is what you see today.

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AMEN, you got that a 100% correct.
 

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You Know the JEWS are a strange bunch, the had rather believe the 1212 Sanhedrin, whom had never been in ISRAEL, after their People had been Exiled for over 1000 years; THEN BELIEVE AN EYE WITNESS WHERE THE TEMPLE WAS LOCATED, FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS. In fact they believe Josephus exaggerated when he said the two Causeway's distance were approximately a Furlong, or a Stade (600 feet) long, between Temple norther wall and the southern wall of Fortress Antonia.

<-- Twin Causeway Bridges.
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THE COLONNADES FROM THE TEMPLE TO FORT ANTONIA WE ARE TOLD by Josephus, when you read his accounts carefully, that the whole northern wall of the Temple was parallel to and flanking the full length of the southern wall of Fort Antonia. He said there was an open space of 600 feet (a stade) between the two walls.618 Note that when Titus, the Roman General, was overseeing his soldiers fighting in areas associated with the Temple and its courtyards, he was able to view these events from the southern wall of Fort Antonia.619 The view was like a stage (a theatre) in front of him.620 Titus could observe everything happening within the Courts of the Temple. In fact, once Fort Antonia was taken by the Romans and part of its.
618 War VI.2,6. 619 War Vl.1,8. 620 War VI.2,6.

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It is obvious that Josephus has been to the TEMPLE many times, especially on FEAST DAYS, as all the GATES were open all the way to the Curtain inside the Holy of Holies . On many times he would stop and stare at the Curtain on Holy of Holies from the East Gate on those Feast Days because all the gates were aligned and open on there Feast Days. And the Jews chose to believe the Sanhedrin, who had to vote in a close election in 1212 after returning from over a 1000 year exile.