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I am now going to try to PROVE that at the TIME OF CHRIST, there were 6,000 Soldiers in the TENTH Legion in Jerusalem, and 4,000 Support Personnel.

WHY? Because as long as the Jews think there Model of the TEMPLE is Correct, this STALEMATE will continue.
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How many Roman soldiers were there in a legion?
There were over 5,000 soldiers in a legion. Each legion had its own number, name, badge and fortress. What were 6000 Roman soldiers called? A legion was nominally composed of 6,000 soldiers, and each legion was divided up into 10 cohorts, with each cohort containing 6 centuria.
Wikipedia
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I know how hard it is to read JOSEPHUS is to read. BECAUSE it was translated to ENGLISH, probably BEFORE the 1611 KING JAMES VERSION came into being. BUT I FOUND A more MODERN English Version. Makes it a lot easier to read. This is a Jewel, Starting in
He is talking about what the High Priest wears on Feast Days:

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. . . However, the high priest did not wear these garments at other times, but a more plain habit; he only did it when he went into the most sacred part of the temple, which he did but once in a year, on that day when our custom is for all of us to keep a fast to God. And thus much concerning the city and the temple; but for the customs and laws hereto relating, we shall speak more accurately another time; for there remain a great many things thereto relating which have not been here touched upon.

8. Now as to the tower of Antonia, it was situated at the corner of two cloisters of the court of the temple; of that on the west {Coming from the West, by the Colonnades meeting at the Corner by the Tower of Antonia}, and that on the north {Covered Walkway from East Gate going north to the Tower of Antonia}; it was erected upon a rock of fifty cubits in height, and was on a great precipice; it was the work of king Herod, wherein he demonstrated his natural magnanimity. In the first place, the rock itself was covered over with smooth pieces of stone, from its foundation, both for ornament, and that any one who would either try to get up or to go down it might not be able to hold his feet upon it. Next to this, and before you come to the edifice of the tower itself, there was a wall three cubits high; but within that wall all the space of the tower of Antonia itself was built upon, to the height of forty cubits. The inward parts had the largeness and form of a palace, it being parted into all kinds of rooms and other conveniences, such as courts, and places for bathing, and broad spaces for camps; insomuch that, by having all conveniences that cities wanted, it might seem to be composed of several cities, but by its magnificence it seemed a palace. And as the entire structure resembled that of a tower, it contained also four other distinct towers at its four corners; whereof the others were but fifty cubits high; whereas that which lay upon the southeast corner was seventy cubits high, that from thence the whole temple might be viewed; but on the corner where it joined to the two cloisters of the temple, it had passages down to them both, through which the guard (for there always lay in this tower a Roman legion) went several ways among the cloisters, with their arms, on the Jewish festivals, in order to watch the people, that they might not there attempt to make any innovations; for the temple was a fortress that guarded the city, as was the tower of Antonia a guard to the temple; and in that tower were the guards of those three (14). There was also a peculiar fortress belonging to the upper city, which was Herod's palace; but for the hill Bezetha, it was divided from the tower Antonia, as we have already told you; and as that hill on which the tower of Antonia stood was the highest of these three, so did it adjoin to the new city, and was the only place that hindered the sight of the temple on the north. And this shall suffice at present to have spoken about the city and the walls about it, because I have proposed to myself to make a more accurate description of it elsewhere.
https://www.biblestudytools.com/history/flavius-josephus/war-of-the-jews/book-5/chapter-5.html

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This kind of Covered Walkway facing along the garden area, with a WALL along the east side of it.
Most likely going west to the Calvary Entrance pass the Stairs, up into Fortress Antonio, both sides of this Cloister Cover Walkway would have looked like this. On the side with on the east it says to other Coming of the bridge, and in, and up into the stair Fortress on the southeast corner of the Fortress.



I think that pretty much NAILS IT. That joke of that dinky Fortress Antonia is blown clean out of the Water.
 

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DID YOU GET THIS:

QUOTE: JOSEPHUS
". . . whereas that which lay upon the southeast corner was seventy cubits high, that from thence the whole temple might be viewed; . . ."


That is FORTRESS ANTONIA, from the SOUTH EAST CORNER throughout the entire complex.
 

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To include the NEW information the I just found YESTERDAY, I added to an existing map.
First I want to give you the Cloister Covered Walkways, used the ORANGE highlight to represent them.
To represent the Outside Uncovered Walkways are white, as I could not positively identify them as Covered.
Therefore I left them uncovered, and if I find evidence the were covered, I will edit the map.

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You Know, how FEW People want to REALLY Study this out, to find the True Location of the TEMPLE.

If a 1000 years after WWIII, were every block on every build in Washington, D.C. was leveled to the ground. And a group of politicians wanted to start the USA all over again, because we had the right idea back then. So we wanted to start by putting Everything back in the exact place where it once was.
BUT FOUR or More Opinions that differed where everything belongs; so the Politicians would get together, AND VOTE ON WHERE EVERYTHING BELONGS. That is Exactly what Happened in ISRAEL. HOW MANY THINGS WOULD END UP IN THE WRONG PLACE.

I just don't understand WHY so many, do not WANT to examine TRADITION, when it is SO OBVIOUSLY WRONG.

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1 Corinthians 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
 

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You Know, how FEW People want to REALLY Study this out, to find the True Location of the TEMPLE.

If a 1000 years after WWIII, were every block on every build in Washington, D.C. was leveled to the ground. And a group of politicians wanted to start the USA all over again, because we had the right idea back then. So we wanted to start by putting Everything back in the exact place where it once was.
BUT FOUR or More Opinions that differed where everything belongs; so the Politicians would get together, AND VOTE ON WHERE EVERYTHING BELONGS. That is Exactly what Happened in ISRAEL. HOW MANY THINGS WOULD END UP IN THE WRONG PLACE.

I just don't understand WHY so many, do not WANT to examine TRADITION, when it is SO OBVIOUSLY WRONG.

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Its the same attitude they had in Christ's day. Its pride. We see it not only in Israel but in the church. where people are so proud. they refuse to even contemplate that they were taught wrong by people they trusted. for that would take some humility..
 

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It just came to me, that some people have Never heard of the Triple Gate. So I will try to show you where it is, and why it is so significant:
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That Double Gate, most likely led to Roman Officer's Quarter on the Second Floor.

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Now I did that with a Program Called "FastStone Image Viewer", just spliced is a smaller picture on the big one, when the trees were in the way. These Walled up doorways the Ottoman Empire (if I remember correctly what I read about 1517), so he ordered that they be Walled up. The REASON that I know this was the main Entrance into Fortress Antonia, is THIS:

Is that Caesar Ordered the Entire Temple, and Jerusalem torn down to the Ground after the 70 AD, Massacre, and Here is a Prophecy about it in the Bible.

Jeremiah 26:18 (HCSB)
18 “Micah the Moreshite prophesied in the days of Hezekiah king of Judah and said to all the people of Judah, ‘This is what the LORD of Hosts says: Zion will be plowed like a field, Jerusalem will become ruins, and the temple mount a forested hill.’

Ancient Jerusalem is the City of DAVID, and to disobey Caesar what an automatic Death Sentence. So these GATES would have never been there IF the TEMPLE Was up top, THEY HAD TO BE Part of Fortress Antonia, to have those survive.

The Temple was on the Southwest Corner of the OPHEL. How do I know, all that was NOT up top, as was only ROMAN CISTERNS, which the JEWS considered a Cistern Water was defiled, and CANNOT BE USED IN THE TEMPLE. It had to be Spring Water, and the only spring in Jerusalem was in the Gihon Spring SOUTH of that above wall about 900 feet. Conclusion: the Sanhedrin got a lot of things
wrong, when they VOTED in 1215, after being
Exiled for over a 1000 years.
 

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I reworked the image above, and got it even closer to the way it was. The difference in color is Morning Sun and Afternoon Sun. On the three door on Ground Level, I looked very closely, and came to the conclusion the first two doors on the left, definately led to private Mikvehs for the Rich, and outside the were Public Mikvehs for the normal public. I assume they went down to Cloister Covered Walkway and followed it around to the East Gate.

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And this is where Paul on top of that stair case asked the Commander, in Greek, if he could talk to the crowd of angry mob.

I just made an additional discovery. I cropped a picture of this:

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Showing the land in question. Then I looked down near the right, lower corner, and thought I saw something interesting. So I cropped it again, and enlarged it as much as I could, and guess what I think I saw, at least three gates walled in, with room for a horse to be lead into the Stable:

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I know it is Grainy, but I think they are Stable Entrances deliberately walled in.
Someone is Israel or going their soon on Vacation, PLEASE, take a close up and post is on this site.
That ground looks deliberately leveled out for a reason. I think it is the Stable Enterance, and the Platform where Paul Preached to the Crowd, if this proves to be Stable Entrance, then all three would have to be semi-private Mikvehs for the rich. Yes, Number three seems too blurry to tell, but 1 and 2 appear to be Gates.
 

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You see I saw this Photo way back in the beginning of this Study, and that seemed to start me thinking, the entrance to the Stables could be hidden under the Stair Case. Now I may have found another possibility.

Now with a much closer exam for missing Gates, it appears a lot more part of this building is missing, than I originally thought. It is missing because of that MAJOR Earthquake, or the 70 AD Destruction.
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IT IS STILL PROOF THAT THIS WALL EXISTS, PROVES IT IS FORTRESS ANTONIA.
 

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Okay, now I am going to show you some pictures that even I, had no idea that any of them exists. During that short period of time immediately the 6 DAY WAR, and on 6-5-67 came a message from the Israeli Troops, that they had captured the Temple Mount.

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It is indeed strange, that Jews and Christians criticize Islam for making the Temple Mount a Jew-free zone. Since it was the Israeli Government who gave Islam this authority in June 1967.
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On 7 June 1967, soon after Israel had taken control of the area during the Six-Day War, Prime Minister Levi Eshkol assured that “no harm whatsoever shall come to the places sacred to all religions”.
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https://ivarfjeld.com/2013/11/06/1967-israel-gave-the-temple-mount-back-to-islam/
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Wikipedia:
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Egypt and Jordan agreed to a ceasefire on 8 June, and Syria agreed on 9 June; a ceasefire was signed with Israel on 11 June, 67.
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Now, if a non-Muslim took these black and white photos, it probably was during the six days that Israel was in charge of the Temple Mount. If it was a Muslim Journalist that took this Photos, it could have been any time up until Black and White photos when out of style. I had NO IDEA that pictures had been taken of the Muslim Prayer Room in the Dome of the Rock, Southeast Store Room on Second Floor, AND Solomon's Stable (erroneously named) southeast Ground Floor. All Three have Vents a few inches apart, at the Ceiling, so it must have been a Common Style of Ceiling.

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That Sunlight had to be morning light from June, via the Stairways going up on the Second Floor.

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I can see two exit doorways on the left. So between pillars I see space, which means there are more spaces for horses to the Back. I think this could be the mystery gates, that I Pointed out in the above Post, on the ground floor. There had to be a Stairway down to this Stable, from the Store Room above this ceiling. No it is not Solomon's Stable, IT IS THE TENTH ARMY STABLE for their Horse Soldiers, of at least a 100 horses. The Photographer is standing near the Exits, so is at least as much of the room to the east, behind him, as in front.

Hmmm .................................... Could that pile of Rocks on the Floor, be petrified Road Apples ? ? ?
 

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I will give you a unique Reason why a TEMPLE would NEVER be Put in this Location: THE PUTRID SMELL.

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Yes I was a Farm Boy and I can remember the Putrid Smell of shoveling Manure mixed with Urine out of the Barn. Half was for Dairy Cows, and half was for Pigs. So what I am saying Farmers would know the Reason, and City Slickers would NOT, until they Smelled it.

I found a better image to blow up and crop to give us a true, close image. And I am almost positive they are exit Doors, to the Stable on the ground floor. Yes it happened to be at the Right Angle, Right Sunlight, and Right F stop, so it turned out WAY BETTER than before.

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Looks More like a Military Pendent than a exit door to me. Like a Roman Eagle. Like when they Pulled it down, it left a impression on the wall. Not enough there to tell.

Romans has several different Eagle to represent the Roman Army:


It would be Nice to say, I found a Roman Eagle on the wall, but at best, it can only be a "COULD BE a Roman Eagle".
 

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Here is a Roman Legion Standard, where it's head does not show, once the brass Standard is removed from the Wall. Rain running down the back of the Standard would Stain the shadowy image on to the Rock, not showing the head. I am not sure, but I think each Standard was designed by someone in the Legion.
 

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Here is proof that smells coming through from the Horse Stable below, was a Problem. Vents were placed on the roof in several location, even side vents to send it up and out:

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NO, the TEMPLE was on the OPHEL.
 

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So-called Temple Mount has the Only Vents coming up the Stable Floor at ground level on near the southeast corner. And I just found out or more likely forgot they in the Legion, had 300 Calvarymen stationed with EVERY LEGION. AND 300 horses were below the Tower of Antonia, and I found the TWO GATES they used and in NO WAY, SHAPE, or FORM would anybody recommend Putting TEMPLE Above where they Stable, 300 HORSES, and yes the vents in the floor are shiny silver medal, but that only means they replaced the old wooden vents with shiny NEW ONES in recent years. THE SO-CALLED TEMPLE MOUNT WAS FROM THE START, THE HOME OF THE ROMAN X LEGION, AND ON THE GROUND FLOOR WAS WHERE 300 HORSES WERE FED, RAISE A TREMENDOUS STINK, ESPECIALLY IN THE SUMMER TIME.

See Post #2,852.

The TEMPLE was built by Solomon on the OPHEL. The Sanhedrin voted on the TEMPLE MOUNT, forgetting that Mount Moriah was the name of the whole Ridge. So YES, Solomon built it on Mount Moriah RIDGE, specifically on the Mount ZION, which the Sanhedrin also VOTED in 1215, in the wrong Mountain for Mt. ZION. THEREFORE, the north wall of the TEMPLE Complex, was 600 feet to the south of Fortress Antonia, which now is now the Southern Wall of Al-Aqsa Mosque.

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A monument to the Calvary Soldiers, most people did not know they existed. The above
photos are from a reenactment of a famous battle.
 

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QUOTE:
THE MYSTERIOUS ABSENCE OF STABLES AT ROMAN CAVALRY FORTS

They demonstrate conclusively that horses were accommodated in the same buildings as their riders,
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There is a COMMON THREAD. And in the ground floor, is still in the SAME BUILDING.

Now I go hunting for the ROMAN X LEGION STANDARD. Back early days of the USA, WE the Flag as a Stadard. If you Saw the flag waving ahead of you, jut FOLLOW THE FLAG during the heat of battle. Rome had a brass Standard on a flagpole, and the DIFFERENCE in Standards, you could tell from a distance which unit to Follow.

This looks similar to the impression on the wall, but not quite. The head is slightly forward, so it would not leave an impression of the head. But the wings don't go straight up. This is a modern replica, so the flaw could be in the hands of the Standard maker. Will try to find a real one in a museum.


Will keep searching.
 

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Very Close indeed. Search was "War against the Roman X Legion".
 

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Now you must realize, that I am JUST speculating what that Stain on the WALL could BE.

With the shape of the stain, I thought it COULD BE an Eagle Standard, with it's simi 3D look, having the head facing forward, chin down, and the shape of the Stain, looks like Eagle Wings, and the Legion was known to carry brass small statues of Eagles on a long pole. The Blue Line on the left image is part of an arrow that I was pointing out what appears to be a double gate, all walled in.

Let me show you what I mean, and knowing the only way to prove it, is scrape the block in the colored area, and have it tested, to see if there are traces of Brass that the rain deposited on the Blocks.

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Yes it is a little small and crooked, but the curvature of the wings was perfect. If you want to see the image, zoom in, but know I did not try to match the building color. It was only a darker built blocks, and to get the head right, I had to splice in a head from a bold eagle. I know it is a mystery, but this is just one theory. We may not get to know the real answer, as the RAPTURE IS COMING SOON, Pre-Wrath. Oh, by the way, I keep a Magnifying Glass by my Computer, it it faster than to change my computer setting. That image had a long goose neck on it, looks a whole bunch better now.

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This has nothing to do with anything.

I just took a nap, and dreamed a vivid dream of something that happened to me when I was just 5 years old.
I watched while my Dad and my Uncle Bob install Indoor Pluming in our House for the first time.

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No More, but Our washtub, was on the kitchen floor.
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Am I that old ? ? ?
Yes that makes me 73.
 

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One of the funniest times I had while I milk cows, was squirting the cat's in the face while milking cows. The Cats would just beg for it.

. 1661302236100.png . You forget, that was BEFORE TV. No that is not me, but people who grew up on a farm, about the same time as I did. I remember Laying by Dad by the Potbelly Stove, listening to "GUNSMOKE" on Radio. Yes, I said listening to the Radio, and yes Chester was in it to.