THIRD TEMPLE NEWS

VCO · Feb 19, 2023

The MAJOR stumbling block for the JEWS, is they have to be willing to believe They have been Praying at the WRONG WALL since 1212 A.D. It makes the Western Wall part of Fortress Antonia. Four Main Theories were VOTED ON in the Sanhedrin, and None of them was a Clear Majority, of where the TEMPLE was located. They also VOTED on where the MT. ZION should be located, after over a 1000 years in exile, with the same kind of Luck.

The MAJOR part of the stumbling block for Christians, is they are unwilling to study Judaism, and therefore are content with ASSUMING the Jews KNOW what they are talking about.

For Example: The Siphon Spring is a rare type of Spring, which GOD provided, if you plug the two bottom exits, can pump Water all the way up to the OPHEL. Only Spring Water can be considered to be LIVING WATER, and it is illegal to use anything but Spring Water according to JEWISH LAW, to cleanse anything in the TEMPLE, including the PRIESTS. AND their is NOT enough water Pressure to get it to go up to the so-called Temple Mount. PLUS it is illegal use water from a Cistern for Cleansing Purposes, and there is nothing up top the so-called Temple Mount, for water supplies but SEVERAL Cisterns. See my post on the previous page Post #3002. The blue is all Cisterns.

YES I have been at this for 4.5 Years, and I am still finding new discoveries. Yes I made a few mistakes, but I corrected them in posts, as soon as I found one that was wrong.

The Digs have come CLOSE, but they are STILL on the Wrong Side of the ROAD. The will not find the Second TEMPLE THOUGH. JESUS SAID NO ONE would be able to find it because not one stone will be on another, that is how much the ROMANS destroyed Ancient Jerusalem.

YES, they found King David's Palace, a few years ago, but do not want to go further.

Radius · Feb 19, 2023

VCO said:

I've seen they've thought to have found the Melchizadek altar in the City of David a few years ago. Pretty interesting.

It is something along these lines in terms of evidence that I would need to make the change in belief.

I've seen an extraordinary amount of evidence that the temple mount is indeed the real location. I'm not taking it on faith.

-Furthermore there is Scriptural reasons that need to be reconciled. At the dedication of the Temple that Solomon built in 1Kings 7-8 & 2Chronicles 4-5 it states the men carried the Ark of the Covenant OUT OF the City of David to the Temple. If the Ark was took OUT of the City of David, the Temple could not have been IN the City of David.

-Then we have the measurements of the Temple. The original Temple measurement was 500 cubits in length, and they have found the pre-herodian wall under ground making up the northern wall to the eastern wall is exactly 500 cubits long.

There is much more archeological evidence that this video shows. If you want to convince me and others, please sincerely watch it and DISPUTE them. Prove them wrong and then I will listen to you.

VCO · Feb 19, 2023

I have already found the truth, about 4 years ago. I am no longer searching for the TRUTH. The TEMPLE was located on the OPHEL which is the true MT. ZION.

HE has been driving me to get the TRUTH of the Word out. Please read the last 5 Pages at LEAST.

Radius · Feb 19, 2023

VCO said:

So....you won't even watch the video I just linked above that pretty much is a slam dunk case for the Temple being on the Temple Mount?
I'm sorry, but without archelogical evidence I cannot accept your claim that the Temple was on the Ophel.

VCO · Feb 20, 2023

Radius said:

When HE who is in me has told me this IS THE TRUTH, then there is NO POINT watching a video from the opposite point of view. Just like Preaching, when I found out that Kenneth Copeland was NOT TELLING ME THE TRUTH, I Never ever watched one of his Videos again.

You do not ingest false teaching with the GOOD TEACHING, you will end up polluting the GOOD with the Lies. Jesus Christ in me that reassured that HE is leading me to the TEACHERS He wants me to listen to. That is how Sure I am that I am listening to the TRUTH.

Have you ever heard of Nathan-Melech's Bulla:

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Quote:
The seal impression, dated to the First Temple period, features the words: “(belonging) to Nathan-Melech, Servant of the King” (LeNathan-Melech Eved HaMelech). The name Nathan-Melech appears once in the Bible, in the second book of Kings 23:11, where he is described as an official in the court of King Josiah, who took part in the religious reform that the king was implementing: “And he took away the horses that the kings of Judah had given to the sun, at the entrance of the house of the Lord, the TEMPLE on the OPHEL, by the chamber of Nathan-Melech the officer, which was in the precincts; and he burned the chariots of the sun with fire.”

soberxp · Feb 20, 2023

@VCO
What's second temple?
Jesus said that he could rebuild it in three days.
And he ________ after three days.

Denis1011 · Feb 20, 2023

VCO said:

In the first link that you shared in the video is the guy referring to what we believe is the Antichrist? Are they unknowingly awaiting the Antichrist and thinking it's Jesus ? Sorry for my ignorance i mean no disrespect if its not so im just confused.

Komentaja · Feb 20, 2023

Radius said:

Once a mind is closed and "Gawd told me" has been planted, all discussion and trying and testing is over. Don't waste your time bro. The american flag was a dead giveaway.

Everlasting-Grace · Feb 20, 2023

Radius said:

we have two things

Jesus said not one stone will be standing. Yet an entire wall stands??

Josephus went to Jerusalem after it was destroyed by Titus, he said in his own words. You can not even tell there was a city there. the only thing left is the fortress

these two events alone should help us to seek where it really was.

In the beginning of this thread. there are very well put out videos that show where the temple mount could have been. These videos changed my view. and answer alot of questions I had. Namely how there could be stones standing when Jesus said there would be not one..

Radius · Feb 20, 2023

Everlasting-Grace said:

Let's quote what Jesus said:

"As Jesus left the temple and was walking away, His disciples came up to Him to point out its buildings. 2“ Do you see all these things?” He replied. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”

Note: they're speaking directly about the BUILDINGS and the Temple, that was the context -- not the retaining wall. And it happened. Not one stone of the Temple that stood on the Temple Mount along with any of the buildings on the platform is there anymore and have all been thrown down.

And the Fortress stood at the Northwest corner of the Temple Mount and was a Roman structure. Of course they left their own building intact. No need to destroy it!

Radius · Feb 20, 2023

Komentaja said:

I don't get what the American flag has to do with anything, I'm American, too lol. Maybe he's a Veteran?
And please spell God's Name right, that just isn't a good look.

Radius · Feb 20, 2023

VCO said:

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When HE who is in me has told me this IS THE TRUTH, then there is NO POINT watching a video from the opposite point of view. Just like Preaching, when I found out that Kenneth Copeland was NOT TELLING ME THE TRUTH, I Never ever watched one of his Videos again.

You do not ingest false teaching with the GOOD TEACHING, you will end up polluting the GOOD with the Lies. Jesus Christ in me that reassured that HE is leading me to the TEACHERS He wants me to listen to. That is how Sure I am that I am listening to the TRUTH.

Have you ever heard of Nathan-Melech's Bulla:

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The seal impression, dated to the First Temple period, features the words: “(belonging) to Nathan-Melech, Servant of the King” (LeNathan-Melech Eved HaMelech). The name Nathan-Melech appears once in the Bible, in the second book of Kings 23:11, where he is described as an official in the court of King Josiah, who took part in the religious reform that the king was implementing: “And he took away the horses that the kings of Judah had given to the sun, at the entrance of the house of the Lord, the TEMPLE on the OPHEL, by the chamber of Nathan-Melech the officer, which was in the precincts; and he burned the chariots of the sun with fire.”

I'm sorry, I respect you VCO, truly I do, but what you said here is pretty short sighted. You should always be open to changing your views especially when it comes to interpretation. This isn't a salvation issue, so I don't understand such a strong allegiance and dogmatic approach to this particular subject.

Everlasting-Grace · Feb 20, 2023

Radius said:

The fortress was much larger than the Temple. The so called temple mount fits its dimensions perfectly.

Also. there is no "threshing floor" on the so called temple complex.. the threshing floor that became the temple is found south of the so called temple mount. and everything that goes with it. there is no water supply needed for the alter in the temple complex. but there is one south, in fact they have found what the OT claimed it to be from the springs.

Like I said. If you do not wish to look at the evidence and watch the videos. I do not know what to say

Radius · Feb 20, 2023

Everlasting-Grace said:

....You didn't address what I said about the BUILDINGS being thrown down. NOT the retaining wall. I'd like to know what you think about that.

And in the video I linked, it explains that the threshing floor would have just been below the top of Mount Moriah (where the Temple stood )

Everlasting-Grace · Feb 20, 2023

Radius said:

not one stone. I would interpret that as not one stone

It was also prophesies in Daniel..

Like i said. If you would have listened or watched the videos. you would see why we Disagree with you.

Everlasting-Grace · Feb 20, 2023

Radius said:

By the way. Josephus said there was NOTHING standing, you could not even tell there was a city there. The Only thing he saw was the fortress.. Thats an eyewitness account of what was left after the romans were done..

VCO · Feb 20, 2023

soberxp said:

That is a reference to HIS Body. Here HE explains it:

John 2:19-22 (KJV)
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.

That is 100% TRUE, as only GOD can Raise the Dead.

We do not need to go to the TEMPLE, as we will be in our GLORIFIED BODIES, but MORTALS NEED TO GO TO THE TEMPLE.

NOTE: That is PROOF of the TRINITY, because HE SAID:

The 1st TEMPLE was destroyed by the Babylonians, in 586 BC.
The Second Temple was destroyed by the ROMANS, in 70 AD.
The Third Temple, will be destroyed by Christ Himself, because Satan Controlled a man called the Antichrist, and sat on the Holy of Holies.
There will be a FOURTH TEMPLE, built by Christ Himself for the Mortals in the Millennium, that will last a 1000 years, descibed in Ezekiel Chapters 40 - 48.

cv5 · Feb 20, 2023

Radius said:

I am not quite sure what you are getting at, but the retaining wall is part of the Antonia Fortress. The Romans did not destroy their own garrison.....obviously.

VCO · Feb 20, 2023

Radius said:

Now that is REDICULOUS. Those circles would fit on the OPHEL, which is Mt. Zion.
Your not a Farm boy are you, and neither is man who did the Video.

Isaiah 8:18 (ESV)
18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD has given me are signs and portents in Israel from the LORD of hosts, who dwells on Mount Zion.

Quote: By Britannica
Flavius Josephus
Jewish priest, scholar, and historian

David planned to build a temple to house the ark, but the tenacious tradition of the
ark’s portability in a tent shrine forced the postponement of the project to the reign
of his son Solomon. As part of his extensive building program, Solomon erected the
Temple on a Jebusite threshing floor, located on a hill north of Jerusalem, which
David had purchased to mark the spot where a plague had been halted. The ground
plan of the Temple—a porch with two freestanding pillars before it, a sanctuary, and
an inner sanctum—followed Syrian and Phoenician sanctuary models. A bronze
“sea” resting on bulls and placed in the Temple court had a Babylonian analogue.
The Temple of Jerusalem resembled Canaanite and other Middle Eastern religious
structures but was also different from them: notably, in the inner sanctum of the
Temple there was no image of God but only the ancient ark covered by the wings of
large cherubim. YHWH, who was enthroned upon celestial cherubim, was thus
symbolically present in the Temple.
Britannica
written by Gary William Poole

END QOUTE:

YES, he called it HILL, NOT A MOUNT.

The Works of Flavius Josephus:
Book 8, Chapter 5, Section 2:

2. This house was a large and curious building, and was supported by many pillars, which Solomon built to contain a multitude for hearing causes, and taking cognizance of suits. It was sufficiently capacious to contain a great body of men, who would come together to have their causes determined. It was a hundred cubits long, and fifty broad, and thirty high, supported by quadrangular pillars, which were all of cedar; but its roof was according to the Corinthian order, with folding doors, and their adjoining pillars of equal magnitude, each fluted with three cavities; which building as at once firm, and very ornamental. There was also another house so ordered, that its entire breadth was placed in the middle; it was quadrangular, and its breadth was thirty cubits, having a temple over against it, raised upon massy pillars; in which temple there was a large and very glorious room, wherein the king sat in judgment. To this was joined another house that was built for his queen. . . .

King David inherited the Palace when his father died. Let's see, he is King Solomon, now we have to figure out what TEMPLE, would he have out his BACK DOOR. . . . Hmmmmmm.

Jer 26:18 NET
“Micah from Moresheth prophesied during the time Hezekiah was king of Judah. He told all the people of Judah, ‘The LORD of Heaven’s Armies says, “Zion will become a plowed field. Jerusalem will become a pile of rubble. The temple mount will become a mere wooded ridge.”’

I GOT, I GOT IT!

There is only Cistern Water, at least 25 Cisterns, and all of it is illegal to use for Cleansing every thing in the TEMPLE, including the Priests. IT HAS TO BE CLEANED with Spring Water, and the Warren's Shaft only gushes for at the third Level with first two Plugged, on the OPHEL. The only source of Living Water in ancient Jerusalem.

Isaiah 8:18 (ESV)
18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD has given me are signs and portents in Israel from the LORD of hosts, who dwells on Mount Zion.

Now all you got to do is figure out WHAT HILL is MT. ZION.

QUOTE:
Mikva’ot in Jewish tradition must contain at least 40 Sa’ah or approximately 200 gallons of water. The preferred mikveh is a spring or flowing water—considered “Living Water.” The mikveh can also be the ocean, which is where we have our Messianic “miknics” (mikveh/picnics).

A Jewish person would often immerse themselves three times, since the word “mikveh” occurs three times in the Torah (not a bad idea for Messianic Jews either!). In Yeshua’s day, the one being immersed was not touched by the required witness. (We follow this same pattern.) It was imperative that the entire body of the one submerging himself be in contact with the water of the mikveh. Total immersion, not sprinkling.
END QUOTE:

BUT the LAWS for the TEMPLE are slightly difference. ONLY LIVING WATER, which they define as SPRING WATER, must be used to Cleanse EVERYTHING in the TEMPLE, even the Priests hands. So any mountain or hill WITHOUT a Spring Water Source, it OUT OF THE RUNNING.

Radius · Feb 20, 2023

Everlasting-Grace said:

not one stone....pertaining to the buildings! That's what they were talking about IN CONTEXT. It's like you are actively trying not to understand Scripture on purpose. Very weird.

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