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VCO

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Not if I can defend what I say from Scripture. Jesus is the Temple and he paid for sins on the cross abolishing any temple sacrifice forever. You deny his payment for sin when reinstituting the Old Covenant system of animal sacrifice.

Why not defend your view instead of trying to suppress the truth?

You also do not listen to a THING I said about Animal Sacrifices.

DO YOU ? ? ?
 

Dave-L

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You also do not listen to a THING I said about Animal Sacrifices.

DO YOU ? ? ?
Ezekiel says they are the real deal. Not commemorative. = Denying Christ before any such temple is ever built.
 

VCO

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Ezekiel says they are the real deal. Not commemorative. = Denying Christ before any such temple is ever built.

Only because I see a person with limited KNOWLEDGE, thinking that way, will I repeat myself, and expand on it, so that YOU WILL NOT HAVE AN EXCUSE TO KEEP HARPING ON "GOD is not involved, because of the Animal Sacrifices."

GOD HAS NO PLANS FOR ANIMAL Scarifices to go on in the THIRD TEMPLE.

Isaiah 1:11 (HCSB)
11 “What are all your sacrifices to Me?” asks the LORD. “I have had enough of burnt offerings and rams and the fat of well-fed cattle; I have no desire for the blood of bulls, lambs, or male goats.

HE SAID THAT IN ISAIAH 1:11, and YET JESUS WENT TO THE TEMPLE NUMEROUS TIMES IN HIS LIFE, Primarily to TEACH. SO THERE IS WAY MORE THAN "animal sacrifices" that is supposed to go on in a TEMPLE OF GOD, than just that.

The Church-age, will END, with the Rapture, and then GOD is FREE to GOD BACK to the THIRD TEMPLE, to resume HIS PROMISE TO ISRAEL. AND it will absolutely HAPPEN LITERALLY, no matter how much you object.

What is the PURPOSE for the TWO WITNESSES IN REVELATION ? ? ? DO YOU EVEN KNOW ? ? ?

Revelation 11:1-14 (HCSB)
1 Then I was given a measuring reed like a rod, with these words: “Go and measure God’s sanctuary and the altar, and ⌊count⌋ those who worship there.
2 But exclude the courtyard outside the sanctuary. Don’t measure it, because it is given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for 42 months.
3 I will empower my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, dressed in sackcloth.”
4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.

5 If anyone wants to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and consumes their enemies; if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this way.
6 These men have the power to close up the sky so that it does not rain during the days of their prophecy. They also have power over the waters to turn them into blood and to strike the earth with every plague whenever they want.
7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the abyss will make war with them, conquer them, and kill them.
8 Their dead bodies will lie in the public square of the great city, which prophetically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
9 And representatives from the peoples, tribes, languages, and nations will view their bodies for three and a half days and not permit their bodies to be put into a tomb.
10 Those who live on the earth will gloat over them and celebrate and send gifts to one another because these two prophets brought judgment to those who live on the earth.
11 But after 31/2 days, the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet. So great fear fell on those who saw them.
12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” They went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies watched them.
13 At that moment a violent earthquake took place, a tenth of the city fell, and 7,000 people were killed in the earthquake. The survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe has passed. Take note: The third woe is coming quickly!


The Church is GONE, The DEAD IN CHRIST are GONE, The TRIBULATION SAINTS ARE BEHEADED, and WHO IS LEFT ? ? ?

SO WHO ARE THE TWO WITNESSES witnessing TO in the Chapter 11. ? ? ?

JEWS and those who had NEVER chose to RECEIVE Christ as LORD, meaning MASTER.


Revelation 6:9-11 (HCSB)
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the people slaughtered because of God’s word and the testimony they had.
10 They cried out with a loud voice: “Lord, the One who is holy and true, how long until You judge and avenge our blood from those who live on the earth?”
11 So a white robe was given to each of them, and they were told to rest a little while longer until ⌊the number⌋ would be completed ⌊of⌋ their fellow slaves and their brothers, who were going to be killed just as they had been.

Revelation 20:4 (HCSB)
4 Then I saw thrones, and people seated on them who were given authority to judge. ⌊I⌋ also ⌊saw⌋ the people who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of God’s word, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and who had not accepted the mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with the Messiah for 1,000 years.


What Kind of OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES WERE OFFERED IN GOD'S TEMPLE THAT WERE NOT THE SIN SACRIFICE ?

QUOTE:
. . .

The Hebrew word normally translated "sacrifice" (zebah) does not occur in Leviticus 1-3 until 3:1 in the introduction to the "peace offering" section (see also vv. 3, 6, 9). The term for "offering" continues to be used there (vv. 1, 2, 6, 7, 8, 12, 14). Thus, one can say that the peace offering was a particular kind of "offering" that was also a "sacrifice" — it involved an animal that was killed and then eaten as part of a communal meal.
. . .
The sanctuary included a corresponding burnt offering altar but it was also an actual residence of God. The sanctuary system of offerings and sacrifices included the major features of the previously existing external system (i.e., the burnt, grain, drink, and peace offerings at the solitary altars), but the solitary altar system did not include sin and guilt offerings.
. . .

After the tabernacle had been established the nation continued to offer burnt, grain, drink, and peace offerings on solitary earthen altars as well as on the altar in the tabernacle. In fact, the Lord himself commanded that they build such an altar at Shechem (i.e., Mount Ebal) and offer burnt and peace offerings there as part of the initial covenant ceremony in the land ( Deut 27:5-7 ). At least part of the purpose of this ceremony appears to have been to lay claim to the land that the Lord had promised Abram long before when he first entered the land and built an altar in the same general location, near Shechem ( Gen 12:6-7 ). In some cases such altars and the burnt and/or peace offerings presented on them were a means of calling on the name of the Lord in specific situations (see, e.g., Gideon in Judges 6:24-27, ; the Benjamites in Judges 21:3-4, ; Samuel in 1 Sam 7:8-10, ; David in 2 Sam 24:25, ; and Elijah in 1 Kings 18:23-24 1 Kings 18:30 1 Kings 18:36-39 ). In other instances altars on high places were used for communal sacrificial meals before the Lord.
. . .

END QUOTE.

OH MY, and you only thought it was ONLY for SIN AND GUILT OFFERINGS - WHICH CHRIST PAID IN FULL ON THE CROSS.

NOTICE: There is more than ONE ALTAR in the TEMPLE; the solitary altar is reserved for non-sin and non-guilt offerings. Those have to be Offered on the Main ALTAR.

That is the number ONE THINGS the JEWS WILL RECOGNIZE, is that JESUS IS THEIR MESSIAH. Perhaps many will RECOGNIZE HIM after the CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE OF CHRIST TO GO TO THE WEDDING OF THE LAMB, happens. The REST, the TWO WITNESSES, will Certainly straight them out.

THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL WILL COMMENCE, AFTER THE CALLING OF THE BRIDE OF CHRIST, IS FINISHED.
 

VCO

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Ezekiel says they are the real deal. Not commemorative. = Denying Christ before any such temple is ever built.

I EVEN FORGOT TO Mention the SACRIFICE OF PRAISE:

Leviticus 7:13 (NJB)
13 This offering, then, must be added to the cakes of leavened bread and to the communion sacrifice with praise.

The Sacrifice of Joy and Music:

Psalm 27:6 (NIV)
6 Then my head will be exalted above the enemies who surround me; at his tabernacle will I sacrifice with shouts of joy; I will sing and make music to the LORD.
 

Dave-L

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I EVEN FORGOT TO Mention the SACRIFICE OF PRAISE:

Leviticus 7:13 (NJB)
13 This offering, then, must be added to the cakes of leavened bread and to the communion sacrifice with praise.

The Sacrifice of Joy and Music:

Psalm 27:6 (NIV)
6 Then my head will be exalted above the enemies who surround me; at his tabernacle will I sacrifice with shouts of joy; I will sing and make music to the LORD.
Ezekiel is talking about Animal sacrifices for sin. Christ fulfilled this. To say there will be a third temple is to reject Christ even if a third temple is never built.
 

Dave-L

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Only because I see a person with limited KNOWLEDGE, thinking that way, will I repeat myself, and expand on it, so that YOU WILL NOT HAVE AN EXCUSE TO KEEP HARPING ON "GOD is not involved, because of the Animal Sacrifices."

GOD HAS NO PLANS FOR ANIMAL Scarifices to go on in the THIRD TEMPLE.

Isaiah 1:11 (HCSB)
11 “What are all your sacrifices to Me?” asks the LORD. “I have had enough of burnt offerings and rams and the fat of well-fed cattle; I have no desire for the blood of bulls, lambs, or male goats.

HE SAID THAT IN ISAIAH 1:11, and YET JESUS WENT TO THE TEMPLE NUMEROUS TIMES IN HIS LIFE, Primarily to TEACH. SO THERE IS WAY MORE THAN "animal sacrifices" that is supposed to go on in a TEMPLE OF GOD, than just that.

The Church-age, will END, with the Rapture, and then GOD is FREE to GOD BACK to the THIRD TEMPLE, to resume HIS PROMISE TO ISRAEL. AND it will absolutely HAPPEN LITERALLY, no matter how much you object.

What is the PURPOSE for the TWO WITNESSES IN REVELATION ? ? ? DO YOU EVEN KNOW ? ? ?

Revelation 11:1-14 (HCSB)
1 Then I was given a measuring reed like a rod, with these words: “Go and measure God’s sanctuary and the altar, and ⌊count⌋ those who worship there.
2 But exclude the courtyard outside the sanctuary. Don’t measure it, because it is given to the nations, and they will trample the holy city for 42 months.
3 I will empower my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, dressed in sackcloth.”
4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth.

5 If anyone wants to harm them, fire comes from their mouths and consumes their enemies; if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this way.
6 These men have the power to close up the sky so that it does not rain during the days of their prophecy. They also have power over the waters to turn them into blood and to strike the earth with every plague whenever they want.
7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the abyss will make war with them, conquer them, and kill them.
8 Their dead bodies will lie in the public square of the great city, which prophetically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
9 And representatives from the peoples, tribes, languages, and nations will view their bodies for three and a half days and not permit their bodies to be put into a tomb.
10 Those who live on the earth will gloat over them and celebrate and send gifts to one another because these two prophets brought judgment to those who live on the earth.
11 But after 31/2 days, the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet. So great fear fell on those who saw them.
12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” They went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies watched them.
13 At that moment a violent earthquake took place, a tenth of the city fell, and 7,000 people were killed in the earthquake. The survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe has passed. Take note: The third woe is coming quickly!


The Church is GONE, The DEAD IN CHRIST are GONE, The TRIBULATION SAINTS ARE BEHEADED, and WHO IS LEFT ? ? ?

SO WHO ARE THE TWO WITNESSES witnessing TO in the Chapter 11. ? ? ?

JEWS and those who had NEVER chose to RECEIVE Christ as LORD, meaning MASTER.


Revelation 6:9-11 (HCSB)
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the people slaughtered because of God’s word and the testimony they had.
10 They cried out with a loud voice: “Lord, the One who is holy and true, how long until You judge and avenge our blood from those who live on the earth?”
11 So a white robe was given to each of them, and they were told to rest a little while longer until ⌊the number⌋ would be completed ⌊of⌋ their fellow slaves and their brothers, who were going to be killed just as they had been.

Revelation 20:4 (HCSB)
4 Then I saw thrones, and people seated on them who were given authority to judge. ⌊I⌋ also ⌊saw⌋ the people who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of God’s word, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and who had not accepted the mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with the Messiah for 1,000 years.


What Kind of OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES WERE OFFERED IN GOD'S TEMPLE THAT WERE NOT THE SIN SACRIFICE ?

QUOTE:
. . .

The Hebrew word normally translated "sacrifice" (zebah) does not occur in Leviticus 1-3 until 3:1 in the introduction to the "peace offering" section (see also vv. 3, 6, 9). The term for "offering" continues to be used there (vv. 1, 2, 6, 7, 8, 12, 14). Thus, one can say that the peace offering was a particular kind of "offering" that was also a "sacrifice" — it involved an animal that was killed and then eaten as part of a communal meal.
. . .
The sanctuary included a corresponding burnt offering altar but it was also an actual residence of God. The sanctuary system of offerings and sacrifices included the major features of the previously existing external system (i.e., the burnt, grain, drink, and peace offerings at the solitary altars), but the solitary altar system did not include sin and guilt offerings.
. . .

After the tabernacle had been established the nation continued to offer burnt, grain, drink, and peace offerings on solitary earthen altars as well as on the altar in the tabernacle. In fact, the Lord himself commanded that they build such an altar at Shechem (i.e., Mount Ebal) and offer burnt and peace offerings there as part of the initial covenant ceremony in the land ( Deut 27:5-7 ). At least part of the purpose of this ceremony appears to have been to lay claim to the land that the Lord had promised Abram long before when he first entered the land and built an altar in the same general location, near Shechem ( Gen 12:6-7 ). In some cases such altars and the burnt and/or peace offerings presented on them were a means of calling on the name of the Lord in specific situations (see, e.g., Gideon in Judges 6:24-27, ; the Benjamites in Judges 21:3-4, ; Samuel in 1 Sam 7:8-10, ; David in 2 Sam 24:25, ; and Elijah in 1 Kings 18:23-24 1 Kings 18:30 1 Kings 18:36-39 ). In other instances altars on high places were used for communal sacrificial meals before the Lord.
. . .

END QUOTE.

OH MY, and you only thought it was ONLY for SIN AND GUILT OFFERINGS - WHICH CHRIST PAID IN FULL ON THE CROSS.

NOTICE: There is more than ONE ALTAR in the TEMPLE; the solitary altar is reserved for non-sin and non-guilt offerings. Those have to be Offered on the Main ALTAR.

That is the number ONE THINGS the JEWS WILL RECOGNIZE, is that JESUS IS THEIR MESSIAH. Perhaps many will RECOGNIZE HIM after the CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE OF CHRIST TO GO TO THE WEDDING OF THE LAMB, happens. The REST, the TWO WITNESSES, will Certainly straight them out.

THE 70TH WEEK OF DANIEL WILL COMMENCE, AFTER THE CALLING OF THE BRIDE OF CHRIST, IS FINISHED.
To say the 70th week is on hold is to turn Jesus who fulfilled the 70th week in Daniel, into Antichrist of the future. The reason the imaginary gap exists is that only the born again can see the kingdom. The rest missed it thinking it is physical. The Millennium is a false doctrine of the Pharisees refuted by Christ in the gospels.

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” John 3:3 (KJV 1900)

Some born again believe in Millennialism but are deceived.
 

garee

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Only because I see a person with limited KNOWLEDGE, thinking that way, will I repeat myself, and expand on it, so that YOU WILL NOT HAVE AN EXCUSE TO KEEP HARPING ON "GOD is not involved, because of the Animal Sacrifices."

GOD HAS NO PLANS FOR ANIMAL Scarifices to go on in the THIRD TEMPLE.

Isaiah 1:11 (HCSB)
11 “What are all your sacrifices to Me?” asks the LORD. “I have had enough of burnt offerings and rams and the fat of well-fed cattle; I have no desire for the blood of bulls, lambs, or male goats.

HE SAID THAT IN ISAIAH 1:11, and YET JESUS WENT TO THE TEMPLE NUMEROUS TIMES IN HIS LIFE, Primarily to TEACH. SO THERE IS WAY MORE THAN "animal sacrifices" that is supposed to go on in a TEMPLE OF GOD, than just that.

The Church-age, will END, with the Rapture, and then GOD is FREE to GOD BACK to the THIRD TEMPLE, to resume HIS PROMISE TO ISRAEL. AND it will absolutely HAPPEN LITERALLY, no matter how much you object.

What is the PURPOSE for the TWO WITNESSES IN REVELATION ? ? ? DO YOU EVEN KNOW ? ? ?


Hi I would offer first and foremost we walk or receive the understanding of God as he gives us ears enabling us to. ANIMAL Sacrifices only add confusion

We do not look to the corrupted things of this world the temporal .They of themselves do not and therefore cannot generate a faith by which we can believe God not seen . They must be mixed with that which God reveals. the prescription found in 2 Corinthians 4:18. He has hidden that understanding in parables from natural man. They must walk by sight after the temporal. Parables with no understanding remain hidden like the hidden manna spoken of in Revelation 2

Manna. which literally means "What is it? " is the food Christ spoke of that the disciples knew not of . The food that strengthens our will or inner man that we might perform His will. . the bread of unfamiliarity .God is not a man as us.

The temporal temple that stood in the holy place of God as a abomination of desolation was made to no effect when Christ said :it is finished the work of the gospel was complete.

Earthen bodies of death as a metaphor of the unseen glory were given to the new testament believer . We are the temporal temple as we hold out our new tongue the gospel in a hope God will bring new spirit life and growth of it .as it is written

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

The two witnesses are the one witness of God. Not a witness of men . The law and the Prophets (sola scriptura) the law represented by Moses the letter of death. and Elias to represent the unseen power of God as the law of faith together they make up the perfect law of as that which does quicken our soul giving us the temporal his eternal understanding

To the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) if they hear not His voice they will not rise on the last day and receive the promise. . a new incorruptible body . The goal of our new faith that works in us.[/QUOTE]
 

VCO

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Hi I would offer first and foremost we walk or receive the understanding of God as he gives us ears enabling us to. ANIMAL Sacrifices only add confusion

We do not look to the corrupted things of this world the temporal .They of themselves do not and therefore cannot generate a faith by which we can believe God not seen . They must be mixed with that which God reveals. the prescription found in 2 Corinthians 4:18. He has hidden that understanding in parables from natural man. They must walk by sight after the temporal. Parables with no understanding remain hidden like the hidden manna spoken of in Revelation 2

Manna. which literally means "What is it? " is the food Christ spoke of that the disciples knew not of . The food that strengthens our will or inner man that we might perform His will. . the bread of unfamiliarity .God is not a man as us.

The temporal temple that stood in the holy place of God as a abomination of desolation was made to no effect when Christ said :it is finished the work of the gospel was complete.

Earthen bodies of death as a metaphor of the unseen glory were given to the new testament believer . We are the temporal temple as we hold out our new tongue the gospel in a hope God will bring new spirit life and growth of it .as it is written

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

The two witnesses are the one witness of God. Not a witness of men . The law and the Prophets (sola scriptura) the law represented by Moses the letter of death. and Elias to represent the unseen power of God as the law of faith together they make up the perfect law of as that which does quicken our soul giving us the temporal his eternal understanding

To the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) if they hear not His voice they will not rise on the last day and receive the promise. . a new incorruptible body . The goal of our new faith that works in us.

NOW I am convinced that you do not read my posts, you just skim over them, without REALLY READING THEM.

You ask me a question quite some time ago, about my thinking whether or not, that you were a Born Again Christian.

If I remember Right, I said something like this, "As far as I can tell, you are one."

Now you force me to RECONSIDER, my answer.

It now seems like you may have never been Truly Born Again.

There will be no animal sacrifices in the THIRD TEMPLE, Because after the RAPTURE, and TWO WITNESS share with them JESUS IS YOUR MESSIAH, they TOO will recognize JESUS as their MESSIAH, and HE PAID IT ALL IN FULL.

YES, the HOLY SPIRIT IN US, is the spiritual Temple, but we go to HEAVEN on invite, for the WEDDING OF THE LAMB. WHILE on EARTH, the 70th WEEK of Daniel commences, REQUIRING a THIRD TEMPLE literally. WHY?
Because HE PROPHESIED IT.


The 1000 YEAR Millennium, is RULED by CHRIST on the THRONE of DAVID, an Earthly Kingdom with CHRIST RULING. THE ETERNAL KINGDOM comes AFTER that 1000 Year Millennium is FINISHED. WHO ARE HIS MORTAL SUBJECTS ? ? ? JEWS, 144,000 of them, and the Mortal Survivors who did not take up arms against CHRIST, AFTER HE ENDS HIS WAR WITH HIS ENEMIES, (see Zechariah 14, the whole CHAPTER.) They all will worship HIM, and celebrate the Festival of Booths:

Zechariah 14:16 (HCSB)
16 Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Festival of Booths.

We will be in Heaven or at least Most of the 70th Week of DANIEL, in our Immortal Glorified Bodies. WE are part of the HEAVENLY ARMY RIDING WHITE HORSE, Returning to rule as PRIESTS throughout HIS Millennium Kingdom.

Revelation 19:13-15 (HCSB)
13 He wore a robe stained with blood, and His name is the Word of God.
14 The armies that were in heaven followed Him on white horses, wearing pure white linen.
15 A sharp sword came from His mouth, so that He might strike the nations with it. He will shepherd them with an iron scepter. He will also trample the winepress of the fierce anger of God, the Almighty.

Revelation 6:9-11 (HCSB)
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the people slaughtered because of God’s word and the testimony they had.
10 They cried out with a loud voice: “Lord, the One who is holy and true, how long until You judge and avenge our blood from those who live on the earth?”
11 So a white robe was given to each of them, and they were told to rest a little while longer until ⌊the number⌋ would be completed ⌊of⌋ their fellow slaves and their brothers, who were going to be killed just as they had been.

Revelation 20:2-5 (HCSB)
2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for 1,000 years.
3 He threw him into the abyss, closed it, and put a seal on it so that he would no longer deceive the nations until the 1,000 years were completed. After that, he must be released for a short time.
4 Then I saw thrones, and people seated on them who were given authority to judge. ⌊I⌋ also ⌊saw⌋ the people who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of God’s word, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and who had not accepted the mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with the Messiah for 1,000 years.
5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were completed. This is the first resurrection.

Revelation 20:6 (HCSB)
6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of the Messiah, and they will reign with Him for 1,000 years.


Since you have no interest in REALLY READING my posts, I AM FINISHED.

Good Luck with your Non Mainline Theology. In my opinion, YOU ARE GOING TO NEED IT, because the only hope you have is this verse:

Matthew 12:30-32 (HCSB)
30 Anyone who is not with Me is against Me, and anyone who does not gather with Me scatters.
31 Because of this, I tell you, people will be forgiven every sin and blasphemy, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him. But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the one to come.


That is a very fine line you are threading.
 

Rosemaryx

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NOW I am convinced that you do not read my posts, you just skim over them, without REALLY READING THEM.

You ask me a question quite some time ago, about my thinking whether or not, that you were a Born Again Christian.

If I remember Right, I said something like this, "As far as I can tell, you are one."

Now you force me to RECONSIDER, my answer.

It now seems like you may have never been Truly Born Again.

There will be no animal sacrifices in the THIRD TEMPLE, Because after the RAPTURE, and TWO WITNESS share with them JESUS IS YOUR MESSIAH, they TOO will recognize JESUS as their MESSIAH, and HE PAID IT ALL IN FULL.

YES, the HOLY SPIRIT IN US, is the spiritual Temple, but we go to HEAVEN on invite, for the WEDDING OF THE LAMB. WHILE on EARTH, the 70th WEEK of Daniel commences, REQUIRING a THIRD TEMPLE literally. WHY?
Because HE PROPHESIED IT.


The 1000 YEAR Millennium, is RULED by CHRIST on the THRONE of DAVID, an Earthly Kingdom with CHRIST RULING. THE ETERNAL KINGDOM comes AFTER that 1000 Year Millennium is FINISHED. WHO ARE HIS MORTAL SUBJECTS ? ? ? JEWS, 144,000 of them, and the Mortal Survivors who did not take up arms against CHRIST, AFTER HE ENDS HIS WAR WITH HIS ENEMIES, (see Zechariah 14, the whole CHAPTER.) They all will worship HIM, and celebrate the Festival of Booths:

Zechariah 14:16 (HCSB)
16 Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Festival of Booths.

We will be in Heaven or at least Most of the 70th Week of DANIEL, in our Immortal Glorified Bodies. WE are part of the HEAVENLY ARMY RIDING WHITE HORSE, Returning to rule as PRIESTS throughout HIS Millennium Kingdom.

Revelation 19:13-15 (HCSB)
13 He wore a robe stained with blood, and His name is the Word of God.
14 The armies that were in heaven followed Him on white horses, wearing pure white linen.
15 A sharp sword came from His mouth, so that He might strike the nations with it. He will shepherd them with an iron scepter. He will also trample the winepress of the fierce anger of God, the Almighty.

Revelation 6:9-11 (HCSB)
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the people slaughtered because of God’s word and the testimony they had.
10 They cried out with a loud voice: “Lord, the One who is holy and true, how long until You judge and avenge our blood from those who live on the earth?”
11 So a white robe was given to each of them, and they were told to rest a little while longer until ⌊the number⌋ would be completed ⌊of⌋ their fellow slaves and their brothers, who were going to be killed just as they had been.

Revelation 20:2-5 (HCSB)
2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for 1,000 years.
3 He threw him into the abyss, closed it, and put a seal on it so that he would no longer deceive the nations until the 1,000 years were completed. After that, he must be released for a short time.
4 Then I saw thrones, and people seated on them who were given authority to judge. ⌊I⌋ also ⌊saw⌋ the people who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of God’s word, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and who had not accepted the mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with the Messiah for 1,000 years.
5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were completed. This is the first resurrection.

Revelation 20:6 (HCSB)
6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of the Messiah, and they will reign with Him for 1,000 years.


Since you have no interest in REALLY READING my posts, I AM FINISHED.

Good Luck with your Non Mainline Theology. In my opinion, YOU ARE GOING TO NEED IT, because the only hope you have is this verse:

Matthew 12:30-32 (HCSB)
30 Anyone who is not with Me is against Me, and anyone who does not gather with Me scatters.
31 Because of this, I tell you, people will be forgiven every sin and blasphemy, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him. But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the one to come.


That is a very fine line you are threading.
Keep posting @VCO , I love learning little by little about these times...
I only learned the other day that the people on the horses behind Jesus when He comes back are us , I have so much to learn , but I do know that the Millennial kingdom is where Jesus will rule on earth...

...xox...
 

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NOW I am convinced that you do not read my posts, you just skim over them, without REALLY READING THEM.

You ask me a question quite some time ago, about my thinking whether or not, that you were a Born Again Christian.

If I remember Right, I said something like this, "As far as I can tell, you are one."

Now you force me to RECONSIDER, my answer.

It now seems like you may have never been Truly Born Again.

There will be no animal sacrifices in the THIRD TEMPLE, Because after the RAPTURE, and TWO WITNESS share with them JESUS IS YOUR MESSIAH, they TOO will recognize JESUS as their MESSIAH, and HE PAID IT ALL IN FULL.

YES, the HOLY SPIRIT IN US, is the spiritual Temple, but we go to HEAVEN on invite, for the WEDDING OF THE LAMB. WHILE on EARTH, the 70th WEEK of Daniel commences, REQUIRING a THIRD TEMPLE literally. WHY?
Because HE PROPHESIED IT.


The 1000 YEAR Millennium, is RULED by CHRIST on the THRONE of DAVID, an Earthly Kingdom with CHRIST RULING. THE ETERNAL KINGDOM comes AFTER that 1000 Year Millennium is FINISHED. WHO ARE HIS MORTAL SUBJECTS ? ? ? JEWS, 144,000 of them, and the Mortal Survivors who did not take up arms against CHRIST, AFTER HE ENDS HIS WAR WITH HIS ENEMIES, (see Zechariah 14, the whole CHAPTER.) They all will worship HIM, and celebrate the Festival of Booths:

Zechariah 14:16 (HCSB)
16 Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Festival of Booths.

We will be in Heaven or at least Most of the 70th Week of DANIEL, in our Immortal Glorified Bodies. WE are part of the HEAVENLY ARMY RIDING WHITE HORSE, Returning to rule as PRIESTS throughout HIS Millennium Kingdom.

Revelation 19:13-15 (HCSB)
13 He wore a robe stained with blood, and His name is the Word of God.
14 The armies that were in heaven followed Him on white horses, wearing pure white linen.
15 A sharp sword came from His mouth, so that He might strike the nations with it. He will shepherd them with an iron scepter. He will also trample the winepress of the fierce anger of God, the Almighty.

Revelation 6:9-11 (HCSB)
9 When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the people slaughtered because of God’s word and the testimony they had.
10 They cried out with a loud voice: “Lord, the One who is holy and true, how long until You judge and avenge our blood from those who live on the earth?”
11 So a white robe was given to each of them, and they were told to rest a little while longer until ⌊the number⌋ would be completed ⌊of⌋ their fellow slaves and their brothers, who were going to be killed just as they had been.

Revelation 20:2-5 (HCSB)
2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for 1,000 years.
3 He threw him into the abyss, closed it, and put a seal on it so that he would no longer deceive the nations until the 1,000 years were completed. After that, he must be released for a short time.
4 Then I saw thrones, and people seated on them who were given authority to judge. ⌊I⌋ also ⌊saw⌋ the people who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of God’s word, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and who had not accepted the mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with the Messiah for 1,000 years.
5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the 1,000 years were completed. This is the first resurrection.

Revelation 20:6 (HCSB)
6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of the Messiah, and they will reign with Him for 1,000 years.


Since you have no interest in REALLY READING my posts, I AM FINISHED.

Good Luck with your Non Mainline Theology. In my opinion, YOU ARE GOING TO NEED IT, because the only hope you have is this verse:

Matthew 12:30-32 (HCSB)
30 Anyone who is not with Me is against Me, and anyone who does not gather with Me scatters.
31 Because of this, I tell you, people will be forgiven every sin and blasphemy, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him. But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the one to come.


That is a very fine line you are threading.
Its a fine line we are required to follow. comparing the spiritual unseen to the same unseen understanding .walking by faith . we must care how we hear What the Spirit says to the churches (us) the father of lies is ready to snatch the seeds of faith as if they were never there.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

I have read your posts . It would seem you are trusting in another foundation other than the fine line .(Sola scriptura)But rather as oral traditions of the fathers called a law of the fathers. Those that give glory to the things seen. the temporal.

You it seems are looking to the things seen the temporal as if his kingdom did come by observing the temporal corrupted things.

A good distinction between the things of men and those of God must be sought after is we are to lean how to walk by faith. Peter learned it the hard way by experience like most I know. .(Mathew 16: 22-23)

Mixing the literal things of men seen with the unseen eternal things of God is the goal of faith.

It would seem you could be serving another kind of spirit like the kind that produced a false zeal that Paul sought after as Saul before his conversion.

Study to see how the word faith is used in parables. Like the apostles in Luke 9 when Christ hid the unseen gospel understanding after the the third . . .he rebuked them and informed them; "they know not what manner of spirit they are of" . and increases their faith by teaching them how to hear him not seen by giving them more parables .

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

As beautiful the temple was to fallen faithless mankind having historical museum value it was a eyesore as a abomination of desolation to our God who hides his glory from corruption.

Another temple wold be a mockery . We are the temple we have his power in us not of the temple, us.

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. Revelation 21:22
 

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Keep posting @VCO , I love learning little by little about these times...
I only learned the other day that the people on the horses behind Jesus when He comes back are us , I have so much to learn , but I do know that the Millennial kingdom is where Jesus will rule on earth...

...xox...

Like my wife used to say, "HE IS GOING TO GIVE ME A HORSE TO RIDE IN HEAVEN!"

She used to ride before I met her. But after a Back Fusion, she had to give it up.


 

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. . . .
Another temple wold be a mockery . We are the temple we have his power in us not of the temple, us.

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. Revelation 21:22


Revelation 21:1 (HCSB)
1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea no longer existed.


THAT TAKES PLACE AFTER THE 1000 Year Millennium, AFTER THE NEW Heaven (Atmosphere) and NEW Earth has COME!


Your Theology is a joke, and that is VERY SAD!

Goodbye!
 

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Revelation 21:1 (HCSB)
1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea no longer existed.


THAT TAKES PLACE AFTER THE 1000 Year Millennium, AFTER THE NEW Heaven (Atmosphere) and NEW Earth has COME!


Your Theology is a joke, and that is VERY SAD!

Goodbye!
How sad is Phariseeism and their understanding of scripture with a veil over their eyes? Do you wear the same veil when you agree with them and reject Chris's teaching on the kingdom?
 

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Keep posting @VCO , I love learning little by little about these times...
I only learned the other day that the people on the horses behind Jesus when He comes back are us , I have so much to learn , but I do know that the Millennial kingdom is where Jesus will rule on earth...

...xox...

That's were our new faith comes from. (not us)Having the unseen treasure of His power in these bodies of death in order to reveal a unknown. The temple came down. We are the new temporal temple .We have the power of Christ in us so we can reign with him. The time of reformation has come. The last days that begun the period called thousand years will end on the "last day" some call the rapture. We walk by faith not according to what the eyes see.
 

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Revelation 21:1 (HCSB)
1 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea no longer existed.


THAT TAKES PLACE AFTER THE 1000 Year Millennium, AFTER THE NEW Heaven (Atmosphere) and NEW Earth has COME!


Your Theology is a joke, and that is VERY SAD!

Goodbye!
VERY SAD! I am sorry to hear that you oppose the mutual of faith of Christ a labor of His love that works in the believer to defends those who do walk by faith as putting on the armor of God . Therefore we can do His good pleasure . Without that faith no man could

You can look at the temporal all day and night and it will not become the eternal incorruptible.

Are you sure you do not want to try on the 20/20 prescription needed to rightly divide the parables? Are you completely satisfied to walk by sight after what the eyes see?

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Hellow! LOl

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 

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VERY SAD! I am sorry to hear that you oppose the mutual of faith of Christ a labor of His love that works in the believer to defends those who do walk by faith as putting on the armor of God . Therefore we can do His good pleasure . Without that faith no man could

You can look at the temporal all day and night and it will not become the eternal incorruptible.

Are you sure you do not want to try on the 20/20 prescription needed to rightly divide the parables? Are you completely satisfied to walk by sight after what the eyes see?

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Hellow! LOl

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

That is not it! If I read you right, we are not "the mutual of faith of Christ", YOU SEEM TO ME TO BE IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BALL PARK. In fact, I suspect you are in a psuedo Christian cult. I found nothing that we can agree on in proper interpretation in the last several pages.

Do not need you to respond to my post.
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That is not it! If I read you right, we are not "the mutual of faith of Christ", YOU SEEM TO ME TO BE IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BALL PARK. In fact, I suspect you are in a psuedo Christian cult. I found nothing that we can agree on in proper interpretation in the last several pages.

Do not need you to respond to my post.
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If we are not saved by the mutual faith of Christ, the faith of God? Then by whose work of faith as a labor of love ..
are we saved by?
 

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If we are not saved by the mutual faith of Christ, the faith of God? Then by whose work of faith as a labor of love ..
are we saved by?

That is Not what I AM talking about, as I have NEVER seen MORE Extreme OPPOSITES as YOUR view of Theology; without it being some kind of Psuedo Christian Cult.

YES you use the SAME TERMS as I do, HOWEVER DO YOU MEAN THE SAME THING AS I DO, by those Terms ? ? ?



WHO IS JESUS CHRIST TO YOU?

WHO IS THE HOLY SPIRIT TO YOU?

DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE HOLY TRINITY, and WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY HOLY TRINITY?

WHAT DOES OMNIPRESENT MEAN TO YOU?

WHAT DOES OMNISCIENT MEAN TO YOU?

DO YOU BELIEVE THE STORY OF CREATION AND IS IT A LITERAL SIX DAYS?

HOW IS AS MAN FOR FORGIVEN?

WHAT DOES BORN AGAIN MEAN TO YOU IN YOUR OWN WORDS.



YOU HAVE PROVEN YOU DO NOT BELIEVE SEVERAL OTHER THINGS, THAT I KNOW ARE REAL AND LITERAL.

SO HOW MUCH OF YOUR THEOLOGY, IS THE OPPOSITE OF MAINLINE CHRISTIANITY ? ? ?
 

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That is Not what I AM talking about, as I have NEVER seen MORE Extreme OPPOSITES as YOUR view of Theology; without it being some kind of Psuedo Christian Cult.

YES you use the SAME TERMS as I do, HOWEVER DO YOU MEAN THE SAME THING AS I DO, by those Terms ? ? ?



WHO IS JESUS CHRIST TO YOU?

WHO IS THE HOLY SPIRIT TO YOU?

DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE HOLY TRINITY, and WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY HOLY TRINITY?

WHAT DOES OMNIPRESENT MEAN TO YOU?

WHAT DOES OMNISCIENT MEAN TO YOU?

DO YOU BELIEVE THE STORY OF CREATION AND IS IT A LITERAL SIX DAYS?

HOW IS AS MAN FOR FORGIVEN?

WHAT DOES BORN AGAIN MEAN TO YOU IN YOUR OWN WORDS.



YOU HAVE PROVEN YOU DO NOT BELIEVE SEVERAL OTHER THINGS, THAT I KNOW ARE REAL AND LITERAL.

SO HOW MUCH OF YOUR THEOLOGY, IS THE OPPOSITE OF MAINLINE CHRISTIANITY ? ? ?

How much? My Dad would always say, a yard and a half .

Personally I would be more concerned as to how can we hear God the teacher who works in us .The mutual work of faith not of us but rather as it is written .(the letter of the law)

He warns us of those who do say we need a man seen to teach us and identifies it as the method of the antichrist. (1 John 2)

I would offer. The real as the literal. . the "temporal" seen must be mixed with faith the "eternal" not seen

When discussing unseen spiritual things as matters of faith (believing is seeing) The Spirit gives us His understanding as a "law faith".

It is not so much what is real and literal (the temporal historical value ) .The literal or letter of the law is death .It is isolated from the unseen gospel understanding in a parables as a law of faith (believing not seeing the literal) . When mixing the spiritual unseen understanding with the temporal as that seen we can we have heard the spell in the parable.

The two laws working as one perfect law

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The perfect law (written mixed with the unseen law of faith) performs in us as the hearing of it that in which the literal letter of the law Death could not do. Provide unseen spirit life. Both laws working as one does the work in us to both will and perform his good pleasure. Resulting in quickening ones new soul giving us simply ones his unseen understanding . The two at Calvary become one new perfect law

Beautiful gospel message in the Psalms

The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether. Psalm 19: 7-9

Altogether. Apart from each other they cannot provide salvation.