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the first 3.5 years is a time of peace. So peaceful. Israel is using their temple in war torn jerusalem and no one is against them.

The rest of the world must be living in some sort of peace also. As the antichrist has used peace and safety to gain control of the nations.

The tribulation, or time of Gods wrath, would occure after the abomination of desolation in Dan 9
Agree that there is no war/invasion in Israel for 3 1/2 years as the treaty is still in force. However, though the last 3 1/2 years are the GT per se, the world is far from tranquil before then. The 3 other horsemen are ravaging (war, famine, disease) throughout the world. Furthermore, the Magog war, which IMO precedes the peace covenant, (and probably is the CAUSE of it), has also occured.
 
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Please review VCOś response to me before suggesting that I am confused.
Sister. I have been reading VCO's posts on this subject for a few years now and he has NEVER once insisted that blood sacrifice has ever been required for them to be made clean. I think you may be misunderstanding what he has said. Can you show the post where he claimed this?
 
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Agree that there is no war/invasion in Israel for 3 1/2 years as the treaty is still in force. However, though the last 3 1/2 years are the GT per se, the world is far from tranquil before then. The 3 other horsemen are ravaging (war, famine, disease) throughout the world. Furthermore, the Magog war, which IMO precedes the peace covenant, (and probably is the CAUSE of it), has also occured.
ok, I do not agree

Jesus spoke of birth pangs which will precede the end. And I think we are in them, and it will just get worse. But they are not part of the great tribulation.
 

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There may well be a ''Temple of God'' built but Christ said true worshippers will worship the Father in Spirit and in truth. The question
is does this fit the description of those worshipping in that Temple? Going by the description of Jerusalem in Revelation ie Sodom and Egypt the answer has to be no. The inhabitants far from worshipping the Father kill two of his Prophets instead having accepted a false Messiah and are rewarded by having an earthquake destroying one third of the city. Actually Jerusalem in Revelation is depicted symbolically as 1 Babylon the Great and 2 Israel under Solomon when he had fallen into spiritual adultery. All the description of Babylon the Great comes from the description of Solomans wealth and empire in Chronicles including 666 gold bars he received from Merchants.
 
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There may well be a ''Temple of God'' built but Christ said true worshippers will worship the Father in Spirit and in truth. The question
is does this fit the description of those worshipping in that Temple? Going by the description of Jerusalem in Revelation ie Sodom and Egypt the answer has to be no. The inhabitants far from worshipping the Father kill two of his Prophets instead having accepted a false Messiah and are rewarded by having an earthquake destroying one third of the city. Actually Jerusalem in Revelation is depicted symbolically as 1 Babylon the Great and 2 Israel under Solomon when he had fallen into spiritual adultery. All the description of Babylon the Great comes from the description of Solomans wealth and empire in Chronicles including 666 gold bars he received from Merchants.
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I get a newspaper from Israel online, I am connected to a church in Israel who keeps the current news updated on all matters. According to those resources, they claim to have a copy of the actual Temple built 10 miles from where the literal site of the 3rd Temple will go. They claim to have every piece already built and can be assembled within 2 weeks time. They claim they have went to the United Nations 4 times and have been denied claiming it is Muslim Territory. But here is the kicker, they already have voted in a "High Priest" designate to perform daily sacrifice. They haven't had a High Priest designate for over 2,000 years. They are even thinking of going against the United Nations and just rebuild their Temple on its original site. All I am basing this on and thinking towards is that this is ready and in place. Scripture claims the "Antichrist" [will stop] "Daily Sacrifice." That means, there will be a Temple, there will be Daily Sacrifice, it will stop at Mid-Trib, and the Antichrist will sit in this Temple pretending to be the "Messiah."
 
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The two witnesses DO NOT CONVERT all Israel...if that were true, then fire wouldn´t have to come out of their mouths to begin with.
and they wouldn´t, after giving their testimony, be killed...

No...not all will believe.
Which is why 144,000 witnesses will again be preaching the ONE GOSPEL
Amen one gospel.

One bride made up of all the corrupted flesh and blood nations of the world. The number no man could count 144,000. Making up all of those saints redeemed according to God's three day labor of Love, a work of His faith. ...

Twelve thousand with the word thousand used to represent a unknown throughout the Bible. Twelve seems to represent the authority of of God.

Twelve to represent the gates of the city prepared as His bride. Gates for entering in are represented by tribes. (all of the old testament saints.) with the tribe of Dan. . a word meaning; Jehovah is Judge and executor of wrath . Dan a tribe used as the "spirit of judgement" ."fall backward."

Genesis 49:16 Dan shall judge his people, as one of the tribes of Israel.Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall "fall backward."

It is indicated by those who fall backward a sign of judgement used throughout the bible . Dan is left out of that description. The tribe of Dan does not enter the city of Christ as His bride. The letter of the law as to the spirit of judgement of God will not enter or rise up and condemn through corruption another whole creation.

Twelve apostles, a remnant set aside out of 27 listed apostles for the one purpose of the revealing of the bride in Revelation 21. leaving out Judas to be used like that of Dan.The spirit of judgment falling backward of falling back like ones neck was broken a sign of the un-redeemed .

Apostle (sent out) of gates as tribes are used to represent walls of the city the supporting pillars built on her husband Christ the founder of the city..

12,000 times 12,000 a number no man could number. The golden reed of measure.The measure of faith 144,000

John 18:4-6 King James Version (KJV) Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

Sorry for the rambling.
 
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AMEN!


I get a newspaper from Israel online, I am connected to a church in Israel who keeps the current news updated on all matters. According to those resources, they claim to have a copy of the actual Temple built 10 miles from where the literal site of the 3rd Temple will go. They claim to have every piece already built and can be assembled within 2 weeks time. They claim they have went to the United Nations 4 times and have been denied claiming it is Muslim Territory. But here is the kicker, they already have voted in a "High Priest" designate to perform daily sacrifice. They haven't had a High Priest designate for over 2,000 years. They are even thinking of going against the United Nations and just rebuild their Temple on its original site. All I am basing this on and thinking towards is that this is ready and in place. Scripture claims the "Antichrist" [will stop] "Daily Sacrifice." That means, there will be a Temple, there will be Daily Sacrifice, it will stop at Mid-Trib, and the Antichrist will sit in this Temple pretending to be the "Messiah."
 

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Sister. I have been reading VCO's posts on this subject for a few years now and he has NEVER once insisted that blood sacrifice has ever been required for them to be made clean. I think you may be misunderstanding what he has said. Can you show the post where he claimed this?
I never said he did...

There was NO REASON for him to supply scriptures regarding a divisive person just because I was responding in his thread.
this was the ONLY REASON he supplied these scriptures...BECAUSE...I was responding in his thread.
 

miknik5

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Finally a pre-tribber who is willing to quote scripture in an attempt to back up what they say.
So you haven't quoted any scripture that proves there will be 7 years of tribulation or 7 years of the Wrath of God. So where is your proof. Where are the scriptures that speak of a seven year period of Tribulation??? As I told you before there are no scriptures that you can quote to prove there will be 7 years of tribulation.
Whatever the reason the number 3 1/2 is a very significant number as it is mentioned several time and in several different ways.
A time and times and dividing of times,
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. 3 1/2 years.
A time, times and half of time.
Dan 12:7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. Again 3 1/2 years. How does the antichrist scatter the power of the Holy People?? The antichrist will scatter our ability to function in this world by persecuting us with great persecutions. He will make war against Christaindom and he will be allowed to make was against the saints by God.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Who are the Holy people??
We are the Holy people. God now see's us through the shed blood of Christ and therefore God see's the Holiness and righteous of Christ when He looks upon us. We are the saints spoken of in Rev 13:7.
Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. Again 3 1/2 years, The women in Rev. 12:14 is Israel who will be protected from the antichrist for three and on half years.
Rev 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. And again 1260 days is 3 1/2 years, a score is 20.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The women is Israel and the man child in Rev 12:5 is Christ.

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. We Are the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. Another time we see in Rev 11:2 42 months which is 3 1/2 years
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. Same here in Rev 13:5, 42 months is 3 1/2 years

Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
We are the saints who will still be here on earth when the antichrist makes war against us.
There is no scripture written anywhere in the Bible that says there will be a pre tribulation resurrection/rapture or 7 years of tribulation or the wrath of God. But there is plenty of scripture which I have just quoted for you that proves that something extraordinary happens at the 3 1/2 years mark.
We will suffer through 3 1/2 years of tribulation by the hand of the antichrist and then an event that is so significant will happen and will cause 30 minutes of silence in heaven.

Rev 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
The angels have been singing praises to God in heaven for an eternity and one single event causes them to stop praising God for 30 minutes..
The 3 1/2 years mark is when the Grace of God will leave the earth and the Wrath of God will fill the void left behind when Grace was removed from the earth. There is not going to be any second chance to be saved if you are left behind to suffer the Wrath of God. And there is not one single scripture that proves the idea being left behind and being saved after the resurrection takes place.
Haven't never been able to figure out the extra 21 days you mentioned. Perhaps you can show me some verifiable evidence of your explanation.
I don´t where I stand regarding the rapture, sir...

Don´t assume you know anything about my position....other than to know that I am where I am supposed to be...
 

miknik5

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And yes, I agree that there will indeed be those who will be warning their jewish, unbelieving brothers specifically about the temple...and will die because of it...all this will take place in the FIRST PART of the 7 year period

These will be considered ẗroublers¨ to the man of intrigue and will be killed for their testimony....

Then, those left behind, those who do not at that time believe, will see and understand and these will have a mark put on their foreheads because, they will be troubled by the loathsome things that are happening, (Just as scripture prophecied)...and these will also be killed

Ezekiel 9
 
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I never said he did...

There was NO REASON for him to supply scriptures regarding a divisive person just because I was responding in his thread.
this was the ONLY REASON he supplied these scriptures...BECAUSE...I was responding in his thread.
Then whay did you say this, who was this directed to?
I am divisive.,...I have no part in encouraging unbelieving Jews that their building of the temple is what GOD requires of them in order for them to be made clean.
 
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And yes, I agree that there will indeed be those who will be warning their jewish, unbelieving brothers specifically about the temple...and will die because of it...all this will take place in the FIRST PART of the 7 year period
God said the temple will be rebuilt
God said there will be sacrifice and burnt offering in that temple
God said in the middle of 3.5 weeks, a leader will enter the most holy place and defile it.

These are going to happen. The jews who do it, have been told about Christ, and even have the OT which leads to christ. yet they will still carry on. how do we know it will?

Because as I showed above, God said.

Should we warn them? Yes No one here is saying otherwise. If anyone things they have or think this, then they are misunderstanding not only this thread but the people in it
 

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Then whay did you say this, who was this directed to?
There was another post which seems to be missing...He was very clear when he said if I was going to keep responding, he would be forced to put me on ignore...

I said, you will have to do that...because I do not agree...this does not make me divisive...it means I don´t agree...that is all
 

miknik5

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God said the temple will be rebuilt
God said there will be sacrifice and burnt offering in that temple
God said in the middle of 3.5 weeks, a leader will enter the most holy place and defile it.

These are going to happen. The jews who do it, have been told about Christ, and even have the OT which leads to christ. yet they will still carry on. how do we know it will?

Because as I showed above, God said.

Should we warn them? Yes No one here is saying otherwise. If anyone things they have or think this, then they are misunderstanding not only this thread but the people in it
I know it will happen...does it mean to the jew who might be listening in, we shouldn´t be clear and say, this alone is an abomination to begin with...
 

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I will be clear...there is NOT ONE CLEAN, no NOT ONE...just as Haggai 2 declares...and that there will be ONLY ONE whose hand will lay the FOUNDATION, and whose hand will complete it....and it was never meant to be ¨Zerubabbel¨ to begin with...
 
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I know it will happen...does it mean to the jew who might be listening in, we shouldn´t be clear and say, this alone is an abomination to begin with...
we give the jew who might be listening the gospel

But we can also rejoice we may be seeing prophecy being fulfilled. I am a history buff, also a prophecy buff. I love seeing things in action. Ans this temple mount issue has been huge, I always questioned because Jesus said no stone will be left. yet here we supposedly had a whole wall or at least par of one. Did Jesus lie?

This proves jesus did not lie.. The temple was not there
 

cv5

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ok, I do not agree

Jesus spoke of birth pangs which will precede the end. And I think we are in them, and it will just get worse. But they are not part of the great tribulation.
Understood. The issue at hand is whether, as you say, worldwide peace will prevail globally before the A of D and the GT. First of all, a treaty would not be necessary UNLESS there was a conflict to settle. Futhermore, 42 months does not equal 7 years. And there is zero Scriptural evidence that there will be a 42 month wordwide peace at that juncture.....quite the contrary per Jesus, Revelation, Daniel or the Prophets.

All that is stated is that a treaty with Israel will be brokered and enforced by anti-christ for 3 1/2 years, then broken and the GT begins.
 

cv5

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we give the jew who might be listening the gospel

But we can also rejoice we may be seeing prophecy being fulfilled. I am a history buff, also a prophecy buff. I love seeing things in action. Ans this temple mount issue has been huge, I always questioned because Jesus said no stone will be left. yet here we supposedly had a whole wall or at least par of one. Did Jesus lie?

This proves jesus did not lie.. The temple was not there
The famous "wailing wall" is now known undoubtedly to be the retaining wall for the 30 acre Antonia fortress site. The Temple itself was obliterated.
 

cv5

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I don´t where I stand regarding the rapture, sir...

Don´t assume you know anything about my position....other than to know that I am where I am supposed to be...
The Rapture is Scriptural boilerplate doctrinal fact.
 
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Understood. The issue at hand is whether, as you say, worldwide peace will prevail globally before the A of D and the GT. First of all, a treaty would not be necessary UNLESS there was a conflict to settle. Futhermore, 42 months does not equal 7 years. And there is zero Scriptural evidence that there will be a 42 month wordwide peace at that juncture.....quite the contrary per Jesus, Revelation, Daniel or the Prophets.

All that is stated is that a treaty with Israel will be brokered and enforced by anti-christ for 3 1/2 years, then broken and the GT begins.
actually what it says is he will confirm a covenant with many, Israel is not even named

We just assume it is a treaty with Israel.

as we see here, If the temple mount is where it is being shown, then we do not need a treaty for them to rebuild. they can just rebuild.

the owrld gives the antichrist its power. it would not do that if forced.. He fools them into taking care of their problems by promoting a false peace that he will shatter in the middle of the week