This is my beloved Son

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rafaelsald

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He is a human being whose existence began in the womb of Mary with a perfect sperm put there by God and Mary's egg.
What are the Bible verses that say that God put a perfect sperm to fertilize the egg of Mary?
 
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What are the Bible verses that say that God put a perfect sperm to fertilize the egg of Mary?
No verse says exactly that. But it does say:

Luke 1:31) And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

Christ was prophesied to be the seed of the woman (Gen 3:15). Mary provided the egg. We know she was a virgin. The sperm had to come from God.

Luke 1:35) And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Seed comes from the male. Because Adam sinned, all men descended from Adam (everyone) is born dead in sin. Jesus Christ was not born of Adam, he was born of God.
 
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Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

JESUS IS the CHILD, He is the SON, His NAME is WONDERFUL, Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER, Prince of Peace.

JESUS IS GOD!


Anyone disagree with those statements?
Yes I do, this is why

John 8:42
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

John 8:43
Why do you not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do, He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him, when he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own; for is is a liar, and the father of it,

John 8:45
And because I tell you the truth, you believe me not.

John 8:46
Which of you convince me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

John 8:47
He that is of God hears God's word: you therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
 
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I cant believe this heretic isnt banned yet!

I guess ChristianChat doesnt mind Heresy as long as you display fruit., albeit false.., seems as long as someone poses false fruits they can spout what crap they like and accuse the true brethren day in day out using the very word that was meant for edification as a whip upon our backs
John 10:24
Then came the Jews round about him, and said onto him, How long do you make us doubt? If you be the Christ, tell us plainly

John 10:25
Jesus answered them, I told you, and you believed not; the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.

John 10:26
But you believe not, because you are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

John 10:27
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.

John 10:28
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 10:29
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.
 
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want to meet someone else who quoted the word of GOD?

Matthew 4
5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple, 6 and said to Him, “If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down. For it is written:


‘ He shall give His angels charge over you,’
and,


‘ In their hands they shall bear you up,
Lest you dash your foot against a stone.’”

He might of known scripture, but he didn't understand the scriptures. If he did, he would never of killed Jesus Christ. He knows some scripture, but he doesn't have the light in him. There is only darkness. The light reveals the truth. The light exposes the works of darkness. The light is given to the true saints.

And because he killed Christ, now all can come to salvation if they want it. And they can have the power to not let him into their lives, if they avoid sin. This makes him very furious. This is why he is always going after the saints. With great fury. And he does this subtly by decieving them. He is the great deciever, and he gets in any way he can.
 
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Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.


JESUS IS the CHILD, He is the SON, His NAME is WONDERFUL, Counselor, MIGHTY GOD, EVERLASTING FATHER, Prince of Peace.

JESUS IS GOD!




Anyone disagree with those statements?

Jesus is the Son.

John 5:30 > I can of Mine own self do nothing, as I hear, I judge, and My judgment is just, because i seek not Mine own will, but the will of the Father which sent Me.

Jesus has His own will. You have your own will. I have my own will. the Father has His own will also.
If Jesus were the Father, why does He say it is not His own will?
He would say it is indeed His own will if He were the Father, making this statement unnecessary...but it is necessary, why? because there must always be a witness. The Father is that witness.

John 5:31 >If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.

So Jesus does not bear witness of Himself.
If He were the Father, He would be breaking this rule.
It is known as false witnessing.
Jesus and His Father are not deceivers.
If Jesus were the Father, then this 5:31 is a lie.
But you are calling Him a liar by your doctrine.

John 5:32 > There is another that beareth witness of Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses of Me is true.

You can not be on the stand in court and call forth yourself as a witness for yourself to back yourself now can you? No court in the world allows this.
But your doctrine does this. And no court would accept this at all, spiritual or carnal.

John 5:37 > And the Father Himself, which hath sent Me, hath borne witness of Me. Ye have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His shape.

John 5:38 >And ye have not His word abiding in you, for whom He hath sent, Him ye believe not.



 
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Raistlin

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Jesus is the Son.

John 5:30 > I can of Mine own self do nothing, as I hear, I judge, and My judgment is just, because i seek not Mine own will, but the will of the Father which sent Me.

Jesus has His own will. You have your own will. I have my own will. the Father has His own will also.
If Jesus were the Father, why does He say it is not His own will?
He would say it is indeed His own will if He were the Father, making this statement unnecessary...but it is necessary, why? because there must always be a witness. The Father is that witness.

John 5:31 >If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true.

So Jesus does not bear witness of Himself.
If He were the Father, He would be breaking this rule.
It is known as false witnessing.
Jesus and His Father are not deceivers.
If Jesus were the Father, then this 5:31 is a lie.
But you are calling Him a liar by your doctrine.

John 5:32 > There is another that beareth witness of Me, and I know that the witness which He witnesses of Me is true.

You can not be on the stand in court and call forth yourself as a witness for yourself to back yourself now can you? No court in the world allows this.
But your doctrine does this. And no court would accept this at all, spiritual or carnal.

John 5:37 > And the Father Himself, which hath sent Me, hath borne witness of Me. Ye have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His shape.

John 5:38 >And ye have not His word abiding in you, for whom He hath sent, Him ye believe not.




Just in case some try to twist my statement...

John 8:18 >
I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

This is in another context to what Christ is saying in John 5.
IF Jesus needed, He COULD bear witness of Himself, but John 5 tells us that His Father is there to witness for Him.
Why?
The holy ones WOULD accept His witness, BUT the unholy would NOT.
This is why the Father bears witness for Him.
To shut the mouths of the unholy.



 
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AnandaHya

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wonderful an influx of the Arian heresy from Australia

Look JESUS is saying HE is ONE with GOD.


John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

Jesus has His own will. You have your own will. I have my own will. the Father has His own will also.
If Jesus were the Father, why does He say it is not His own will?
He would say it is indeed His own will if He were the Father, making this statement unnecessary...but it is necessary, why? because there must always be a witness. The Father is that witness.
because JESUS was showing us the ACCEPTABLE YEAR lived to the LORD. He was demonstrating how we should think and speak. how we should do the WILL of GOD not our OWN. why would He teach people to do their own will?

i have to make breakfast. anyways
 
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becausehedied

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Yes I do, this is why

John 8:42
Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

John 8:43
Why do you not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do, He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him, when he speaks a lie, he speaks of his own; for is is a liar, and the father of it,

John 8:45
And because I tell you the truth, you believe me not.

John 8:46
Which of you convince me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

John 8:47
He that is of God hears God's word: you therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

You seem to have forgotten this verse
Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."

What does he mean?

Also, Philippians 2:5-11
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
Php 2:6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
Php 2:7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
Php 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
Php 2:9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
Php 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
Php 2:11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Who existed in the form of God?