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J
I don't have time at the moment to answer everything. I have "cherry-picked". 
Thank you, I'll bookmark that on my IE.
So far he seems closer to Calvinist than Arminian, I'll grant that.
Okay, so Salvation and belief are simultaneous. Makes sense.
That is, assuming we are both speaking of a genuine saving faith. James would be a good cross reference on that.
Oh deary me!
Does all always mean all?
Look at who he's talking to and what he is addressing.
So, hypothetically speaking. Let's say tomorrow you discover the bible teaches that God is a good, just, loving and caring guy, but he's totally a Calvinist. Would you worship a God like that?
Compatabilistic free will, yes. Libertarian free will, no.
Jesus sure seems to disagree pretty strongly.
John 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.
...pretty good...
Do you believe in Universalism? By your words I think so.
In that context, reformed Christians believe that "all" refers to Jews and Gentiles. The whole context points to this direction...
The Gospel of John chapter 12 talks about the final events of Jesus' public ministry. The final words of the Lord for the people are stimulated by the arrival of the Greeks who were looking for Jesus (John 12:20-22). When the disciples spoke about it to Jesus, He said: "The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified." (John 12:23). So this is the context that leads us to Jesus' words in verse 32:
"Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, {saying}, I have both glorified {it}, and will glorify {it} again.
The people therefore, that stood by, and heard {it}, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all {men} unto me. " (John 12:27-32)
Does the cross draw all men unto Him? Is that what the Bible really teaches about the cross? Certainly not! The cross is foolishness to the Gentiles and a stumblingblock to the Jews, as Paul taught:
"For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. " (1 Corinthians 1:22-24)
Paul knew this truth in the same way as Jesus taught, "for those who are called, both Jews and Greeks ...". For whom is Christ the power and wisdom of God? For " those who are called." Is the salvation for all men? No, because the Gospel is foolishness to those who are not called.
These considerations, along with the immediate context of the Gentiles seeking Christ, make it clear that Jesus was saying that if He was raised in the crucifixion, He would bring all men, Jews and Gentiles, to himself. It is the same as saying that there were sheep which are not of this fold (John 10:16), ie, this is related to the Gentiles who have become one body in Christ (Ephesians 2:13-16).
In that context, reformed Christians believe that "all" refers to Jews and Gentiles. The whole context points to this direction...
The Gospel of John chapter 12 talks about the final events of Jesus' public ministry. The final words of the Lord for the people are stimulated by the arrival of the Greeks who were looking for Jesus (John 12:20-22). When the disciples spoke about it to Jesus, He said: "The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified." (John 12:23). So this is the context that leads us to Jesus' words in verse 32:
"Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
Father, glorify thy name. Then came there a voice from heaven, {saying}, I have both glorified {it}, and will glorify {it} again.
The people therefore, that stood by, and heard {it}, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.
Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.
Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all {men} unto me. " (John 12:27-32)
Does the cross draw all men unto Him? Is that what the Bible really teaches about the cross? Certainly not! The cross is foolishness to the Gentiles and a stumblingblock to the Jews, as Paul taught:
"For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. " (1 Corinthians 1:22-24)
Paul knew this truth in the same way as Jesus taught, "for those who are called, both Jews and Greeks ...". For whom is Christ the power and wisdom of God? For " those who are called." Is the salvation for all men? No, because the Gospel is foolishness to those who are not called.
These considerations, along with the immediate context of the Gentiles seeking Christ, make it clear that Jesus was saying that if He was raised in the crucifixion, He would bring all men, Jews and Gentiles, to himself. It is the same as saying that there were sheep which are not of this fold (John 10:16), ie, this is related to the Gentiles who have become one body in Christ (Ephesians 2:13-16).
J
Women are born again to eternal life the same as any other human being, by acting on Romans 10:9.
What did you expect me to say? That only women who have kids have eternal life?
What did you expect me to say? That only women who have kids have eternal life?
It says they will be saved through childbearing. If you're gunna continue the way you have been, you're gonna have to believe this one too.
Me personally, I know the solution.
Just pointing out that refusing to let the bible define it's own terms, and to attempt to understand linguistics is going to do us a lot of harm.When you refuse to let the bible define it's own terms, you create contradictions.
Do you, being a Calvinist, believe that God made you ask me that rather silly question?
J
I believe in free will too. Just not Libertarian free will.
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It's kinds of men. You've gotta be careful how you read things. For example, from this very text it says "..be made on behalf of all men..." Too bad for the women-folk, no prayers or petitions for them.
In the text it cites, "for kings and all who are in are in authority..." Why would a kind of "men" be specifically mentioned?'''
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Lil_Christian, if you demand that 1 Tim 2:4 means an all inclusive all men, you'll have to be consistant and demand along with our buddy Israel that when John 12 :33 mentions "all men" it's the same thing.
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It's kinds of men. You've gotta be careful how you read things. For example, from this very text it says "..be made on behalf of all men..." Too bad for the women-folk, no prayers or petitions for them.
In the text it cites, "for kings and all who are in are in authority..." Why would a kind of "men" be specifically mentioned?'''
EDIT:
Lil_Christian, if you demand that 1 Tim 2:4 means an all inclusive all men, you'll have to be consistant and demand along with our buddy Israel that when John 12 :33 mentions "all men" it's the same thing.
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J
The other sheep that are not of this fold (cross reference with verse 1 of the chapter) are Gentiles.(Isaiah 56:8)
The phrase one flock, one shepherd alludes to Ezekiel 34:23; 37:24; but here Jesus applies it more broadly, as Jews and Gentiles will be united in one messianic community (cf. Matt. 28:18-20; Eph 2:11-12).
Page 2043 ESV Study Bible.
It's kinds of men. You've gotta be careful how you read things. For example, from this very text it says "..be made on behalf of all men..." Too bad for the women-folk, no prayers or petitions for them.
In the text it cites, "for kings and all who are in are in authority..." Why would a kind of "men" be specifically mentioned?'''
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Lil_Christian, if you demand that 1 Tim 2:4 means an all inclusive all men, you'll have to be consistant and demand along with our buddy Israel that when John 12 :33 mentions "all men" it's the same thing.[/quote]
I don't believe that everyone goes to heaven, unlike Israel. All men means mankind (aka HUMANS. Meaning men AND women...seriously have you just been copying and pasting from other forums you've posted in? -.-)
In the text it cites, "for kings and all who are in are in authority..." Why would a kind of "men" be specifically mentioned?'''
EDIT:
Lil_Christian, if you demand that 1 Tim 2:4 means an all inclusive all men, you'll have to be consistant and demand along with our buddy Israel that when John 12 :33 mentions "all men" it's the same thing.[/quote]
I don't believe that everyone goes to heaven, unlike Israel. All men means mankind (aka HUMANS. Meaning men AND women...seriously have you just been copying and pasting from other forums you've posted in? -.-)
Rev 5:13 And every creature which is in Heaven, and in the earth, and underneath the earth, and the things that are on the sea, and the things in all of them, I heard saying: To Him sitting on the throne, and to the Lamb be the blessing and the honor and the glory and the might forever and ever.
I think All means All
I think All means All