Three Days and Three Nights

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Who is the unleavened bread? What did the feast represent and why did they feast?
 

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sundown Saturday which was the start of the first day of the week.
It's crucial to avoid the pitfall of confusing calendar days with actual days.

In the beginning, God defined Day as when the sun is up, and Night as
when the sun is down. (Gen 1:3-5, Gen 1:14-18)

In accordance with God, Jesus defined Day as no more than twelve hours
of sunlight. (John 11:9)

If you'll follow God and Jesus as fully qualified experts when it comes to
defining Day and Night, you will fare much better in your attempt to configure
a chronology of the Lord's burial and resurrection.

FYI: Days divided into twelve equal periods of sunlight were regulated by
what's known as temporal hours; which vary in length in accordance with
the time of year. There are times of the year at Jerusalem's latitude when
days on earth consist of less than 12 normal hours of daylight, and
sometimes more; but when Jesus was here; the official number of hours was
always 12 regardless.

I don't exactly know why the Jews of that era divided their days into twelve
equal periods of sunlight regardless of the seasons, but I suspect it was just
a convenient way to operate the government and conduct civil affairs;
including the Temple's activities (e.g. the daily morning and evening
sacrifices)

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You probably won't know of any examples since you're not a 6th day of the week crucifixion advocate.
 

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Who is the unleavened bread? What did the feast represent and why did they feast?
I was the 7 day period during which the Hebrews had to eat unleavened bread when they where fleeing Egypt..
 

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It's crucial to avoid the pitfall of confusing calendar days with actual days.

In the beginning, God defined Day as when the sun is up, and Night as
when the sun is down. (Gen 1:3-5, Gen 1:14-18)

In accordance with God, Jesus defined Day as no more than twelve hours
of sunlight. (John 11:9)

If you'll follow God and Jesus as fully qualified experts when it comes to
defining Day and Night, you will fare much better in your attempt to configure
a chronology of the Lord's burial and resurrection.

FYI: Days divided into twelve equal periods of sunlight were regulated by
what's known as temporal hours; which vary in length in accordance with
the time of year. There are times of the year at Jerusalem's latitude when
days on earth consist of less than 12 normal hours of daylight, and
sometimes more; but when Jesus was here; the official number of hours was
always 12 regardless.

I don't exactly know why the Jews of that era divided their days into twelve
equal periods of sunlight regardless of the seasons, but I suspect it was just
a convenient way to operate the government and conduct civil affairs;
including the Temple's activities (e.g. the daily morning and evening
sacrifices)

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Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Here God declares in the Book of Genesis that the Evening (night time) and the morning (daylight) was the first day.. So the Biblical Day starts at Evening Sundown and goes to the next Evening. Jesus followed the true Biblical definitions of the day and celebrated the Passover with His disciples on the evening of tuesday which was the Biblical start to the day of Passover. Jesus and His disciples where actually following the commandment of God and celebrated the Passover mean on the correct night.. The Passover night comes before the Passover day Jesus was executed on the the Passover day and was buried just before sundown or the start of the first day of unleavened bread a High Sabbath..
 

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I was the 7 day period during which the Hebrews had to eat unleavened bread when they where fleeing Egypt..
Sorry correction it was a memorial to the first Passover night when the Hebrews ate the sacrificial Lamb with unleavened bread..
 

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Someone new looking in may know of examples.
 
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I come up with 40 hours.

1500 Friday to 2400 Friday-Saturday = 9
2400 Friday-Saturday to 2400 Saturday-Sunday = 24
2400 Sunday to 0700 Sunday = 7

This doesn't match the predicted 72 hours, but then again, Jeremiah predicted a 70 year Captivity and it ended up being just 49 years. People look for exact fulfillment of prophesy as a sign of the existence of the supernatural, to shore up their flagging faith perhaps, but no such sign is given.
 

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I presented the word of God. I presented the fact that the Jews of the day ADDED laws to God's laws that God never said. I presented scriptures where the God of the world says there are 12 hours in a day. I presented, based on what that same God said, that it is impossible for ANYONE to get a Fri. burial, and a Sun. morning raising, using what God tells us; "...Are there not twelve hours in the day?...".

I now present this....

Deut.8
[3] And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

Matt.4
[4] But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

2 Tim.3
[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

God's word tells us that ALL of our doctrine is to come from one place; "...ALL scripture...", and that would be from Gen. thru Rev.


With that being said AND knowing God's word I also presented the question,


"Does it really matter how the Jews of Jesus day counted a day?"


Do we use the Jewish idiom of the day, or do we use, "... every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God..." and "...All scripture..." for our doctrine?


Do you have any information asked for in the OP?


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Exactly so ! not only should we heed every word spoken from the mouth of God, we should heed scripture-the written word !!! and it says so in
1Cor 15v3,4....how Jesus died, was buried and rose again the 3rd day ACCORDING to SCRIPTURE !

If some people come up with a 24 or 36 hour resurrection they are obviously in ERROR according to JESUS OWN prediction Mat 12v40 - for 3 days and 3 nights are a total of 72 hours.

We don't need any 'information' re 'jewish idioms....we KNOW they are wrong and so are Christians using their own idioms !!!
 

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Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a "discussion" with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase "x" days and "x"nights was ever used in the first century or before when it didn’t include at least parts of the "x" days and at least parts of the "x" nights?
This is how I think they understand it.

*[[Luk 13:32]] ISV* He told them, “Go and tell that fox, ‘Listen! I am driving out demons and healing today and tomorrow, and on the third day I will finish my work.

today, tomorrow then the third day.

Day of resurrection:

*[[Luk 24:21]] ISV* But we kept hoping that he would be the one to redeem Israel. What is more, this is now the third day since these things occurred.

NOW IS THE THIRD DAY.. .

*[[Luk 9:22]] ISV* He said, “The Son of Man must suffer a great deal and be rejected by the elders, the high priests, and the scribes. Then he must be killed, but on the third day he will be raised.”

On the third day...

Did Jesus broke his promise?...
It is just a waste to look into much details.
But it was fulfilled
 

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Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a "discussion" with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase "x" days and "x"nights was ever used in the first century or before when it didn’t include at least parts of the "x" days and at least parts of the "x" nights?
Your thinking on that is kind of twisted.

When Jesus declared His body would be in the tomb for 3 days and 3 nights, that's exactly the time He meant.

Just so happens, the Hebrew reckoning for a day is what they went by back then (sunset to sunset).
 
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Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a "discussion" with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase "x" days and "x"nights was ever used in the first century or before when it didn’t include at least parts of the "x" days and at least parts of the "x" nights?
My understanding (and I'm sure some will quickly make an attempt to correct me ;)) is this:

The word "day" can mean only part of a day, Its context will usually make it clear if that's the case. However, when a number is used in conjunction with the word day, it means an actual 24 hr day.
 

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[QUis a TE=rstrats;818661]Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a "discussion" with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase "x" days and "x"nights was ever used in the first century or before when it didn’t include at least parts of the "x" days and at least parts of the "x" nights?
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Also, Did you look on how they counted the days and nights in Jonah?

It is not how exactly many hours. it is how they believed it was the third day as promise as per the scriptures. Maybe the same period while Jonah is in the belly is the same period Jesus was dead. And they count it as that.
 
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Again.....do we go with what the Romans did...or do we go with what the one that will judge all of mankind says?


How many hours did Christ say there are in a day?
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Jesus said there are 12 hours in a day.

Author: Maria Marola

English Translators Confuse Messiah's Resurrection

The first thing that we have to understand before moving forward in this study, is what these terminologies mean in scripture:

The term "evening" is the Hebrew word erev:

#6153 `ereb eh'-reb from 6150; dusk:--+ day, even(-ing, tide), night.

It comes from the root word "arab" and it means this:

#6150 `arab aw-rab' a primitive root (identical with 6148 through the idea of covering with a texture); to grow dusky at sundown:--be darkened, (toward) evening.

The period that is called "evening" in Genesis 1:5 means dusk, and is a period that lasts from 12 noon until 6:00 p.m. But this verse in Genesis 1:5 says that there was a period called "evening" (noon until sundown) and then a period called morning (from sunrise to twelve noon) and that completed a 12 hour "day."

John 11:9 Yahu'shua answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day?

Okay, so we have established that there are 12 hours in a day---not 24 hours. The idea of a 24 hour cycle for a day comes from ancient Babylon. The 24 hour day is a picture of "mixture."

God always separated the night from the day, the darkness from the light. They are never co-mingled and treated as one time period:

2nd Corinthians 6:14...... and what communion hath light with darkness?

Hence these terms in scripture, mean the following things:

Morning: sunrise until noon
Evening: noon until sundown (dusk or twilight)
Night: after sundown until before dawn the next morning (total darkness)
Day: a twelve hour cycle from sunrise to sunset

The term called "night" in scripture is "Laila" in Hebrew and it is not the same thing as "evening."

There are 4 Watches in a Night and each one is 3 hours long totaling 12 hours to a "night."

The Hebrew word for "day" is "Yom" and it most often means "from sunrise to sunset" or during the warm hours of the day. It can also mean "the full period from sunset to sunset" or a 24 hour period.

But most often, in scripture, the term "day" means the period of 12 hours from sunrise to sunset as our Messiah established in John 11:9.

Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

In Hebrew, one can say "Good Night" or "Night Good" and the order of the words does not matter like it does in English. Therefore, the order in which the evening and the morning are being described in Genesis 1:5 does not matter.

When reading Genesis 1:5, it would appear that because "evening" (sundown) comes first and then "morning," (from sunrise to noon) comes next in the sentence, that this is in chronological order. It would appear to the reader then that the "first day" is speaking of a 24-hour period from sunset to sunset. But now I realize that is not what this verse is describing. It is describing a 12-hour period in each "day" (from sunrise to sunset).

Morning began at sunrise and ended at 12 noon, and the evening began at 12 noon and ended at sundown. The entire period being spoken of in Genesis 1:5 is a 12 hour day as Yahu'shua said in John 11:9.

We know that this is true, because the "Morning & Evening" sacrifices in the temple were done within a 12 hour period as follows:

2nd Chronicles 13:11 And they burn unto YHWH every morning and every evening burnt sacrifices and sweet incense: the shewbread also set they in order upon the pure table; and the candlestick of gold with the lamps thereof, to burn every evening: for we keep the charge of YHWH our Elohim (God); but ye have forsaken him.

The "Morning Sacrifices" were done at sunrise and the "Evening Sacrifices" were done at sundown. These two daily sacrifices are done as "bookends" at the beginning and end of a day.

So Let's Define the terms:

1.) The New Calendar "Date" Begins at sundown

2.) The "Day" begins at sunrise and is 12 hours long

With this understanding, we can see that morning came first (sunrise to noon) and the evening came after wards (12 noon until sunset) but this shows that the "Calendar Date" changes at the close of "evening" not at the close of "night" at sunrise.

So When Did Messiah Resurrect?

Most people assume that he resurrected on Sunday Morning because of this verse in Matthew 28:1.

The problem with Matthew 28:1 is that the word "dawn" is a mistranslation. The Greek word there for "dawn" is the equivalent of a word in Hebrew that means "a mixture of light and dark" hence the word should really be "dusk" as the sun was going down.

The Strong's Hebrew Concordance reveals that at sundown, the "dawning of the day" is at twilight or dusk:

#5399 nesheph neh'-shef from 5398; properly, a breeze, i.e. (by implication) dusk (when the evening breeze prevails):--dark, dawning of the day (morning), night, twilight.

The Greek words are as follows:

#2020. epiphosko ep-ee-foce'-ko a form of 2017; to begin to grow light:--begin to dawn, X draw on.

#2017. epiphauo ep-ee-fow'-o a form of 2014; to illuminate (figuratively):--give light.

You can see why the English translators thought that the word should be "dawn" as in early in the morning, just before sunrise, but the word epiphosko can mean "....to draw on" and it can mean "the beginning of something" as in the "dawn of a new era." Hence for something to "dawn" meant that something new was approaching. The term is much more broad than the English word that we use to describe "sunrise."

Murdock's Translation on e-sword has it translated correctly:

Matthew 28:1 And in the evening of the Sabbath as it was dusk, as the first (day) of the week began to dawn, came Mary of Magdala and the other Mary, to view the sepulcher.

You will notice that Murdock is calling this time of day "dusk" but he is saying that the "week" (Sabbaton in Greek) was beginning to "dawn" or to "draw on." In other words it was not sunrise, but it was the end of the Sabbath at sundown, as the new week was approaching (dawning).

The MRC Translation on e-sword translates it like this:

Matthew 28:1 Now late on the Shabbat, as it began to draw toward the first of the week, Miriam of Magdala and the other Miriam went to look at the grave.

Andrew Gabriel Roth who translated the Aramaic Peshitta also agrees with this interpretation. Here is what he says:

"Aramaic literally reads 'b'ramsha din b'shabata' or 'in the evening of the shabbat.' What is true for dawning is also true for setting in the sense of 'conclusion' as is meant here....Murdock and Etheridge also confirm this idiomatic reading in their translations."

Something that one must understand is that the Calendar Date changes at sunset each day--- not at midnight. It was Pope Gregory who made the date change at midnight in 1532 C.E., thus fulfilling the role of the Beast in Daniel 7:23-25. "The Beast shall think to change times and laws..." The new day was"dawning" at sunset and the word "day" here is in italics in the King James Version. Whenever you see a word in italics in the KJV, that means it was not there originally.

The verse should read like this in the King James Version:

Matthew 28

1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to draw on toward the first of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

Now think about this logically. The Sabbath ends on Saturday night at sundown right? It says here that it was the "end of the Sabbath" so how in the world could it be early Sunday morning if the Sabbath had not ended yet? It was still approaching the end of the Sabbath on Saturday Night before sundown. Hence, when it says "towards the first of the week" it is telling us that Saturday Night sundown had not arrived yet, but it was moving towards sundown on Saturday Night-----the first Calendar Date of the week!

This period is called "Havdalah" in Hebrew which means "exiting the Sabbath."

We see this occurring in Acts 20:7:

Acts 20:7 And upon the first (day) of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Most Christians use this as an excuse to say that "Sunday" is the true "Christian Sabbath" and they think that they have "proof" that the disciples "broke bread" on the first "day" of the week. The natural conclusion would be to think that this is speaking of "Sunday Morning" but the word "day" does not appear in the orginal text! In the King James Version, it reads like this:

Acts 20:7: And upon the first of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

You will then realize that this was not speaking about Sunday Morning, but it is speaking about the "first calendar date" of the week called "Havdalah" (exiting the Sabbath). It is further validated by the fact that Paul preached until midnight that same night. If this had been Sunday Morning, he would've preached from early Sunday at 9:00 a.m. (approximately) until 12 midnight that same night and this means he would've preached for 15 hours straight! It is absurd to believe that Paul preached that many hours in one day!

One of the things that I like about the King James Version, is that it italicizes words that were not originally there in the text. The word "day" is in italics here in John 20:1:

John 20:1 The first (day) of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Notice that it was "yet dark" and the word "day" was not there in the original text.

Hence it does not say "the first day of the week" it says "the first of the week" meaning the first calendar date of the week. Y'shua said in John 11:9 that there are 12 hours in a day.

Did you ever wonder why our Messiah made a point of separating 3 days from 3 nights? If a "day" is 24 hours long, why did he not say that he would be in the heart of the earth for "three days?" Why did he make a point of saying "three days & three nights?"

The word Greek word for "half" in Revelation 11:11 is a word that means "a part of" something, and not necessarily "fifty percent of something."

#2255. hemisu hay'-mee-soo neuter of a derivative from an inseparable prefix akin to 260 (through the idea of partition involved in connection) and meaning semi-; (as noun) half:--half.

Revelation 11:11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

If scripture sets a precedence of defining a "half of a day" as only a part of a day and it does not round off the partition of the day to a full day, then one cannot use the full day of Wednesday (Messiah's Crucifixion) to mean the entire "day one" of the "3 days and 3 nights" prophecy. The first "day" of this prophecy must then commence on Thursday at sunrise (the morning after his crucifixion).

This means 6-12 hour cycles:

Wednesday 3:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m. = 1/2 of a day
Wednesday 6:00 p.m.- Thursday 6:00 a.m. = #1 night
Thursday 6:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. = #1 day
Thursday 6:00 p.m. - Friday 6:00 a.m. = #2 night
Friday 6:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. = # 2 day
Friday 6:00 p.m. - Saturday 6:00 a.m. # 3 night
Saturday 6:00 a.m. - 6:00 p.m. = # 3 day

Grand Total = 3 days & 3 nights (and a half of a day on Wednesday like the 2 witnesses in Revelation 11).

The idea of a calling a 24-hour cycle a "day" comes from Babylon. The fact that it was the "first" calendar date of the week, and it was dark means that it was after sundown on Saturday night when the women were able to go to the tomb. The Roman Soldiers were ordered to stand guard until the end of the three day watch, and so the women would've been arrested had they gone to the tomb sooner. By the time the women arrived, the stone had already been rolled away earlier that day and the angel was there waiting to give them the good news!

Messiah resurrected before the end of Sabbath while it was still daylight!
 

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Hi! Rstrats.

Here you are again
 
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A reference for you all. Please let me know what you determine from this, thank you....


Joh 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. (Was it a special Sabbath or the regular Sabbath?)

As far as I have learned, the weekly day of preparation would be Yom Sheshi, Friday until sundown.........please give me your counting, thanks again....
This is not meant to be offensive or a put down - it's just true.

Not understanding the world of the Jews and their customs (like the ceremonial laws) is what leads to confusion over the questions of when Jesus was crucified. Because of this lack of knowledge most folks miss the fact that there were two Sabbaths that week because of it being the Passover week. When you take this into consideration, the "three days and three nights" question disappears.
 
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The Two Sabbaths of Passover

Most people believe that Y’shua (Jesus) died on Passover and arose on Sunday. However, is this what the Scriptures prove? In order to get the whole picture one must piece together the information given in the gospels, co-ordinating this picture with the information in the Old Testament describing what was going on during the Passover season.

We know that Y’shua celebrated the Passover in obedience to the commandments to do so given in Leviticus 23, Exodus 12 and Numbers 28:16-25. He began the events leading to His death by celebrating this event for which He instructed His disciples to prepare:

And the disciples went out, and came to the city, and found it just as He (Y’shua) had told them; and they prepared the Passover. Mark 14:16

After eating the Passover meal (seder), Y’shua went to the Garden of Gethsemane with the disciples to pray. (Matthew 26:36-46; Mark 14:32-42; Luke 22:40-46)

And they came to a place named Gethsemane; and He said to His disciples, "Sit here until I have prayed." Mark 14:32

After praying, Y’shua was arrested, tried and on the cross by 9 a.m. the next day.

And having arrested Him, they led Him away, and brought Him to the house of the high priest... Luke 22:54

Now when morning had come, all the chief priests and the elders of the people took counsel against Y’shua to put Him to death;
[SUP]2[/SUP] and they bound Him, and led Him away, and delivered Him up to Pilate. Matthew 27:1-2

And it was the third hour when they crucified Him. Mark 15:25

As most everyone knows, Messiah died, was buried and resurrected. The traditional teaching says that Y’shua died on Friday, the weekly Sabbath, (good Friday) and arose on the following Sunday. However, Y’shua, HIMSELF, said,

for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matthew 12:40

Is it possible to get three days AND three nights from Friday to Sunday? No, it is not. Therefore, from Messiah’s own words we can see that this teaching cannot be correct. Therefore, exactly what did happen?

Leviticus 23 gives us the important and “missing” information in the traditional teaching. Because we have not bothered to put the New Testament account into its Old Testament framework, we have misunderstood and misconstrued the events of the Passover season in which Y’shua died and was resurrected. Therefore, to understand what happened, let’s look at this missing info.

[SUP]5[/SUP]In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight (*when God says a new day begins) is Yahweh's Passover.
[SUP]6[/SUP] 'Then on the fifteenth day of the same month there is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to Yahweh; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread.
[SUP]7[/SUP] 'On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work.
[SUP]8[/SUP] 'But for seven days you shall present an offering by fire to Yahweh. On the seventh day is a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work.'" Leviticus 23:5-8 (*my commentary)

This passage tells us that the Passover is on the 14[SUP]th[/SUP] and the Feast of Unleavened Bread begins the 15[SUP]th[/SUP]; they are back-to-back. The first day (and the last day) of the Feast of Unleavened Bread is a Sabbath. This is a “special” Sabbath, also called a “high Sabbath”. Therefore, the Sabbath for which Y’shua had to be removed from the cross was the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, not the weekly Sabbath. (The weekly Sabbath does play a part in Y’shua’s timeline, which we will shortly see.) Unlike the weekly Sabbath that is every Friday night to Saturday night, this special Sabbath can fall on any day of the week.

To make all of these events fit, we can count backwards from the weekly Sabbath and figure out what evening Y’shua and the disciples had the Passover meal and what day He was crucified. The timeline of events would look like this:
Tuesday night – Passover Seder (meal), prayer in Gethsemane, arrested,
brought before the Jews
Wednesday morning – before Pilate, on the cross by 9 a.m., dead by 3 p.m.²
Wednesday night – Y’shua in the tomb – first night, High Sabbath begins
Thursday – Y’shua in the tomb – first day, High Sabbath,
Thursday night – Y’shua in the tomb, second night, end of High Sabbath
Friday – Y’shua in the tomb, second day, spices bought & prepared
Friday night – Y’shua in the tomb, third night, weekly Sabbath begins
Saturday – Y’shua in the tomb third day, weekly Sabbath
Saturday Night – Y’shua NOT IN THE TOMB, End of weekly Sabbath
 
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Simply mentioning that Wednesday evening was Thursday (you're right of course) solves so many problems, it's unbelievable. First, I have been trying to locate the year forever But there is no Thursday with a full moon anywhere in the range between 25 and 34 AD, the only possible years for Jesus to have been age 30 and dying 2-3 years later, even counting 7BC as a possible birthdate. But when I looked again, based on Wednesday night being Thursday, there it was, right at 27AD. (This uses the astro-calendar in the Online Bible Program. This fixes Jesus' birthdate at 7 or 6 BC, depending on whether the ministry was 2 or 3 years, in exact agreement with whether your 490 days is right. Finally a chronology that matches the astronomy that explains what could have been the star!

If one goes by Zechariah's temple service (based on the Chronicles order of service), Jesus was born at Tabernacles, give or take a few days. There are those who feel the Temple calendar is wrong, and the Dead Sea Scrolls calendar scroll is the one God intends. Their system places His birth at Passover. If your 490 days is correct, then suddenly Jesus was about 30 yr. old when He started, because, just after He celebrated Tabernacles 25AD for the last time as a "carpenter", He celebrated His birthday, got baptized by John, and spent 40 days in the desert. That starts His ministry on almost exactly the first of Kislev, and that's (if there was no intercalary month) 490 days. That chronology proves their whole system wrong, as I have suspected for quite some time. That just feels like the Jesus I know. He fulfilled every prophecy, so there could be no doubt about who He was.

Paul was martyred in 64, that's now 37 years after Jesus died. And now we can account for Paul's life better, as it took several years for him to get to the point where he would be known as a persecutor of Jews. I've always felt we needed about 5 more years than the traditions gave us.

But that means that every church tradition is wrong. Actually. I'm not surprised.

The trick with unleavened bread is rolling it out flat and punching holes in it.
Jesus being born during the Feast of Tabernacle (live among them) seems logical to me. His death at Passover falls right in line with this thinking. I guess that means He'll return during the Feast of Trumpets? (which is followed by The Last Day)
 

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My understanding (and I'm sure some will quickly make an attempt to correct me ;)) is this:

The word "day" can mean only part of a day, Its context will usually make it clear if that's the case. However, when a number is used in conjunction with the word day, it means an actual 24 hr day.
Guess I'll have to correct you.

The Hebrew reckoning was very specific as to periods of the night and day.

The day was simply from dawn to sunset. And the night was from sunset to the next dawn.
 
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Guess I'll have to correct you.

The Hebrew reckoning was very specific as to periods of the night and day.

The day was simply from dawn to sunset. And the night was from sunset to the next dawn.
I don't see how that is a correction of what I said above. I'm aware that Jews figured evening to morning as a day. The question was could "part" of a day be considered a day and I said NOT if it is preceded by a number (such as in Three Days and Three Nights).