Three Different Days

[Chopper]

There are three different days as described by the Bible... New Moon Days, Work Days, and Sabbath days.
In contrast to those three types of days, only two of them are part of the appointed times, which are otherwise called set apart (Holy, holidays) days where the three days are then New Moon Days, Feast Days, and Sabbaths.

There is yet another change coming to the calendar the world uses today, known as the Gregorian calendar in an attempt to imitate the biblical calendar even more so as to try and fool the whole world even farther, but still refusing to use the moon to set the months as we are told to do by the Word of Yah.

Looking at their plans, this could take place in 2017, or 2023.

The World Calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Still think there's nothing going on with the calendar to which is full of paganism, false mighty ones, which might fool even the very elect? The repairing of the breach shall take place, and the call to come out of the spiritual confusion known as Babylon is being made in our time! Repent, and seek the Kingdom of Yah!

 

[john832]

This change is not the most concerning, the one that is most concerning is the attempt to change Sunday to the last day of the week.

 

[Chopper]

Are you familiar with the idea where you set two things out that are wrong, and attempt to make one of them appear as being right by comparing the two, without ever really revealing the one they are imitating which is actually right?

Think about that, and then look back at the two different calendars that were being used during the time of the new covenant. The one that was being used by the Romans was an 8 day calendar, where the day you speak of was actually the second day, and not the first as being shown currently. If you compare the biblical calendar to the currently used pagan Gregorian calendar, neither of the days described as being the weekend are the actual appointed Sabbath days.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

What do you mean ...

Looking at their plans, this could take place in 2017, or 2023.

What plans? I see nothing anywhere on Wikipedia (which I find to be about as useful as a screen door in a submarine anyway) or elsewhere about a "calendar change" coming in the next two to eight years. Where do you get that?

 

[john832]

Are you familiar with the idea where you set two things out that are wrong, and attempt to make one of them appear as being right by comparing the two, without ever really revealing the one they are imitating which is actually right?

Think about that, and then look back at the two different calendars that were being used during the time of the new covenant. The one that was being used by the Romans was an 8 day calendar, where the day you speak of was actually the second day, and not the first as being shown currently. If you compare the biblical calendar to the currently used pagan Gregorian calendar, neither of the days described as being the weekend are the actual appointed Sabbath days.

The calendar the church used at that time was the Hebrew calendar based on the moon. The problem with the calendar is this...

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Now there is only one Law that has to do with time.

 

[john832]

Are you familiar with the idea where you set two things out that are wrong, and attempt to make one of them appear as being right by comparing the two, without ever really revealing the one they are imitating which is actually right?

Think about that, and then look back at the two different calendars that were being used during the time of the new covenant. The one that was being used by the Romans was an 8 day calendar, where the day you speak of was actually the second day, and not the first as being shown currently. If you compare the biblical calendar to the currently used pagan Gregorian calendar, neither of the days described as being the weekend are the actual appointed Sabbath days.

By the way...

Chopper Read?

 

[Chopper]

What do you mean ...

What plans? I see nothing anywhere on Wikipedia (which I find to be about as useful as a screen door in a submarine anyway) or elsewhere about a "calendar change" coming in the next two to eight years. Where do you get that?

Did you miss this part of my original post?

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Looking at their plans, this could take place in 2017, or 2023.

The World Calendar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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[john832]

What I see as a very important part of this is that on this proposed calendar, the weekly cycle is not disturbed. Many proposed calendars do just that including the idea proposed by the Lisbon Treaty.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

The calendar the church used at that time was the Hebrew calendar based on the moon. The problem with the calendar is this...

No, John, the church used the Roman calendar. It was not a lunar calendar like the Hebrew and other Semitic calendars of the day, and unlike the later Julian and Gregorian calendars, the Roman calendar had a different system for numbering the days of the month. The months were divided into day markers that fell at the start of the month, the fifth or seventh day, and in the middle of the month. These 3 markers were called Calends, Nones and Ides.

 

[Chopper]

The calendar the church used at that time was the Hebrew calendar based on the moon. The problem with the calendar is this...

Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Now there is only one Law that has to do with time.

Thanks for saying this, as you are now pointing to the root of the issue.

What happens when the biblical calendar is being attempted to be changed?
Is that not attempting to change times, perhaps even laws?

There is only one calendar that is right, and it is not the calendar that was ordered to be observed by Pope Gregory the 13th, otherwise known as the Gregorian calendar.

How can we know the appointed times by any other calendar that is not the one established by the Word of Yah?

 

[john832]

No, John, the church used the Roman calendar. It was not a lunar calendar like the Hebrew and other Semetic calendars of the day, and unlike the later Julian and Gregorian calendars, the Roman calendar had a different system for numbering the days of the month. The months were divided into day markers that fell at the start of the month, the fifth or seventh day, and in the middle of the month. These 3 markers were called Calends, Nones and Ides.

No my friend, they did not use the Roman calendar...

Passover:

1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
1Co 11:27 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

Days of Unleavened Bread:

Act 20:6 And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.

1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Pentecost:

Act 20:16 For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.

1Co 16:8 But I will tarry at Ephesus until Pentecost.

Atonement:

Act 27:9 Now when much time was spent, and when sailing was now dangerous, because the fast was now already past, Paul admonished them,

There is some debate over this one, whether it is Passover season or the Feast of Tabernacles...

Act 18:21 But bade them farewell, saying, I must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God will. And he sailed from Ephesus.

Point being, those days are not reckoned by the Roman calendar but rather by the Hebrew calendar.

 

[john832]

Thanks for saying this, as you are now pointing to the root of the issue.

What happens when the biblical calendar is being attempted to be changed?
Is that not attempting to change times, perhaps even laws?

There is only one calendar that is right, and it is not the calendar that was ordered to be observed by Pope Gregory the 13th, otherwise known as the Gregorian calendar.

How can we know the appointed times by any other calendar that is not the one established by the Word of Yah?

The appointed times are not now determined by the current calendar or any calendar except the one God revealed...

Lev 23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Lev 23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.

The real issue is when the Sabbath becomes a forced work day and Sunday the enforced day of worship. Remember Constantine?

 

[Vernon]

" Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. " Colossians 2:16-17

Chopper,

I feel your concern about the pagan calendar which this world uses to count the days of existence in this world, but we have sound teaching from St Paul that tells us we are no longer to concern ourselves with the things of this world because our life is now in Christ. Even St John in his first epistle speaks about this, " Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. " 1John 2:15

If you believe it to be a sin to celebrate certain holidays that were at one time pagan, then you should not celibrate them, but you should not judge others who do celibrate them.

If you have a burden for christians to follow a different calendar then you should present this calendar to the elders of the churches explaining your concern about the pagan origin of the calendar the world follows. If it is God's will for christians to follow a different calendar then your efforts will be rewarded.

Christ be with you always.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

No my friend, they did not use the Roman calendar...

... Point being, those days are not reckoned by the Roman calendar but rather by the Hebrew calendar.

The holy days were kept according to the Hebrew schedule, but since the cities of the world outside the Mideast, particularly in Asia and southern Europe where Paul's ministry took him, used the Roman calendar, that is the calendar they used.

Even the Hebrew calendar was not used in the secular things of Israel, such as business and commerce. The rest of the world used the Roman calendar, so the professionals of Israel had to do the same. The Hebrew calendar was maintained only by the priesthood. Jews outside Israel marked the holy days on their Roman calendars.

 

[Jeff_56]

yahweh knows.

listen to yahshua.

make no images (or avatars) or idols in the likeness of anything yahweh forbids.
(often ignored, but forever unchanged - yahweh's decree).

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

yahweh knows.

listen to yahshua.

make no images (or avatars) or idols in the likeness of anything yahweh forbids.
(often ignored, but forever unchanged - yahweh's decree).

And ...

... the relevance herein? Idols, images, avatars -- have what to do with a calendar, exactly?

 

[Chopper]

Gen 1:14 And Elohim said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Gen 1:14 And Elohim said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

That's what's funny, those who think they are following the letter of the law by keeping a Saturday Sabbath, or even a Sunday are both wrong if it's not in line with the new moon phases are per the Lords instructions. But they will argue over Saturday or Sunday till they are blue in the face. LOL

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

That's what's funny, those who think they are following the letter of the law by keeping a Saturday Sabbath, or even a Sunday are both wrong if it's not in line with the new moon phases are per the Lords instructions. But they will argue over Saturday or Sunday till they are blue in the face. LOL

The Hebrew calendar does not skip over day. Sabbath (Saturday or actually Friday at sundown) is always the Sabbath, as are the other six days consistent, even when they add a month in their leap year.

The Hebrew calendar is confusing, because it relies on the lunar phase to determine the months, but the solar phase to determine the year. The regular year is 354+ days, the leap year 383+ days. In a 29-year cycle, there are typically seven leap years. Additionally, they divided their hours into 1,080 halaqim (parts). It'll drive ya nuts!

 

[john832]

" Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. " Colossians 2:16-17

Chopper,

I feel your concern about the pagan calendar which this world uses to count the days of existence in this world, but we have sound teaching from St Paul that tells us we are no longer to concern ourselves with the things of this world because our life is now in Christ. Even St John in his first epistle speaks about this, " Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. " 1John 2:15

If you believe it to be a sin to celebrate certain holidays that were at one time pagan, then you should not celibrate them, but you should not judge others who do celibrate them.

If you have a burden for christians to follow a different calendar then you should present this calendar to the elders of the churches explaining your concern about the pagan origin of the calendar the world follows. If it is God's will for christians to follow a different calendar then your efforts will be rewarded.

Christ be with you always.

I don't let anyone judge me for keeping the Sabbath and the Feast Days. Notice this verse has the positive aspect of keeping the days but not letting anyone judge you for it.