Three Questions for Calvinists

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Pilgrimshope

Pilgrimshope

Well-known member
#41
Sep 2, 2020
14,146
5,722
113
#41
Shepherd said:
Luke 14
15And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God.16Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many: 17And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready. 18And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused. 19And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused. 20And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.
21So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind. 22And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room. 23And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled. 24For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.
Did the man actually invite those who gave the excuses?
Did those who made the excuses know that they were being invited?
So, if the man originally wanted them to come, why did they end up with no supper?
Click to expand...
Maybe they didn’t realize what they were being invited to

“And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭19:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“…Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:37‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 
PennEd

PennEd

Senior Member
#42
Apr 22, 2013
13,584
9,104
113
#42
Magenta said:
No, I did not miss the point entirely. The examples of what you believe would not have
anyone being erroneously/wrongfully accused of being a Calvinist. They were disingenuous.
Click to expand...
Whatevs. Stew if that's what makes you happy.
 
GaryA

GaryA

Truth, Honesty, Love, Courage
#44
Aug 10, 2019
9,830
4,315
113
mywebsite.us
#44
Apparently, all you need to do to start a ruckus is to simply say the word 'Calvinist'...
 
Magenta

Magenta

Senior Member
#46
Jul 3, 2015
60,171
29,469
113
#46
joecoten said:
Or OSAS!
Click to expand...
I find it odd that one of Calvinism's five points is perseverance of
the saints, and yet I have met avowed Calvinists who deny OSAS :unsure:

It is quite contradictory to believe one and not the other.
 
J

joecoten

Guest
#47
#47
Magenta said:
I find it odd that one of Calvinism's five points is perseverance of
the saints, and yet I have met avowed Calvinists who deny OSAS :unsure:

It is quite contradictory to believe one and not the other.
Click to expand...
I believe both.
 
Magenta

Magenta

Senior Member
#49
Jul 3, 2015
60,171
29,469
113
#49
joecoten said:
I believe both.
Click to expand...
It is hard not to notice when any/so many contradict their own beliefs :geek:

One thing I find humorous is when the Calvinist will say that God ordains everything
in the sense of Him causing everything to happen, as in, God makes everything happen
the way it does. Of course this belief in itself is detestable, for it ascribes evil to God,
but the belief must also entail the fact that God causes people to oppose Calvinism :giggle:
 
XavierJesusLovesIndia

XavierJesusLovesIndia

Banned
#50
Nov 26, 2021
1,125
545
113
India
#50
I'm not a Calvinist, but I do consider Calvinists brothers and sisters in Christ, since they believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

As for the questions, from a non-Calvinistic perspective:

1. Yes, the Man in the Parable represents Christ or God Himself. Christ really calls and invites all to Salvation.
2. Yes, imho, they knew they were being invited, yet still refused to come to His Supper. Hence, He chose others.
3. Because Free Will is real imo, and thus some can choose to freely refuse God's Calling, and He accepts their choice.

God Bless.
 
2ndTimothyGroup

2ndTimothyGroup

Well-known member
#51
Feb 20, 2021
5,883
1,953
113
#51
GaryA said:
Apparently, all you need to do to start a ruckus is to simply say the word 'Calvinist'...
Click to expand...
When people label another as a "calvinist," it is a false judgment of that person's heart (if they don't claim the position). And I must say, people can judge me all they like . . . however, my Father in Heaven isn't so graceful and understanding as myself. If anyone knows anything about Righteous Judgment, it's a brutal position to place oneself into. But if judging the hearts and minds of others floats "your" boat . . . enjoy yourselves.
 
Nehemiah6

Nehemiah6

Senior Member
#53
Jul 18, 2017
26,074
13,776
113
#53
Magenta said:
Although some Calvinists are known as "4-point Calvinists"
Click to expand...
One cannot hold to 4 points of Calvinism and avoid the 5th point. So you either believe the nonsensical TULIP doctrine, or you believe the biblical Gospel. What many do not know is that Calvin interpreted the Bible correctly in his commentaries (see Bible Hub), then did a 180 degree turn in his Institutes. That is called being double-minded.
 
Nehemiah6

Nehemiah6

Senior Member
#54
Jul 18, 2017
26,074
13,776
113
#54
2ndTimothyGroup said:
When people label another as a "calvinist," it is a false judgment of that person's heart
Click to expand...
No one is judging a "person's heart". Calvinists post their beliefs and that is what is being judged.
 
Magenta

Magenta

Senior Member
#55
Jul 3, 2015
60,171
29,469
113
#55
Nehemiah6 said:
One cannot hold to 4 points of Calvinism and avoid the 5th point. So you either believe the nonsensical TULIP doctrine, or you believe the biblical Gospel. What many do not know is that Calvin interpreted the Bible correctly in his commentaries (see Bible Hub), then did a 180 degree turn in his Institutes. That is called being double-minded.
Click to expand...
Well, people do all manner of things that may seem nonsensical to others, including
calling one's self a Calvinist when while rejecting one of the five tenets of Calvin.
 
J

joecoten

Guest
#56
#56
Magenta said:
It is hard not to notice when any/so many contradict their own beliefs :geek:

One thing I find humorous is when the Calvinist will say that God ordains everything
in the sense of Him causing everything to happen, as in, God makes everything happen
the way it does. Of course this belief in itself is detestable, for it ascribes evil to God,
but the belief must also entail the fact that God causes people to oppose Calvinism :giggle:
Click to expand...
God is not evil, but no one will ever convince me that He doesn't use it for His righteous purposes.
 
Magenta

Magenta

Senior Member
#58
Jul 3, 2015
60,171
29,469
113
#58
joecoten said:
God is not evil, but no one will ever convince me that He doesn't use it for His purposes.
Click to expand...
It seems some are incapable of acknowledging and/or accepting that God's will is not only sovereign and
moral, but also permissive. This means that God allowing man's evil does not equate to God causing man's evil.


Romans 8:28
:)
 
J

joecoten

Guest
#60
#60
XavierJesusLovesIndia said:
I'm not a Calvinist, but I do consider Calvinists brothers and sisters in Christ, since they believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

As for the questions, from a non-Calvinistic perspective:

1. Yes, the Man in the Parable represents Christ or God Himself. Christ really calls and invites all to Salvation.
2. Yes, imho, they knew they were being invited, yet still refused to come to His Supper. Hence, He chose others.
3. Because Free Will is real imo, and thus some can choose to freely refuse God's Calling, and He accepts their choice.

God Bless.
Click to expand...
Of course, Calvinists are brothers. Faith in Christ is what saves. Many Catholics are saved.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.