Throughout time people are Saved by Grace alone, through Faith alone, In Christ alone

[AnandaHya]

How Were People Saved in the Old Testament, Since Jesus Had Not Yet Come? - TeachingTheWord Ministries - Equipping the Scripture-Driven Church

One Savior, One Hope


New Testament saints look back with thanksgiving to Christ's atonement for our sins on the cross (Hebrews 13:20-21), just as Old Testament saints looked forward in hopeful anticipation of His propitiation for their sins (Isaiah 53) — and all look forward to the day when Christ shall come again.



Job, one of the oldest of the Old Testament saints, testified:
For I know that my Redeemer lives, and He shall stand at last on the earth; and after my skin is destroyed, this I know, that in my flesh I shall see God, whom I shall see for myself, and my eyes shall behold, and not another. How my heart yearns within me!


Jude gave this same assurance to New Testament saints:
Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to present you faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, to God our Savior, Who alone is wise, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and forever. Amen. (Jude 24-25)

This is what the Bible teaches. If you or your church teaches differently then their understanding of scripture has not been opened for God reveals this to us:


Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”


therefore if the TESTIMONY of JESUS is not key doctrine and you bow to anyone or anything else be it your prosperity, or your power to reign, or your spiritual gifts or that of your pastors, then you need to reexamine yourself and your motives.



All are saved by faith in JESUS CHRIST.


One covenant, ONE faith, ONE baptism, ONE Savior, ONE God.

 

[Grandpa]

That's brilliant AnandaHya. Amen

God Bless You

 

[Forest]

How Were People Saved in the Old Testament, Since Jesus Had Not Yet Come? - TeachingTheWord Ministries - Equipping the Scripture-Driven Church




This is what the Bible teaches. If you or your church teaches differently then their understanding of scripture has not been opened for God reveals this to us:


Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”


therefore if the TESTIMONY of JESUS is not key doctrine and you bow to anyone or anything else be it your prosperity, or your power to reign, or your spiritual gifts or that of your pastors, then you need to reexamine yourself and your motives.



All are saved by faith in JESUS CHRIST.


One covenant, ONE faith, ONE baptism, ONE Savior, ONE God.

Faith is a fruit of the Spirit, Gal 5. We do not have spiritual faith until we are born of the Spirit, Eph 2. After we have spiritual faith, our faith can be the cause of many deliverances here in this world. Salvation is a deliverance. Eternal salvation is being delivered from this sinful world. Faith in Jesus Christ is not the cause of our eternal salvtion. We are justified by Christ's faith and not our faith, Gal 2:16. Many scriptures tells us that our faith saves us, but those salvations are the deliverances we recieve here in this world. This makes our eternal salvation by the grace of God and not by works of man.

 

[AnandaHya]

Faith is a fruit of the Spirit, Gal 5. yes

We do not have spiritual faith until we are born of the Spirit, Eph 2. not quite. Faith is a gift from God yes but it is a new heart not a new spirit that creates faith

After we have spiritual faith, our faith can be the cause of many deliverances here in this world. ok...

Salvation is a deliverance. Eternal salvation is being delivered from this sinful world. with you so far....

Faith in Jesus Christ is not the cause of our eternal salvtion. now you are contradicting scriptures

We are justified by Christ's faith and not our faith, Gal 2:16. ok, rewind...yes we are justified by Christ's work at the cross and our faith in Him. our faith is a gift from God not anything we did or could create but by the grace of God given to us but we are justified by faith. i'll give you scriptures in a little bit...

Many scriptures tells us that our faith saves us, but those salvations are the deliverances we recieve here in this world. This makes our eternal salvation by the grace of God and not by works of man.

our faith saves us but it is by the grace of God and not by the works of men, either in this world or the world to come.

Galatians 3:7-9
New King James Version (NKJV)
7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.”[a] 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.


Ezekiel 36:26
I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

 

[Forest]

our faith saves us but it is by the grace of God and not by the works of men, either in this world or the world to come.

Galatians 3:7-9
New King James Version (NKJV)
7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. 8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.”[a] 9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.


Ezekiel 36:26
I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

Ephesians 2:8
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,

In the scriptures you have quoted, you have to be careful to apply faith to the right person. Gal 3:8 and Eph 2:8, We have been saved, eternally, through Christ's faith. Thats the reason it further says "not of yourselves". Again, I invite you to read Gal 2:16. Christ's faith is the only faith that justifies us eternally.

 

[Grandpa]

This makes our eternal salvation by the grace of God and not by works of man.

This is what AnandaHya was saying in the OP. You both are saying the same thing, I think.

 

[AnandaHya]

This is what AnandaHya was saying in the OP. You both are saying the same thing, I think.

not quite. I don't know what he means by "Christ's faith"

is it the same thing as Faith IN Christ?

Galatians 2
16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

it is not the faith of another that saves. the faith must be within a person. the faith must be active. Christ is the object of our faith. Faith is a gift from God.

what is the object of "Christ's Faith"?

 

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

[quote=AnandaHya;593304]How Were People Saved in the Old

Testament, Since Jesus Had Not Yet Come? - TeachingTheWord

Ministries - Equipping the Scripture-Driven Church




This is what the Bible teaches. If you or your church teaches differently

then their understanding of scripture has not been opened for God

reveals this to us:


Revelation 19:10


And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you

do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who

have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus

is the spirit of prophecy.”


therefore if the TESTIMONY of JESUS is not key doctrine and you bow

to anyone or anything else be it your prosperity, or your power to

reign, or your spiritual gifts or that of your pastors, then you need to

reexamine yourself and your motives.

All are saved by faith in JESUS CHRIST.


One covenant, ONE faith, ONE baptism, ONE Savior, ONE God.[/quote]


Dear AnandaHya. This is what the Bible teaches. If your "church" or

denomination teaches otherwise,


then it does not agree with the whole Bible, but only with the parts of

the Bible it selectively chooses to (want to) believe!

The Word of God: "You see that a person is justified by works and not

by faith alone". James 2:24 ESV (English Standard Version).

God save us. Amen. In Erie Scott R. Harrington

 

[Crossfire]

not quite. I don't know what he means by "Christ's faith"

is it the same thing as Faith IN Christ?

Galatians 2
16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

it is not the faith of another that saves. the faith must be within a person. the faith must be active. Christ is the object of our faith. Faith is a gift from God.

what is the object of "Christ's Faith"?

Off hand it appears as though they are referring to the concept of 'imputed righteousness' which is the idea that when we come to faith in Christ, His righteousness is imputed to those who belief and follow after Christ. Most Protestants would agree with this statement.

However, you are wise to question their original intent because you never know when you might run into the rare few who embrace the idea that God requires nothing of man (which is not to be mistaken with nothing from man) during the act of salvation.

Faith is indeed the requirement OF man in order for man to receive the gift of salvation. However, faith does not originate FROM man but rather faith originates from the working of the Holy Spirit in men after hearing / reading the Word of God. Faith is every bit a gift from God as grace.

What's funny is when people begin to argue which comes first, faith or grace. This argument is the basis for the monergy v/s synergy debate, monergists believing grace comes first while synergists believe faith comes first. However, once you realize that both originate from God, the argument seems kind of ridiculous.

 

[AnandaHya]

What's funny is when people begin to argue which comes first, faith or grace. This argument is the basis for the monergy v/s synergy debate, monergists believing grace comes first while synergists believe faith comes first. However, once you realize that both originate from God, the argument seems kind of ridiculous.

was with you until this part.

Faith is something a person must embrace and accept, it is from God but it mostly a human thing.

Grace is completely unmerited forgiveness from God.

Grace came first because without GOD calling us we would not even think to repent and have faith in God because it is by grace that we even hear the Gospel or have a heart willing to listen and allow the Word of God to grow in our hearts. Monergist say it is all by the Grace and power of God.

Synergist try and say, "don't we get some of the glory" We have to do some of the work of being saved.

Monergist state that we do good works because we are saved.

Synergist makes it about people choosing to be saved and doing things to help God save them.

You didn't chose to be born the first time, you don't chose to be born again.

However how you live after being born again, well... that is for another post....

 

[Laodicea]

How Were People Saved in the Old Testament, Since Jesus Had Not Yet Come? - TeachingTheWord Ministries - Equipping the Scripture-Driven Church




This is what the Bible teaches. If you or your church teaches differently then their understanding of scripture has not been opened for God reveals this to us:


Revelation 19:10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”


therefore if the TESTIMONY of JESUS is not key doctrine and you bow to anyone or anything else be it your prosperity, or your power to reign, or your spiritual gifts or that of your pastors, then you need to reexamine yourself and your motives.



All are saved by faith in JESUS CHRIST.


One covenant, ONE faith, ONE baptism, ONE Savior, ONE God.

That is true we are all saved by grace through faith. The purpose of the sacrifices and the sanctuary was to teach the plan of salvation.
Hebrews 10:1-4
(1) For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
(2) For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
(3) But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
(4) For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

 

[OldOrthodoxChristian]

was with you until this part.

Faith is something a person must embrace and accept, it is from God

but it mostly a human thing.

Grace is completely unmerited forgiveness from God.

Grace came first because without GOD calling us we would not even

think to repent and have faith in God because it is by grace that we

even hear the Gospel or have a heart willing to listen and allow the

Word of God to grow in our hearts. Monergist say it is all by the Grace

and power of God.

Synergist try and say, "don't we get some of the glory" We have to do

some of the work of being saved.

Monergist state that we do good works because we are saved.

Synergist makes it about people choosing to be saved and doing things

to help God save them.

You didn't chose to be born the first time, you don't chose to be born

again.

However how you live after being born again, well... that is for another

post....

Dear AnandaHya.

Synergists do not try to say, "Don't we get some of the glory"? No

synergist says that; that is slander against what synergists believe.

Synergists say God does not save us against our will, our free will; God

wills the salvation of all men;

those who are saved must will to be saved by God's grace, too. God's

grace is not irresistible. It requires our co-operation. God does not

force Himself upon anyone!

We don't get born again without repentance, and repentance requires

choices to be made. It doesn't happen against our will. We must will

what God wills.

What you said is bearing false witness against the synergists. It's like

quoting Ephesians 2:8-9 without moving on to Ephesians 2:10.

Because "faith without works is dead" (James 2).

God save us. It's all by His mercy (Titus 3:5), and not something we

work ourselves. We can do nothing without Christ (John 15).

In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[AnandaHya]

Scott what causes your "will" to repent and accept God?

Grace, God placing in you a new heart capable of repenting? God replacing that heart of Stone?

Before God did that you had no "will" to chose Him, you were DEAD in your trespasses, Enslaved by your sin.

You did not free yourself by your own "will" GOD gave you that will and drew you to Him.

to say "God's grace is not irresistible." is slander against GOD and His Holy revealed words.

Synergism is a water down version of works salvation. it teaches people are not saved by grace alone but by some choose made by men and not by the will of GOD through the grace of GOD.

Romans 11:5-7
New King James Version (NKJV)
5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace.[a] But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

My statement is just a rephrasing of what synergist believe because they think they actually have a part in their own salvation when it is only GOD's work and God's glory alone.

If God wills it, then who are men that they are able to oppose the will of God?

why did Jesus pray only for His disciples and not the whole world?

John 17
9 “I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours.

 

[Forest]

not quite. I don't know what he means by "Christ's faith"

is it the same thing as Faith IN Christ?

Galatians 2
16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

it is not the faith of another that saves. the faith must be within a person. the faith must be active. Christ is the object of our faith. Faith is a gift from God.

what is the object of "Christ's Faith"?

Christ had faith in himself to carry out his Father's will, John 6:39. Gal 2:16, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith "OF" Jesus Christ, even we have believed "IN" Jesus Christ (which is our faith), that we might be justified by the faith "OF" Christ (Christ's faith), and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. If you believe that it is our faith that justifies us, then you are believing in the works of the law. Confessing, beliieving and repenting are works of the law. Gal 2:16 teaches us of eternal salvation (justification) and also of a "timely salvation" (a deliverance we receive here in this world. There is a timely salvation involved in us having faith "IN" Christ.

 

[Forest]

[quote=AnandaHya;593304]How Were People Saved in the Old

Testament, Since Jesus Had Not Yet Come? - TeachingTheWord

Ministries - Equipping the Scripture-Driven Church




This is what the Bible teaches. If you or your church teaches differently

then their understanding of scripture has not been opened for God

reveals this to us:


Revelation 19:10


And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you

do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who

have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus

is the spirit of prophecy.”


therefore if the TESTIMONY of JESUS is not key doctrine and you bow

to anyone or anything else be it your prosperity, or your power to

reign, or your spiritual gifts or that of your pastors, then you need to

reexamine yourself and your motives.

All are saved by faith in JESUS CHRIST.


One covenant, ONE faith, ONE baptism, ONE Savior, ONE God.

Dear AnandaHya. This is what the Bible teaches. If your "church" or

denomination teaches otherwise,


then it does not agree with the whole Bible, but only with the parts of

the Bible it selectively chooses to (want to) believe!

The Word of God: "You see that a person is justified by works and not

by faith alone". James 2:24 ESV (English Standard Version).

God save us. Amen. In Erie Scott R. Harrington

[/quote]Gal 2:16 says we are justified by Christ's faith and not by our faith. Faith is a fruit of the spirit. We must first be born of the Spirit before we have access to spiritual faith. An apply tree produces apples and The Spirit produces spiritual faith. Gal 5.

 

[Forest]

[quote=AnandaHya;593304]How Were People Saved in the Old

Testament, Since Jesus Had Not Yet Come? - TeachingTheWord

Ministries - Equipping the Scripture-Driven Church




This is what the Bible teaches. If you or your church teaches differently

then their understanding of scripture has not been opened for God

reveals this to us:


Revelation 19:10


And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you

do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who

have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus

is the spirit of prophecy.”


therefore if the TESTIMONY of JESUS is not key doctrine and you bow

to anyone or anything else be it your prosperity, or your power to

reign, or your spiritual gifts or that of your pastors, then you need to

reexamine yourself and your motives.

All are saved by faith in JESUS CHRIST.


One covenant, ONE faith, ONE baptism, ONE Savior, ONE God.

Dear AnandaHya. This is what the Bible teaches. If your "church" or

denomination teaches otherwise,


then it does not agree with the whole Bible, but only with the parts of

the Bible it selectively chooses to (want to) believe!

The Word of God: "You see that a person is justified by works and not

by faith alone". James 2:24 ESV (English Standard Version).

God save us. Amen. In Erie Scott R. Harrington

[/quote]All of God's elect are saved eternally by the same way and that is by the shed blood of Christ. When Christ came to this world to do his Father's will he redeemed all of God's elect, past, present and future. Thats why He said while on the cross "IT IS FINISHED" meaning all the work was finished that his Father sent him to do.

 

[shroom2]

Christ had faith in himself to carry out his Father's will, John 6:39. Gal 2:16, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith "OF" Jesus Christ, even we have believed "IN" Jesus Christ (which is our faith), that we might be justified by the faith "OF" Christ (Christ's faith), and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. If you believe that it is our faith that justifies us, then you are believing in the works of the law. Confessing, beliieving and repenting are works of the law. Gal 2:16 teaches us of eternal salvation (justification) and also of a "timely salvation" (a deliverance we receive here in this world. There is a timely salvation involved in us having faith "IN" Christ.

So Peter's words in Acts 2:38 were pointless, then?

Acts 2:38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent [ change!], and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Is receiving the gift of holy spirit a "timely salvation"?

 

[Forest]

Off hand it appears as though they are referring to the concept of 'imputed righteousness' which is the idea that when we come to faith in Christ, His righteousness is imputed to those who belief and follow after Christ. Most Protestants would agree with this statement.

However, you are wise to question their original intent because you never know when you might run into the rare few who embrace the idea that God requires nothing of man (which is not to be mistaken with nothing from man) during the act of salvation.

Faith is indeed the requirement OF man in order for man to receive the gift of salvation. However, faith does not originate FROM man but rather faith originates from the working of the Holy Spirit in men after hearing / reading the Word of God. Faith is every bit a gift from God as grace.

What's funny is when people begin to argue which comes first, faith or grace. This argument is the basis for the monergy v/s synergy debate, monergists believing grace comes first while synergists believe faith comes first. However, once you realize that both originate from God, the argument seems kind of ridiculous.

You are quoting Gal 2:16 wrong. It does not say that we are justified by faith "IN" Christ, but it says we are justified by faith "OF" Christ. At least thats what it says in the King James version, which is the only one that I study from because some of the other versions have changed the word "OF" to "IN". That makes man saving himself instead of Christ saving him.

 

[Forest]

was with you until this part.

Faith is something a person must embrace and accept, it is from God but it mostly a human thing.

Grace is completely unmerited forgiveness from God.

Grace came first because without GOD calling us we would not even think to repent and have faith in God because it is by grace that we even hear the Gospel or have a heart willing to listen and allow the Word of God to grow in our hearts. Monergist say it is all by the Grace and power of God.

Synergist try and say, "don't we get some of the glory" We have to do some of the work of being saved.

Monergist state that we do good works because we are saved.

Synergist makes it about people choosing to be saved and doing things to help God save them.

You didn't chose to be born the first time, you don't chose to be born again.

However how you live after being born again, well... that is for another post....

You are exactly right in God's grace coming before we have faith. Faith is a fruit of the Spirit and we must be born of the Spirit before we have access to spiritual faith. If you interpret Gal 2:16 right, thats exactly what it says.

 

[shroom2]

You are quoting Gal 2:16 wrong. It does not say that we are justified by faith "IN" Christ, but it says we are justified by faith "OF" Christ. At least thats what it says in the King James version, which is the only one that I study from because some of the other versions have changed the word "OF" to "IN". That makes man saving himself instead of Christ saving him.

Christ saves you when you choose to believe on him.