Thy kingdom come, thy will be done!

Pilgrimshope · May 17, 2022

“Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it. ( full commitment )

Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.

So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, and shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:44-51‬ ‭

repentance

“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

pretty much the New Testament is about the kingdom of God Jesus preached at the first and understanding it better as we learn through life and apply what we learn to Life at the pace he allows us to grow and learn

“Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip….. how shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord,

and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭2:1, 3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Beckie · May 17, 2022

JAPOV said:

◄ Revelation 20 ►

English Standard Version Par ▾
The Thousand Years
1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pita and a great chain. 2And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, 3and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he might not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were ended. After that he must be released for a little while.
4Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.

we have a difference of opinion

Beckie · May 17, 2022

JAPOV said:

How does what you are calling The kingdom of God.. some time out in future and at least 2000 years from the time these word of Jesus were spoken,, balance out with these verses ..

Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Luk_10:9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Luk_10:11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

Luk_17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk_17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

When Jesus told the decuples to go and preach the gospel was He speaking of Revelations 20 which had not been written yet? i think he was speaking of

Mat 6:30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
Mat 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
Mat 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek

for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Mat 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

JAPOV · May 17, 2022

Beckie said:

How does what you are calling The kingdom of God.. some time out in future and at least 2000 years from the time these word of Jesus were spoken,, balance out with these verses ..

Mar 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Luk_10:9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Luk_10:11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

Luk_17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk_17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

When Jesus told the decuples to go and preach the gospel was He speaking of Revelations 20 which had not been written yet? i think he was speaking of

Mat 6:30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?
Mat 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
Mat 6:32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek

for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
Mat 6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Yes, these are all examples of our required devotion to God's morality which will never change. Be honest. What are you trying to prove? I can only speculate. Anyone can take scripture out of context and rearrange it to suit their own will. Speak plainly now, what do you actually believe?

Beckie · May 17, 2022

JAPOV said:

I believe the Kingdom of God is righteousness peace and Joy in the Holy Ghost as the Scripture says. I believe as Christ said it is the Fathers good pleasure to give us the Kingdom. I believe we should be seeking righteousness peace and joy in the Holy Ghost .

I believe many Christian people today are as the Jews were 2000+ years ago putting their hope in a physical kingdom when He plainly tell us His kingdom is Righteousness Peace and Joy in the Holy Ghost. Not sure i know how to be more clear.

As to the snark about out of context Chapter and verse are quoted so anyone can read the context very simply. Would you read it all if i posted all of Mathew and Luke? Wouldn't it be better to just look it up ?

JAPOV · May 17, 2022

Beckie said:

What I find difficult to believe is, how can you read the books that you've been quoting, in context, and conclude that Christ's "physical" kingdom is already here? For that to be true;
1- You would have to ignore 90% of all Biblical prophecy.
2- Most importantly, you would have to completely disregard what God accomplished on the cross.
3- That would make God a liar and incapable of keeping His Word.

Again, since you won't plainly state what you believe, I can only speculate. But, if I'm right, then you're just another lost soul here sowing confusion...

Nehemiah6 · May 17, 2022

Beckie said:

The exact phrase "the kingdom of God" occurs 68 times in the King James Bible. It is one of the most important revelations in Scripture, since eventually God will literally establish His Kingdom on earth (as well as throughout the universe) under Christ. And when Christ has subdued all things under Himself, He will hand back the Kingdom to the Father, since "the Head of Christ is God" [the Father]. So firstly God the Father (also called "the Ancient of Days") hands over all power and authority, and all dominion and rule, to the Son. Then the Son hands everything back to the Father. This in itself is an amazing revelation.

The "Kingdom of God" means the absolute rule and reign of Christ over all creation, and all human beings who have believed on Him, as both Lord and Savior, as both Messiah and King. When the lion can dwell peaceably with lamb, that will be evidence that the Kingdom of God has been established on earth. But at the present time -- and until the Second Coming of Christ -- "the Kingdom of God is within you" applies to all believers. Therefore it is invisible, and Dominionism is false teaching. Only Christ Himself can establish His own perfect Kingdom. Which means that Christians are under the total authority of Christ, and must give account for every word and deed at the Judgment Seat of Christ.

However a day will come -- which may not be too far off -- when the kingdoms of the world are all wiped out and only the Kingdom of God prevails of earth. Since believers are both kings and priests in the eyes of God, they will live and reign with Christ. However responsibilities in eternity will depend upon how Christians have fulfilled their responsibilities on earth, and actually done the will of God in their lives. Hence "thy will be done on earth [presently] as it is in Heaven". The twelve apostles of the Lamb will sit on twelve thrones ruling the twelve tribes of Israel. But too many churches are not doing the will of God, and perhaps too many Christian likewise.

What this means is that Christians cannot be time wasters and slackers on earth. God has given a major charge to the Christian to take the Gospel "into all the world" and "preach the Gospel to every creature". So those who are perverting the Gospel, instead of preaching (or sharing) the true and full Gospel, are in fact opposing the will of God. And today many on Christian forums pervert the Gospel of the Grace of God. They will lose their rewards, and if they are not truly saved, they will lose eternal life and future responsibilities in the Kingdom of God. As to the enemies of God and Christ, they will receive their due reward in Hell.

Now there are Scripture to support everything summarized above, and it is up to each one to search the Scriptures. This is a major undertaking since it involves both Testaments.

Beckie · May 17, 2022

JAPOV said:

Where did i say His physical Kingdom is here ,,, Do you think righteousness peace and Joy in the Holy Ghost represents a physical kingdom?

No way do i disregard His finished work on the Cross . Does God's Word say this ? Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

JAPOV · May 17, 2022

Beckie said:

Please explain...

Beckie · May 17, 2022

JAPOV said:

I believe many Christian people today are as the Jews were 2000+ years ago putting their hope in a physical kingdom when He plainly tell us His kingdom is Righteousness Peace and Joy in the Holy Ghost. Not sure i know how to be more clear.
I see where i might have confused you ..
He clearly tells us what His Kingdom is righteousness peace and Joy in the Holy Ghost .. That is what i believe .. I am not like many christians today as the Jews were 2000 years ago looking for a physical kingdom ...

He is building His kingdom the scriptures tell us we are building stones
1Pe_2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

I am sorry to have not grasped why you were confused .

JAPOV · May 17, 2022

Beckie said:

Amillennialism is one of four views of the end times regarding the 1,000-year reign of Christ. Each of the four views differs in the placement, or the timing, of the 1,000-year reign mentioned in Revelation 20. An amillennialist sees the 1,000 years as spiritual and non-literal, as opposed to a physical understanding of history.

Took me a while to remember the term, but this is what I thought you were trying to explain.

JAPOV · May 23, 2022

The EU Takes Charge
By Hal Lindsey
The European Union is in the final stages of enacting a law called “the Digital Services Act.” They say it establishes accountability measures for online platforms operating in the EU. But in reality, it gives the EU censorship power over most of the earth’s primary communication platforms.

According to the Search Engine Journal, “The DSA [Digital Services Act] aims to protect internet users by establishing an ‘unprecedented new standard’ for online platforms that will see companies such as Google, Meta (Facebook), and Twitter held accountable for illegal and harmful content.”

That raises two massive questions. First, accountable to whom? With just a little reading, the answer becomes clear. They will be accountable to European bureaucrats. The second question is, who decides what content is harmful and what is not? The answer to the second question is the same as the answer to the first—EU bureaucrats.

Under this law, the online platforms are supposed to police their own users. But when they are compelled to do so by a government, it is still government censorship. Ultimately, it’s all about the global elites, and silencing those who oppose their political agendas.

At first, it may seem like this law only affects people in the EU, but in fact it affects every person using an internet service that does business in the EU. That means Alphabet (including Google and YouTube), Meta (including Facebook, Instagram, and WhatsApp), Twitter, Microsoft, and even Amazon. What might Amazon sell that would offend the elites? How about books and videos by conservatives in general and Christians in particular?

The European Commission is considered the executive branch of the EU government. The Commission put out a press release saying, “The DSA sets out an unprecedented new standard for the accountability of online platforms regarding illegal and harmful content.”
Note again that they are not just suppressing “illegal content,” but also “harmful content.” And the EU decides what is and what is not “harmful.”

The European Commission’s press release quoted one of their own, Margrethe Vestager. She said the DSA will “prevent dangerous disinformation from going viral.” Think about the breadth of that promise. It means intense and comprehensive policing of the “world wide web.”

In case it wasn’t clear who will be in charge, the Commission’s press release quoted another of their own, Thierry Breton. He said the DSA “entrusts the Commission with supervising very large platforms.”

The European Commission will be in charge. They will supervise the results of your Google search and which items show up on your Facebook page.

The Bible is clear that the Antichrist will arise from a revived Roman Empire. In other words, he will be a European. From there, he will eventually rule the world. And the groundwork for his power is already being laid from Europe to the whole earth.

WORLD GOVERNMENT IS COMING!

Beckie · May 23, 2022

Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Pilgrimshope · May 23, 2022

Beckie said:

amen

“Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭1:14-15‬ ‭

“And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭9:2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭9:60‬ ‭

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭

“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said,

The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there!

for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭17:20-21‬ ‭

The kingdom of God is a promise of inheritance in the eternal kingdom that exceeds death and allows life for eternity. Where Jesus is our king , where his power and authority is real and relevant. Where we talk to him daily concerning ourselves and others.

we worship and sing to him , we learn from him and follow his ways because we are citizens of the kingdom that is established now in our faith within our heart and minds eye even though we can’t look and see the kingdom we know by faith he the king is within us now and presently.

he is our guide as he sits on the throne of our heart , our teacher as his word permeates our mind and heart as we allow his word to be true within us. We have fellowcitizens of the kingdom in the Jew and gentile fellow hiers of the kingdom Jesus preached now and presently but also there is a day when it will become visable and will be all that remains it will not require faith one day because we will look and see the promised land

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s going to be when the kingdom is manifest for all to look and see this day

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

for now we have the gospel of the kingdom and we believe what he’s said is to come later. so we have his spirit in us ruling on the throne of our life in his kingdom following the gospel “Of the kingdom “

“What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭6:19-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he is within us and with us always our king ever present ruling the kingdom inside of us but one day he’s coming from heaven back to earth me. Ringing the reality and manifestation of the kingdom he’s promised with him along with all those who have gone before us into the unknown

and eventually as we see God will dwell On the new earth with man no more death and sorrow but a family Gods kingdom all is all Of the new heaven and earth to come and we are his cchildren the hiers of this everlasting kingdom promosed now by faith but is yet to manifest upon earth because this earth has to end first and the other has to come forth

“who shall not receive manifold more in this present time,

and in the world to come life everlasting.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭18:30

there is our present earthly life in this world and then there’s what happens after. The kingdom in this life is within it’s our hearing the gospel and believing and starting to live in the kingdom now

But after we pass away from this natural life there’s an everlasting kingdom waiting it’s “ in the next world to come “ after our time ends in this world

and eventually when this world ends all bays after Will come forth and what was before will be fine as if it never existed passed away and forgotten the order of this world death , disease , crying and sorrow and pain war and hate everything man caused in this world will end and everything Gods Will designed for creation will come forth

the kingdom is within us who accept the gospel of the kingdom. It’s our faith and belief hearing the truth and believing about wha us to come after we die in the next life this life is just a short term decision of where we’ll be for eternity there’s truth and existence after our bodies die another world to come

“There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: and there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:19-26‬ ‭

we can be like this guy when he was about to die and part this world

“And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭23:42-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

see Jesus already came into his kingdom he’s on the throne

“David…..Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:29-30, 32-33‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He’s on the throne in heaven that’s where his kingdom Is for now but his kingdom also is In Us by faith only because we accept the gospel of the kingdom Jesus began to preach d the apostles continued to preach

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s how we can sum it all up by believing the gospel that is the promised eternal kingdom And it’s word from its king eternal Jesus Christ. We believers the church are it’s citizens together with the saints.

our kingdom is with our king and he is also in us

“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above,

not on things on the earth.

For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:1-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s a kingdom in heaven and there’s still a war on earth but the gospel is within us and the Hope of a resurrection. And eternal life is heard in the gospel

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Thy kingdom come, thy will be done!

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