Till the Son of man be come

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Jackson123

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Right, that's where the verse states that it will happen, but which verse says it will happen before the Son of man comes?
Matt 10 is a command and prophecy. Command not only for 12 apostle but applicable for us.

You believe it happen before resurrection don't you,

You believe The Son of man come in matt 10 mean resurrection.

That mean you believe what ever in matt 10 must happen before The Son of man come ( according to you Son of man come in resurrection)

That verse not state it will happen before resurrection. But you say it will happen before The Son
Come /resurrection.
 
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Matt 10 is a command and prophecy. Command not only for 12 apostle but applicable for us.

You believe it happen before resurrection don't you,

You believe The Son of man come in matt 10 mean resurrection.

That mean you believe what ever in matt 10 must happen before The Son of man come ( according to you Son of man come in resurrection)

That verse not state it will happen before resurrection. But you say it will happen before The Son
Come /resurrection.
No I don't believe whatever is said in the first part of Matthew 10 must happen before the resurrection because the verse doesn't say it has to happen before the resurrection.
 

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No I don't believe whatever is said in the first part of Matthew 10 must happen before the resurrection because the verse doesn't say it has to happen before the resurrection.

Don't you believe matt 10 is only for 12 apostle and The Son of man come in matt 10 mean resurrection?
 
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Don't you believe matt 10 is only for 12 apostle and The Son of man come in matt 10 mean resurrection?
I do. But what I don't believe is that the first part of Matthew 10 must happen before the resurrection because Jesus specifically says that the disciples WILL NOT go to all the cities of Israel before the Son of man comes.
 

Jackson123

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I do. But what I don't believe is that the first part of Matthew 10 must happen before the resurrection because Jesus specifically says that the disciples WILL NOT go to all the cities of Israel before the Son of man comes.
What do you mean by first part of matt 10

From verse 1 to what?

And if you believe there is first part, what is the second and third?

Why you do not believe verse part happen before resurrection?
 
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What do you mean by first part of matt 10

From verse 1 to what?

And if you believe there is first part, what is the second and third?

Why you do not believe verse part happen before resurrection?
The persecution and brother delivering up brother. That doesn't have to happen before Jesus comes.
 

Jackson123

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The persecution and brother delivering up brother. That doesn't have to happen before Jesus comes.
10 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;

3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;

4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.

12 And when ye come into an house, salute it.

13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.




Let read this story from verse 1 -23

It must in order, verse 1-22 happen than verse 23

You believe verse 23 (The Son of man come/resurrection ) happen first than verse 21 and 22 ?

Look odd brother.

Normal people tell the story in order.

Let say, instruction how to wash white towel properly

1. Soak in the warm water for 24 hour

2. Put in the washing machine

And you believe verse 2 happen before verse 1?

Not going to work.

It will make sense if the Son of man come mean end time.
 

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It will make sense if the Son of man come mean end time.
That is correct and corresponds to Matthew 24 (which has some matching verses). So here is how this passage should be understood:

AT THE TIME THE TWELVE WERE SENT OUT
1And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them poweragainst unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
2Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
9Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
10Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.
11And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.
12And when ye come into an house, salute it.
13And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.
14And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
15Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.


AFTER PENTECOST
16Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
17But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.


BEFORE THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST
21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.


MATTHEW 24
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
 

Jackson123

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That is correct and corresponds to Matthew 24 (which has some matching verses). So here is how this passage should be understood:

AT THE TIME THE TWELVE WERE SENT OUT
1And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them poweragainst unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
2Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
9Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
10Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.
11And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.
12And when ye come into an house, salute it.
13And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.
14And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
15Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.


AFTER PENTECOST
16Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
17But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.


BEFORE THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST
21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.


MATTHEW 24
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Yep, this is in order.
 
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10 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;

3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;

4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,

10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.

11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.

12 And when ye come into an house, salute it.

13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.

14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;

18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.

20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.

22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.




Let read this story from verse 1 -23

It must in order, verse 1-22 happen than verse 23

You believe verse 23 (The Son of man come/resurrection ) happen first than verse 21 and 22 ?

Look odd brother.

Normal people tell the story in order.

Let say, instruction how to wash white towel properly

1. Soak in the warm water for 24 hour

2. Put in the washing machine

And you believe verse 2 happen before verse 1?

Not going to work.

It will make sense if the Son of man come mean end time.
No it doesn't look odd, in fact it's very simple when read straight forward. Jesus sent the 12 disciples to preach to Israel. Some of the Israelite's will accept the message and some will reject it and persecute the 12 disciples. The persecution drove the 12 disciples from city to city.

Jesus told the 12 disciples that before they could go to all the cities of Israel, Jesus would come. Like I said the text is very simple and easy to understand.
 
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That is correct and corresponds to Matthew 24 (which has some matching verses). So here is how this passage should be understood:

AT THE TIME THE TWELVE WERE SENT OUT
1And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them poweragainst unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
2Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
5These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
9Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
10Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.
11And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.
12And when ye come into an house, salute it.
13And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.
14And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
15Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.


AFTER PENTECOST
16Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
17But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.


BEFORE THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST
21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.


MATTHEW 24
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Who is the YOU in verse 23?
 

Jackson123

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No it doesn't look odd, in fact it's very simple when read straight forward. Jesus sent the 12 disciples to preach to Israel. Some of the Israelite's will accept the message and some will reject it and persecute the 12 disciples. The persecution drove the 12 disciples from city to city.

Jesus told the 12 disciples that before they could go to all the cities of Israel, Jesus would come. Like I said the text is very simple and easy to understand.
You reverse the order.

Verse 1-20 Jesus ask Christian to preach the gospel

Verse 18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

jesus warn us there will be not easy, you have to face governors and king for testimonies against them and GENTILE.


Jesus start mention gentile here. Not only Jew.

Verse 21 persecution, brother deliver brother

Verse 22 all nation hate you(not only Jews)

23 Jesus come.


You put verse 23 before 20
 
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You reverse the order.

Verse 1-20 Jesus ask Christian to preach the gospel

Verse 18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

jesus warn us there will be not easy, you have to face governors and king for testimonies against them and GENTILE.


Jesus start mention gentile here. Not only Jew.

Verse 21 persecution, brother deliver brother

Verse 22 all nation hate you(not only Jews)

23 Jesus come.


You put verse 23 before 20
Which verse transitions from 12 disciples to gentile Christians?
 

Jackson123

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Which verse transitions from 12 disciples to gentile Christians?
Bible is applicable for us, don't you agree matt 28 for us

Jesus start to say do not go to non Jews, verse 18 say testimonies against them(Jews) and gentile.

Seem to me gentile is the next target.

18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
 
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Bible is applicable for us, don't you agree matt 28 for us

Jesus start to say do not go to non Jews, verse 18 say testimonies against them(Jews) and gentile.

Seem to me gentile is the next target.

18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
Mat 10:18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

In verse 18 Jesus is saying that the 12 disciples will be brought before governors and kings for a testimony AGAINST them and AGAINST the Gentiles. So basically the 12 were preaching against the beliefs and life styles of kings, governors and the Gentile sinners. A good example of this would Paul going to Rome. Paul preached the gospel in Rome, he also appeared before Cesar.

Still at verse 18 the 12 disciples are the ones going forth preaching, there has been no transition to Gentile believers.
 

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Mat 10:18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.

In verse 18 Jesus is saying that the 12 disciples will be brought before governors and kings for a testimony AGAINST them and AGAINST the Gentiles. So basically the 12 were preaching against the beliefs and life styles of kings, governors and the Gentile sinners. A good example of this would Paul going to Rome. Paul preached the gospel in Rome, he also appeared before Cesar.

Still at verse 18 the 12 disciples are the ones going forth preaching, there has been no transition to Gentile believers.
You mention about Paul. Paul was not there when Jesus talk

It mean you admitted that this command applicable for Paul, and applicable for us.

Paul was repent after Jesus ascended to heaven.
 
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You mention about Paul. Paul was not there when Jesus talk

It mean you admitted that this command applicable for Paul, and applicable for us.

Paul was repent after Jesus ascended to heaven.
I used Paul as an example of going to kings and the gentiles because I don't know of any examples of the 12 disciples doing so.
 
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I know Christ came the second time 2000 years ago and I'm pretty sure he's coming back again in the future... all though I come from a dispensational background and that background could still be skewing my view on his third return.

Men came up with the term "second coming" to refer to Christs return at the end of time but that term can't be found anywhere in scripture that i know of. Maybe the idea of "the second coming" comes from Hebrews 9:28.

Hebrews 9:28 KJV
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

The Son of man is a term used for the one time outward demonstration as a representative glory of God not seen. The Holy Spirit remain s a supernatural God without form.

Luke 9:26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

I think it becomes a matter of walking by faith needed to discover the unseen eternal and not by sight as that seen, the temporal .(2 Corinthians 4:18)

In respect to the flesh of the Son of man the promise was one demonstration of the unseen Spirit Christ according to Isaiah 53.

In respect to his corrupted flesh typified as sinful Jesus informs us it did not profit as if we did walk by sight. But rather it is the unseen Spirit that quickens our soul.

The idea of Christ coming again cannot be in respect to another demonstration . He will come as men seen him go the first time a quickening Spirit .

God is not a man as us and neither is there a fleshly mediator as that seen that stands between God and man called a Daysman.(Job 9:33)

Jesus Son of man in respect to his temporal flesh when approached as good master as a teacher (daysman) He replied only God is good in respect to the unseen eternal.

If not we would look for another demonstration and mend the torn veil and bring out the lambs and goats as if the time of reformation had not come. It begs the question asked in Luke, when he does come will he find faith

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 2 Corinthians 5:16
 

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When Jesus comes in His glory to establish the millennial kingdom.

Zech 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

We are not in the millennial kingdom at this time because the following passage has not been fulfilled.

Zech 14:16 ¶ And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD’S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

For the cause of Christ
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When Jesus comes in His glory to establish the millennial kingdom.

Zech 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

We are not in the millennial kingdom at this time because the following passage has not been fulfilled.

Zech 14:16 ¶ And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD’S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

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Roger
I agree, I don't think we're in the millennial kingdom right now either.