Tithing Question

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Red33 said:
Go read (Heb 7) and study it verse by verse and compare it with other scriptures and don't forget that the book of Hebrews is part of the new testament and not the old and was made active through the death of the testator (Heb 9:16,17).
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Hey whats up. The point of the mention of Abraham's tithing was to establish that the order of Meclhisidec was truly a priesthood. This is what the author is establishing in the context of the entire chapter. The chapter is not an instruction to give tithes. It is showing that for those Hebrews who thought the Mosaic covenant was the original and best covenenant. It was not. And the priest of this greater covenant (Jesus Christ) is greater than any Levitical priest. Because via Abraham, Levi paid tithes to Melchisidek. Do you see the point here? It's all about establishing Jesus Christ as the ultimate fulfillment of everything the law was pointing too. Including the priesthood. It is definitely not about instructing the church on paying tithes. That is missing the entire point and context of the chapter. Hope that makes sense. God bless.
 
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Also for all those who believe in tithing. Please let me know when you practice this tithe (my favorite one in the Bible)?

Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. 23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.
24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee:
25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose:
26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household, -- Deuteronomy 14.



It's my favorite because you will NEVER hear a tithe preaching pastor mention this verse. EVER. Are you guys observing this tithe as well??
 
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TITHING IS GODLY THING TO DO BECAUSE THE MONEY BELONGS TO GOD WHEN I TITHE I GIVE 10% WHEN I HAVE IT WHEN IN NEED PLANT A SEED IT MEANS THE MORE YOU GIVE TO GOD TO HIS GLORY SET YOUR GOALS NO MATTER WHAT GOD COMES FIRST YOU ALWAYS PAY GOD FIRST OUT OF ANY INCOME THE REST TO PAY YOURSELF
 
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i pay God first some times it is more then 1 or 5 or 8 or ten %
 
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Red33 said:
There is no stalemate because the giving of tithes and offerings were being practiced and never stopped being practiced. But you have somehow made a foolish argument that they were no longer necessary being under the law and there is no need because their is no Levitical priesthood. Heb 7 addresses that concerning Levi, the loins of Abraham and the priesthood, but you will not consider what it says and have refrained the truth of Heb 7 to enter your faith. You are missing something very important and extremely relevant concerning our faith. You are lost to it as are those who believe as you do, it is much more than a tithe under the law it is an unchanging priesthood that is perpetual.
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Heb 7 states abraham gave the king a tenth of the spoils. Not of his own money.

Now who is the fool?? Well i won;t call you this. Because scripture says if you call your brother a fool, well you get the point, guess that does not scare you. Anyway, Since I am no longer in the military, and can not take spoils. I guess I can't tithe like abrtaham did

Why don't you get over it. You can't prove tithing is real, yet you still want to fight.

If you want to tithe, do this. Find a priest. Give him ten % of your food, Your house, your clothing, and all you have, Only then can you claim to tithe as it was commanded in the law. If you are unwilling to do this. You have no argument,
 
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Laodicea said:
You people are claiming that tithing is not part of the NT so then you should have no problem showing a verse. Doctrine is based on the Bible not someones opinion of the Bible.
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My friend, if you can not provide a verse which shows we in the church are commanded. Don;t get angry because we can;t show one that says it is no longer commanded. Your barking up the wrong tree. Silence on the subject should prove to you it is NOT a major thing of God.

Demanding someone provide proof when you can not is called being a hypocrite!
 
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shirley said:
TITHING IS GODLY THING TO DO BECAUSE THE MONEY BELONGS TO GOD WHEN I TITHE I GIVE 10% WHEN I HAVE IT WHEN IN NEED PLANT A SEED IT MEANS THE MORE YOU GIVE TO GOD TO HIS GLORY SET YOUR GOALS NO MATTER WHAT GOD COMES FIRST YOU ALWAYS PAY GOD FIRST OUT OF ANY INCOME THE REST TO PAY YOURSELF
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I agree we should give to God first, as God has blessed us,

I disagree we are commanded to give tem percent. You will not find anywhere in scripture where ten percent was said to be money, Abraham did not give ten % of his money, he gave ten percent of ALL HIS SPOILS. The jews were not told to give ten % in money form, only if they could not carry the food and other stuff to the temple.
 
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JUST LISTEN TO YOU ALL......YOU HAVE HIJACKED THE OP'S THREAD AND USED IT TO ARGUE YOUR OWN SELFISH OPINIONS WHETHER TITHING IS IN OR OUT.........GO BACK TO THE FIRST POST AND SEE WHAT THIS THREAD WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT......
 
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Well I think for those who don't think tithing is Biblical, our response to the OP is pretty obvious.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Heb 7 states abraham gave the king a tenth of the spoils. Not of his own money.

Now who is the fool?? Well i won;t call you this. Because scripture says if you call your brother a fool, well you get the point, guess that does not scare you. Anyway, Since I am no longer in the military, and can not take spoils. I guess I can't tithe like abrtaham did

Why don't you get over it. You can't prove tithing is real, yet you still want to fight.

If you want to tithe, do this. Find a priest. Give him ten % of your food, Your house, your clothing, and all you have, Only then can you claim to tithe as it was commanded in the law. If you are unwilling to do this. You have no argument,
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In your studies get to know a little bit about the household of God, the local church and the work of the ministry and then, maybe, you can see and understand from divine viewpoint the purpose of giving tithes and offerings to Christ, the head of the church, who is a priest forever after the order of Melchezidek and has made us kings and priests as well. Many believers understand this and practice their faith and have not been fooled or confused in any way with the purpose of tithes and offerings. I wonder what our Jewish friends think of tithes and offerings and where they practice this kind of activity in giving to God as they obey the commandments.

BTW _ Your not a fool, which means that when you call a brother a fool you are telling Him that He has not been redeemed, has no understanding nor does He worship the living God. I don't think that is your case, do you, even though you may have a foolish understanding in this area of tithes and offerings, I wouldn't call you a fool.
 
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Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 2 Cor 9:7
 
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Jesus said that the new covanant fulfills the law. If we give all we have ,which is what Jesus requires, we have fulfilled the tithe
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Abraham did not give ten % of his money, he gave ten percent of ALL HIS SPOILS. The jews were not told to give ten % in money form, only if they could not carry the food and other stuff to the temple.
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With regard to this day and age, that brings up a rather pertinent point:

Does a 10 % tithe mean ten percent of your gross earnings (before taxes) - or rather ten percent of your net income (i.e., "take-home" pay). There is a difference, you know.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
My friend, if you can not provide a verse which shows we in the church are commanded. Don;t get angry because we can;t show one that says it is no longer commanded. Your barking up the wrong tree. Silence on the subject should prove to you it is NOT a major thing of God.

Demanding someone provide proof when you can not is called being a hypocrite!
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Any Law given in the OT continues into the NT unless God states otherwise. The fact that you or others cannot show any verse showing tithe has been stopped by God then it continues into the NT. You can call me names but that is a fact.
 
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Laodicea said:
Any Law given in the OT continues into the NT unless God states otherwise. The fact that you or others cannot show any verse showing tithe has been stopped by God then it continues into the NT. You can call me names but that is a fact.
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The fact that you blatantly ignore bible verses shows how little you care to debate or have your beliefs challenged. I've posted the same verse twice and you ignored it both times, so I guess it shows you can't argue or aren't here for actual civilized debate in the first place.
 
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Nautilus said:
The fact that you blatantly ignore bible verses shows how little you care to debate or have your beliefs challenged. I've posted the same verse twice and you ignored it both times, so I guess it shows you can't argue or aren't here for actual civilized debate in the first place.
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That verse does not tell us we do not have to pay tithe.
 
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Laodicea said:
That verse does not tell us we do not have to pay tithe.
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It says we should could what we choose which automatically negates the 10% standard associated with tithing. Also that we should give freely(by choice) and not compulsory(which a tithe is).

The fact you can somehow say that this is somehow completely irrelevant to the argument at hand makes me wonder where you are coming from.
 
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Nautilus said:
It says we should could what we choose which automatically negates the 10% standard associated with tithing. Also that we should give freely(by choice) and not compulsory(which a tithe is).

The fact you can somehow say that this is somehow completely irrelevant to the argument at hand makes me wonder where you are coming from.
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Leviticus 27:30
(30) And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.

Tithe belongs to God it does not belong to us. What we give in offering is not tithe so the verse you quoted is not referring to tithe but offering.

1 Corinthians 9:14
(14) Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

To live of the the gospel is referring to tithe. As I said the OT already has the tithe and unless you can show a text in the NT that says God has given us the tithe which belongs to Him then we are to still return tithe.

Because tithe does not belong to us but, God then not to return tithe is to rob God.
 
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The above makes literally no sense. Who you reach this: To live of the the gospel is referring to tithe is beyond my understanding
 
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Nautilus said:
The above makes literally no sense. Who you reach this: To live of the the gospel is referring to tithe is beyond my understanding
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Then you need to do some study of the OT and the tithing system in relation to the priesthood then you will have a better understanding of that text.
 
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