tithing

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garyarnold

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Wow Christianity with blinders on. . .you realize that Paul and James in particular talked against this heresy that we should just ignore the law and the prophets.
And yet NO ONE follows any of the tithing commands today. NO ONE.

Now Church goers follow their pastors instructions instead of the Bible.

The New Testament teaches generous, sacrificial giving, from the heart, according to our means. For some, $1 might be a sacrifice, while for others, even giving 50% of their income might not induce a sacrifice. In the Old Testament, ONLY the farmers tithed, and it was equal percentage (a tenth). The New Testament teaches the principle of equal sacrifice instead of equal percentage. Equal sacrifice is much harder to achieve, if not impossible, than giving ten percent.
 
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Tithing was under Law,

As a born again beleiver, we are to freely give as we have freely received,
Even if All you have is The Word, that should be more than sufficient.
 
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Christianity with blinders on?...

who's the one that's following the Levitical Law? not me...

and it was Jesus Himself that said He came to fulfill the Law (Matthew 5:17), and it was Paul who said Christ abolished "the law of commandments contained in ordinances" (Ephesians 2:15), and why dont we all read Hebrew 7?

Hebrews 7
1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings and blessed him,
2 to whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being translated “king of righteousness,” and then also king of Salem, meaning “king of peace,”
3 without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God, remains a priest continually.
4 Now consider how great this man was, to whom even the patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of the spoils.
5 And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a commandment to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham;
6 but he whose genealogy is not derived from them received tithes from Abraham and blessed him who had the promises.
7 Now beyond all contradiction the lesser is blessed by the better.
8 Here mortal men receive tithes, but there he receives them, of whom it is witnessed that he lives.
9 Even Levi, who receives tithes, paid tithes through Abraham, so to speak,
10 for he was still in the loins of his father when Melchizedek met him.
11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron?
12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.
15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest
16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life.
17 For He testifies: “You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.”
18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness,
19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
20 And inasmuch as He was not made priest without an oath

21 (for they have become priests without an oath, but He with an oath by Him who said to Him:
“The Lord has sworn
And will not relent,
‘You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek’”),

22 by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

23 Also there were many priests, because they were prevented by death from continuing.
24 But He, because He continues forever, has an unchangeable priesthood.
25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens;
27 who does not need daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.
28 For the law appoints as high priests men who have weakness, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints the Son who has been perfected forever.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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And yet NO ONE follows any of the tithing commands today. NO ONE.
What command? Can you show ONE command where the church was told to tithe? Just one?



Now Church goers follow their pastors instructions instead of the Bible.

The New Testament teaches generous, sacrificial giving, from the heart, according to our means. For some, $1 might be a sacrifice, while for others, even giving 50% of their income might not induce a sacrifice. In the Old Testament, ONLY the farmers tithed, and it was equal percentage (a tenth). The New Testament teaches the principle of equal sacrifice instead of equal percentage. Equal sacrifice is much harder to achieve, if not impossible, than giving ten percent.
Thats interesting. Christ mocked the pharisees, because they let it known to the world when they gave their tithe (they did it by having someone blow a horn so everyone would look when they gave their tenth)
he mocked them because they gave to the temple, but let the poor stay poor. and refused to help them. it is no different today.

God wants us to give of an open heart. whatever that might be, he would rather us give 5 % willingly then 10 % begrudgingly. people put to much emphasis on money. god owns all the money in the world. He WILL take care of his church and his people, whether we are willing participants or not.


I agree we are a coveteous bunch. We need to give more. but pushing people to give more by law will not help. we need to teach generosity, not law.
 
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e-g, he was saying that the church doesn't follow the tithe commands that were given to the Israelites. There were 3 different tithes in the Old Testament, so if we were supposed to continue in this command, we would be giving more than a tenth.

2nd, Christ rebuked the Pharisees because they honored Him with only their words and not their actions. go back and read Matthew 23:23

3rd, the tithe was NEVER money. it was always land, food, or animals.
 
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garyarnold

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What command? Can you show ONE command where the church was told to tithe? Just one?
That's my point. There are NO commands for Christians to tithe, so what I am saying is the only tithing commands there are were for the Israelites under the Mosaic law, and no one is following those commands today. Instead, either ignorant and/or dishonest church leaders take the Old Testament Levitical tithe and change the definition and instructions to fit what they want it to be, and then teach their own tithing instructions AS THOUGH they were Biblical. Nothing but fraud.