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Hebrews 12:
Therefore, since we have such a great cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also get rid of every weight and entangling sin.

4 In struggling against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of bloodshed.
5 Have you forgotten the warning addressed to you as sons?

“My son, do not take lightly the discipline of Adonai
or lose heart when you are corrected by Him,
because Adonai disciplines the one He loves
and punishes every son He accepts.”


Who here, has obeyed, Verse 4: In struggling against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of bloodshed?


This is a Profound set of Verses, here, in the Twelth Chapter of Hebrews. These Verses are being reiterated, even knowing full well, we are under Grace.

So, what's the real Harm if we don't try to stop sinning our most habitual Sin(s), to the point of Bloodshed?
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Thats an interesting passage there. Resisting sin unto blood shed, i wonder what that looks like?
 
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Thats an interesting passage there. Resisting sin unto blood shed, i wonder what that looks like?
And for some, They have built Doctrines, based off it is ok to make mistakes and sin because we have Grace.

What is interesting about the Book of Hebrews, is the concept, behind Who the Author might be. Many have settled on, This was Luke, Author of both Luke and Acts, who supposedly jotted down a Sermon being Preached by Paul. So, if this actually is and can be Connected to Paul, what he is Preaching, is "Nothing" like his Letters about Grace.
 

Nehemiah6

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In struggling against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of bloodshed.
This is a MISTRANSLATION, which means that you are being misled.

Here is the Greek text, and both critical and Received texts are identical:
CRITICAL TEXT: Οὔπω μέχρις αἵματος ἀντικατέστητε πρὸς τὴν ἁμαρτίαν ἀνταγωνιζόμενοι,
RECEIVED TEXT: Οὔπω μέχρις αἵματος ἀντικατέστητε πρὸς τὴν ἁμαρτίαν ἀνταγωνιζόμενοι
Here is the interlinear literal translation: Not yet UNTO BLOOD have you resisted, against sin struggling.

King James Bible: Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin. Which shows that the KJB has faithfully translated this verse word-for-word, but also as a proper translation.

Now what exactly does this mean? The way that your translation reads, one could assume that "to the point of bloodshed" means shedding someone else's blood because they are compelling you to sin. But it actually means allowing oneself to to martyred because one refuses to sin and betray Christ.

Ellicott's commentary is helpful: The contest has been maintained but feebly, for no blood has flowed in their struggle with temptation and sin; they have not deserted the arena, but have shrunk from the suffering which a determined struggle would have caused. It is possible that the writer goes beyond the figure in these words, and that the price of their resistance might indeed have been their “blood.”
 

Pilgrimshope

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And for some, They have built Doctrines, based off it is ok to make mistakes and sin because we have Grace.

What is interesting about the Book of Hebrews, is the concept, behind Who the Author might be. Many have settled on, This was Luke, Author of both Luke and Acts, who supposedly jotted down a Sermon being Preached by Paul. So, if this actually is and can be Connected to Paul, what he is Preaching, is "Nothing" like his Letters about Grace.
In the sixties and seventies everyone believed Paul and a couple companions wrote it. I used to have a bible that said the epistle of Paul to the Hebrews " but I've never seen evidence of any named author I know that peter and Paul's doctrine is no different we just have more of Paul's epistles.

I'd say Paul was involved based ongr fact it is very much similar to his epistles in doctrine but it really doean matter go was preaching or writing the holy ghost was with all of them