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How Did You Receive Your Gift of Tongues?

  • When I was saved as a sign that I was saved

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presidente

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Turning it around and say it is a prayer language of the Holy Spirit to explain why no one understands it and why interpretation is not coming is not how you discern tongues when John 16:13 says in all BIBLES that the Holy Spirit cannot speak for Himself and therefore cannot use God's gift of tongues to the people as a prayer language back to God.
That last sentence is wrong. No Bible says that the Holy Spirit 'cannot use God's gift of tongues to the people as a prayer language back to God'.

We've been over this before. There is no reason to think that Holy Spirit can't give believers something that belongs to Jesus for believers to pray. You are making a mountain out of.... nothing. There is no molehill.
 
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We've been over this before. There is no reason to think that Holy Spirit can't give believers something that belongs to Jesus for believers to pray.
You must mean prophecy as something the Holy Spirit gives …. words a person can understand. Tongues is a sign to those who make prophecy to no effect

You are making a mountain out of.... nothing. There is no molehill.
You are making a mountain out of.... nothing. God is no longer brining any new revelations. The warning is not to add or sutract now that we have the whole or perfect. Why go beyond and above that which is written ..Not enough words?
 

presidente

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You must mean prophecy as something the Holy Spirit gives …. words a person can understand. Tongues is a sign to those who make prophecy to no effect
That last sentence is just word salad. What are you trying to say? You string religious phrases together in a way that makes no sense. Biblical tongues doesn't make 'prophecy to no effect.'


God is no longer brining any new revelations. The warning is not to add or sutract now that we have the whole or perfect. Why go beyond and above that which is written ..Not enough words?
You shouldn't try to 'subtract' what the Bible teaches about spiritual gifts from the Bible. The passage you are talking about warns against adding to the scroll of Revelation. It doesn't say that people of God will not prophesy, after the last 'amen' in the book of Revelation was written. Read Revelation. It predicts that the two witnesses will prophesy.
 
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That is a direct contradiction of scripture.

1 Cor 14:
2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Your understanding of Corinthians 14 is greatly amiss and in error. Paul's reference to an unknown tongue is a reference to an earthly language previously unlearned by the speaker. This is affirmed a short 8 versus later in verse 10 when Paul states that there are many languages in this world .. yet none of them are without meaning. The reason Paul said that the Corinthians were "speaking mysteries in the Spirit" is because they were speaking an earthly language/tongue that nobody present could understand. If you speak to me in Chinese, what you say will be a mystery to me ... but not to God. Nowhere is it referenced as an "unknown heavenly or angelic" language. If this were the case, Paul would have said ... there are many languages in this world and in the heavenly realm ... but he doesn't. The Corinthians were being chastised by Paul for their immature and self-focused usage of God's gift of tongues (languages) given to them. They were more enthralled with this God-given ability than they were with the edification of Christ's church. Almost the entirety of Corinthians 14 addresses this.

21 In the Law it is written, “By people of strange tongues and by the lips of foreigners will I speak to this people, and even then they will not listen to me, says the Lord.” ... Does it make sense to you that God would "speak to this people" (the Jews) in a heavenly/angelic language that they couldn't possibly understand and then proclaim .. "and even then they will not listen to me" ? Of course not. And what purpose/benefit is "speaking a mystery in the Spirit" when it still remains a mystery after it is spoken ? None. Zero. It serves no purpose because it has no purpose. That is not God's way today. And it wasn't God's way during the apostolic era either.
 
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Thank you!!! Thank you plain guy!!!!

I keep saying the same thing ....maybe it helps if you are a guy saying it!! Lol :D

Corinth was at the time a center for trade and commerce, there were many foreigners and many different languages being spoken.

Paul is dealing with some very practical issues and it is important to understand the context always!!!



Your understanding of Corinthians 14 is greatly amiss and in error. Paul's reference to an unknown tongue is a reference to an earthly language previously unlearned by the speaker. This is affirmed a short 8 versus later in verse 10 when Paul states that there are many languages in this world .. yet none of them are without meaning. The reason Paul said that the Corinthians were "speaking mysteries in the Spirit" is because they were speaking an earthly language/tongue that nobody present could understand. If you speak to me in Chinese, what you say will be a mystery to me ... but not to God. Nowhere is it referenced as an "unknown heavenly or angelic" language. If this were the case, Paul would have said ... there are many languages in this world and in the heavenly realm ... but he doesn't. The Corinthians were being chastised by Paul for their immature and self-focused usage of God's gift of tongues (languages) given to them. They were more enthralled with this God-given ability than they were with the edification of Christ's church. Almost the entirety of Corinthians 14 addresses this.

21 In the Law it is written, “By people of strange tongues and by the lips of foreigners will I speak to this people, and even then they will not listen to me, says the Lord.” ... Does it make sense to you that God would "speak to this people" (the Jews) in a heavenly/angelic language that they couldn't possibly understand and then proclaim .. "and even then they will not listen to me" ? Of course not. And what purpose/benefit is "speaking a mystery in the Spirit" when it still remains a mystery after it is spoken ? None. Zero. It serves no purpose because it has no purpose. That is not God's way today. And it wasn't God's way during the apostolic era either.
 

shrume

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Your understanding of Corinthians 14 is greatly amiss and in error. Paul's reference to an unknown tongue is a reference to an earthly language previously unlearned by the speaker. This is affirmed a short 8 versus later in verse 10 when Paul states that there are many languages in this world .. yet none of them are without meaning. The reason Paul said that the Corinthians were "speaking mysteries in the Spirit" is because they were speaking an earthly language/tongue that nobody present could understand. If you speak to me in Chinese, what you say will be a mystery to me ... but not to God. Nowhere is it referenced as an "unknown heavenly or angelic" language. If this were the case, Paul would have said ... there are many languages in this world and in the heavenly realm ... but he doesn't. The Corinthians were being chastised by Paul for their immature and self-focused usage of God's gift of tongues (languages) given to them. They were more enthralled with this God-given ability than they were with the edification of Christ's church. Almost the entirety of Corinthians 14 addresses this.

[FONT=&]21 In the Law it is written, “By people of strange tongues and by the lips of foreigners will I speak to this people, and even then they will not listen to me, says the Lord.”[/FONT][FONT=&] ... [/FONT][FONT=&]Does it make sense to you that God would "speak to this people" (the Jews) in a heavenly/angelic language that they couldn't possibly understand and then proclaim .. "and even then they will not listen to me" ? Of course not. And what purpose/benefit is "speaking a mystery in the Spirit" when it still remains a mystery after it is spoken ? None. Zero. It serves no purpose because it has no purpose. That is not God's way today. And it wasn't God's way during the apostolic era either.[/FONT]
All of this has been previously addressed.

I realize that myself and the few others here who believe in and understand speaking in tongues are in the minority on this site, and there simply isn't enough time (for me, anyway) to address every post. But every point you bring up has been previously addressed in the current 2 or 3 threads on tongues.

God bless!
 

Enow

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Your understanding of Corinthians 14 is greatly amiss and in error. Paul's reference to an unknown tongue is a reference to an earthly language previously unlearned by the speaker. This is affirmed a short 8 versus later in verse 10 when Paul states that there are many languages in this world .. yet none of them are without meaning. The reason Paul said that the Corinthians were "speaking mysteries in the Spirit" is because they were speaking an earthly language/tongue that nobody present could understand. If you speak to me in Chinese, what you say will be a mystery to me ... but not to God. Nowhere is it referenced as an "unknown heavenly or angelic" language. If this were the case, Paul would have said ... there are many languages in this world and in the heavenly realm ... but he doesn't. The Corinthians were being chastised by Paul for their immature and self-focused usage of God's gift of tongues (languages) given to them. They were more enthralled with this God-given ability than they were with the edification of Christ's church. Almost the entirety of Corinthians 14 addresses this.

21 In the Law it is written, “By people of strange tongues and by the lips of foreigners will I speak to this people, and even then they will not listen to me, says the Lord.” ... Does it make sense to you that God would "speak to this people" (the Jews) in a heavenly/angelic language that they couldn't possibly understand and then proclaim .. "and even then they will not listen to me" ? Of course not. And what purpose/benefit is "speaking a mystery in the Spirit" when it still remains a mystery after it is spoken ? None. Zero. It serves no purpose because it has no purpose. That is not God's way today. And it wasn't God's way during the apostolic era either.
Thank you!!! Thank you plain guy!!!!

I keep saying the same thing ....maybe it helps if you are a guy saying it!! Lol :D

Corinth was at the time a center for trade and commerce, there were many foreigners and many different languages being spoken.

Paul is dealing with some very practical issues and it is important to understand the context always!!!
Pray for them, brother & sister. Only God can help them see the truth in His words in these latter days where faith is hard to find so that tongue speakers may shun vain & profane babbling and pray normally too.
 
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UnderGrace

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People who speak in tongues on this site seem to be in the majority in my experience by the several threads that have started this past year. It would be interesting to see what the breakdown is.

Another poll....;)


All of this has been previously addressed.

I realize that myself and the few others here who believe in and understand speaking in tongues are in the minority on this site, and there simply isn't enough time (for me, anyway) to address every post. But every point you bring up has been previously addressed in the current 2 or 3 threads on tongues.

God bless!
 

CS1

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Hey member Please feel free to see the thread " for non-tongue speakers Only "

I have provided some insight for you all and the person who is in the video used as a creditable source.

God Bless :)
 
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I was wondering how many women who claim they can speak in tongues speak them while in their congratulations? Those who claim they speek in tongues seem to love quoting from 1 Cor. 14 to support their claim. So I wonder what their stand is on women speaking in tongues during church gatherings.

1 Cor 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
 

CS1

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I was wondering how many women who claim they can speak in tongues speak them while in their congratulations? Those who claim they speek in tongues seem to love quoting from 1 Cor. 14 to support their claim. So I wonder what their stand is on women speaking in tongues during church gatherings.

1 Cor 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
does verse :34 apply today ? and if so how is church ?
 
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I had asked the Holy Spirit for that gift
and I had asked Jesus for that gift
 

Gabriel2020

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Revelations are things that are unknown to a believer,and is revealed to them, even though others may already know. It is up to each individual to receive revelation from God ,which is simply knowledge. every person must know for themselves.
 
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From 1 Cor 7 and on is what's called a responsa. Paul stated the questions or statement sent to him and then responds.... Jewish history will explain what those are... And it's not in the law that women have to be silent..
I was wondering how many women who claim they can speak in tongues speak them while in their congratulations? Those who claim they speek in tongues seem to love quoting from 1 Cor. 14 to support their claim. So I wonder what their stand is on women speaking in tongues during church gatherings.

1 Cor 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
 

CS1

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Revelations are things that are unknown to a believer,and is revealed to them, even though others may already know. It is up to each individual to receive revelation from God ,which is simply knowledge. every person must know for themselves.

I receive revelations everyday however it is not new, only to me and in the context of proper application as the Holy Spirit has allowed me to have it as HE does with ALL Believers in Christ. The Book Of Rev is the " Revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ". There is no NEW to that word or any other prophetic writings.

But receiving person revelation for comfort , edification, exhortation, and building up is biblical . But we do not build doctrine on that. We experience it through faith. and it is only in the context to which God has allowed to be.
 

Gabriel2020

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I agree, I still ponder on what Paul said, that as for him, he will go on to new revelations. If there are new revelations, it could be things that sound crazy to us, but I must confess, I don't have a clue so far.
 

CS1

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I agree, I still ponder on what Paul said, that as for him, he will go on to new revelations. If there are new revelations, it could be things that sound crazy to us, but I must confess, I don't have a clue so far.
remember paul said this before his statement I have ran the race and i have kept the faith. I think Paul was saying I will experience new things about God I did not know or understand yet.
 

presidente

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Your understanding of Corinthians 14 is greatly amiss and in error. Paul's reference to an unknown tongue is a reference to an earthly language previously unlearned by the speaker. This is affirmed a short 8 versus later in verse 10 when Paul states that there are many languages in this world .. yet none of them are without meaning. The reason Paul said that the Corinthians were "speaking mysteries in the Spirit" is because they were speaking an earthly language/tongue that nobody present could understand. If you speak to me in Chinese, what you say will be a mystery to me ... but not to God. Nowhere is it referenced as an "unknown heavenly or angelic" language. If this were the case, Paul would have said ... there are many languages in this world and in the heavenly realm ... but he doesn't.


In the section you are referencing, Paul compares speaking in tongues through the gift of speaking in tongues to a foreigner, a barbarian speaking a foreign language. Paul suggests the idea of speaking in tongues of angels in I Corinthians 13.


21 In the Law it is written, “By people of strange tongues and by the lips of foreigners will I speak to this people, and even then they will not listen to me, says the Lord.” ... Does it make sense to you that God would "speak to this people" (the Jews) in a heavenly/angelic language that they couldn't possibly understand and then proclaim .. "and even then they will not listen to me" ? Of course not. And what purpose/benefit is "speaking a mystery in the Spirit" when it still remains a mystery after it is spoken ? None. Zero. It serves no purpose because it has no purpose. That is not God's way today. And it wasn't God's way during the apostolic era either.

You just acknowledged earlier in the post that they were speaking in a language no one present understands. Paul is talking about a supernatural ability. You can say it serves no purpose, but you are criticizing a gift of the Spirit if you do so. Paul says of the one who speaks in tongues 'no one understands him.' God has His purposes for this gift functioning the way it does, even if you do not understand it. Whatever His purpose is for having the words first spoken 'in tongues', what is spoken can edify the church if it is interpreted. You can say it has no purpose, but if God had no purpose, He would not have designed the gift to function as described in the chapter.
 
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In the section you are referencing, Paul compares speaking in tongues through the gift of speaking in tongues to a foreigner, a barbarian speaking a foreign language. Paul suggests the idea of speaking in tongues of angels in I Corinthians 13.


How is speaking a language that nobody understands beneficial to God's purpose of spreading the gospel ? Did God think to Himself ... hey, what a great idea ?! Paul "suggests" that if he could speak all languages of men ... and any and all languages of angels, with the angels being higher than man ... and not have love, it means nothing. The same with prophesying ... and faith to move mountains ... and having all knowledge ... and understanding all mysteries etc. etc. Did Paul say this because he did attain to all of the aforementioned ? Of course not. He was using hyperbole in every case of reference. Even if there does exist languages of angels in the heavenly realm (do they need an interpreter amongst themselves ?), why is something as basic as a means to communicate, and with NO UNDERSTANDING at that, something that we should aspire to have ? To further the point, how many of you "tongues of angels" speakers also have the "gift" to understand and interpret what you are supposedly saying ? Any of you ? Be honest. Is there even one reference in God's Word where an angel spoke a language to mankind that man didn't understand ? One ?? No, there isn't. But this is something to be coveted by the pentecostals and charismatics huh ? If something serves no purpose, it is NOT from God nor ordained by Him ... period !



You just acknowledged earlier in the post that they were speaking in a language no one present understands. Paul is talking about a supernatural ability. You can say it serves no purpose, but you are criticizing a gift of the Spirit if you do so. Paul says of the one who speaks in tongues 'no one understands him.' God has His purposes for this gift functioning the way it does, even if you do not understand it. Whatever His purpose is for having the words first spoken 'in tongues', what is spoken can edify the church if it is interpreted. You can say it has no purpose, but if God had no purpose, He would not have designed the gift to function as described in the chapter.


You've got to be kidding me ? Paul was chastising the church in Corinth for their childish and immature use of the gift of languages/tongues. "When I was a child, I talked like a child ... I thought like a child ... I reasoned like a child". Paul was correcting the Corinthians because the gift WASN'T DESIGNED TO FUNCTION THAT WAY. In Acts 2, we read ..

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Today's pentecostals and charismatic crowd make a distinction between what occurred at pentecost and what is happening today because THEY HAVE TO in order to justify their beliefs in uttering incoherent babbling. If you people only knew how shallow and inappropriate this behaviour is .. and what an obstacle it is for many to come to the faith, you would cease. But that itself would require selfless love. I grow tired of explaining what should be obvious.
 
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Yes indeed plainguy!!!

It can indeed be a hindrance to the gospel especially in this day and age where people are more educated and more skeptical.

I find it so interesting that tongues became so prevalent after 1909, in the United States (Topeka Kansas), as in unintelligible speech, and before that for hundred of years was not practiced in the churches.

That should be an indication right there that it is not an angelic language.

It has been studied extensively by linguists. The neurosciences is pretty clear it releases endorphins.


This high emotional state is nearly always present when people begin to speak in modern tongues for the first time and afterward in their emotional "worship services and practice of modern tongues. People are susceptible to a suggestion which stimulates a mental response. When the person is having a stimulating emotional experience, whatever the source, it often produces a pleasant feeling. Scientists tell us that the body releases endorphins and other chemicals that are natural pain killers, and they give one a natural "high" or pleasant feeling.

Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania took brain images of five women while they spoke in tongues. They reported the activity came from the frontal lobes of the brain,". . .and found the frontal lobes; the thinking, willful part of the brain through which people control what they do; were relatively quiet, as were the language centers. The regions involved in maintaining self-consciousness were active. 5


It is significant that what these women were doing was not speaking in an unlearned language. The language center of their brains was inactive, but the phenomena of modern tongues speaking was being produced by the emotional region of the brain.

Goodman concludes that "when all features of glossolalia were taken into consideration -- that is, the segmental structure (such as sounds, syllables, phrases) and its supra segmental elements (namely, rhythm, accent, and especially overall intonation) -- she concluded that there is no distinction in glossolalia between Christians and the followers of non-Christian (pagan) religions. The "association between trance and glossolalia is now accepted by many researchers as a correct assumption," writes Goodman in the prestigious Encyclopedia of Religion (1987).

Modern Tongues Speaking Explained - What is really going on? By Cooper P Abrams III

or you can do the research in a reputable neuroscience journal.




In the section you are referencing, Paul compares speaking in tongues through the gift of speaking in tongues to a foreigner, a barbarian speaking a foreign language. Paul suggests the idea of speaking in tongues of angels in I Corinthians 13.


How is speaking a language that nobody understands beneficial to God's purpose of spreading the gospel ? Did God think to Himself ... hey, what a great idea ?! Paul "suggests" that if he could speak all languages of men ... and any and all languages of angels, with the angels being higher than man ... and not have love, it means nothing. The same with prophesying ... and faith to move mountains ... and having all knowledge ... and understanding all mysteries etc. etc. Did Paul say this because he did attain to all of the aforementioned ? Of course not. He was using hyperbole in every case of reference. Even if there does exist languages of angels in the heavenly realm (do they need an interpreter amongst themselves ?), why is something as basic as a means to communicate, and with NO UNDERSTANDING at that, something that we should aspire to have ? To further the point, how many of you "tongues of angels" speakers also have the "gift" to understand and interpret what you are supposedly saying ? Any of you ? Be honest. Is there even one reference in God's Word where an angel spoke a language to mankind that man didn't understand ? One ?? No, there isn't. But this is something to be coveted by the pentecostals and charismatics huh ? If something serves no purpose, it is NOT from God nor ordained by Him ... period !



You just acknowledged earlier in the post that they were speaking in a language no one present understands. Paul is talking about a supernatural ability. You can say it serves no purpose, but you are criticizing a gift of the Spirit if you do so. Paul says of the one who speaks in tongues 'no one understands him.' God has His purposes for this gift functioning the way it does, even if you do not understand it. Whatever His purpose is for having the words first spoken 'in tongues', what is spoken can edify the church if it is interpreted. You can say it has no purpose, but if God had no purpose, He would not have designed the gift to function as described in the chapter.


You've got to be kidding me ? Paul was chastising the church in Corinth for their childish and immature use of the gift of languages/tongues. "When I was a child, I talked like a child ... I thought like a child ... I reasoned like a child". Paul was correcting the Corinthians because the gift WASN'T DESIGNED TO FUNCTION THAT WAY. In Acts 2, we read ..

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Today's pentecostals and charismatic crowd make a distinction between what occurred at pentecost and what is happening today because THEY HAVE TO in order to justify their beliefs in uttering incoherent babbling. If you people only knew how shallow and inappropriate this behaviour is .. and what an obstacle it is for many to come to the faith, you would cease. But that itself would require selfless love. I grow tired of explaining what should be obvious.