Tongues Again???

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zone

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Yeah, I've been around for years..... & I've watched you for a few of them. You're the phony.
It is evident just by watching you.

Those wagging their tongues over tongues are the real phonies. They can't go any further than their "one-vere wonder" 1Cor. 13:8, which they twist like a pretzel to say the gifts already ceased.

Those wagging their tongues about tongues need to pray for deliverance.

Anybody can run their mouth without evidence. I notice you don't use scripture to prove your rantings.

Are you one of those armchair theologians that runs to the internet when you need to look smart?
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Stephen, it must be frustrating to have someone refuse to accept the gurgling & gibbering of tongues : shabba, shabba ees oi ie say shabba

shabba shimba shabba shoe
 
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Stephen, it must be frustrating to have someone refuse to accept the gurgling & gibbering of tongues : shabba, shabba ees oi ie say shabba

shabba shimba shabba shoe
My people .. I have heard your cries. But first you must believeth that I am he who sayeth this unto you. Seeketh that which seeketh not that which it seekethes. For I have spoketh this unto youeth.
 
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Stephen, it must be frustrating to have someone refuse to accept the gurgling & gibbering of tongues : shabba, shabba ees oi ie say shabba

shabba shimba shabba shoe
Yep..... that's blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

You better hope that was done in ignorance, 'cause that's the only way it's forgiven.
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Baloney. The Charismatic revival/renewal wouldn't exist today were it not for the Pentecostals. Everybody wanted a piece of the "supernatural" action. It's nothing more than bogus emotionalism purely contrived of the flesh. "To make people leave it" ? Are you kidding me ? It's never been more rampant. "New apostles and prophets" abound today. The only difference between the two is that many charismatics chose to remain in their previous denominations. But the practices are one and the same.

Well, I said they mixed them together, didn't I?

What can I say? Hater's gonna hate.:)
 
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My people .. I have heard your cries. But first you must believeth that I am he who sayeth this unto you. Seeketh that which seeketh not that which it seekethes. For I have spoketh this unto youeth.
Another blasphemer of the Holy Spirit.

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1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.


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Well, I said they mixed them together, didn't I?

What can I say? Hater's gonna hate.:)

Nothing to do with hate ... but everything to do with the truth. And to parallel the naysayers with blaspheming God's Holy Spirit is as far from the truth as one can get. God is not mocked. And the truth of tongues as they were cannot be diminished. The only thing I "hate" about all of this immature nonsense is the pain and confusion it brings to God's table of love and mercy in Christ.
 

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the gift of tongues is still given today, we speak of what we witness and despite what others may believe it changes nothing, there is not biblical text (properly applied) that teaches any of those gifts have ceased.
If so Jonah, then is speaking in tongues a gift like all others which are mentioned (f.e. in 1. Cor.)ore is it a gift which shows that somebody has the 2nd baptising with the Holy Spirit?
 

notuptome

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I don't know how much plainer that can get sir...scripture calls it an unknown tongue...
it is orchestrated by the Holy Ghost and lines up with the scripture..
If it's so plain then provide scripture to support your assertions regarding tongues. Do you speak in a foreign language or do you speak in an unknowable language? Do those that hear you speak in tongues understand what you are saying? Are your tongues like those seen at Pentecost or are they totally different?

Why did God use the confusion of human languages as judgment upon mankind at Babel?

If the Holy Spirit is at work it will be through the word of God. The Holy Spirit does not operate independent of what God the Father has given to Him.

The ministry of the Holy Spirit is not to distribute charismatic gifts. The ministry of the Holy Spirit is to bring souls to Christ. To take the word of God and bring conviction of sin, righteousness and judgment that men will repent and trust Christ for salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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Nothing to do with hate ... but everything to do with the truth. And to parallel the naysayers with blaspheming God's Holy Spirit is as far from the truth as one can get. God is not mocked. And the truth of tongues as they were cannot be diminished. The only thing I "hate" about all of this immature nonsense is the pain and confusion it brings to God's table of love and mercy in Christ.
We all know that there are fakers and false people out their despitefully and deceitfully using the word of God…But just because they are blaspheming God and his Holy Spirit doesn’t mean everyone is…The word of God is the word of God and we can’t back off of it just because there are some using it to deceive others…

God means just what he says and no one can take away from his words:
1 Thessalonians 5: 19-24
Quench not the Spirit.
20Despise not prophesyings.
21Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22Abstain from all appearance of evil.
23And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.
 

zone

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Yep..... that's blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

You better hope that was done in ignorance, 'cause that's the only way it's forgiven.
:(
somehow it's blasphemy if I type it, but if you speak it, it's holy and good.
eyup.
 

1ofthem

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If it's so plain then provide scripture to support your assertions regarding tongues. Do you speak in a foreign language or do you speak in an unknowable language? Do those that hear you speak in tongues understand what you are saying? Are your tongues like those seen at Pentecost or are they totally different?

Why did God use the confusion of human languages as judgment upon mankind at Babel?

If the Holy Spirit is at work it will be through the word of God. The Holy Spirit does not operate independent of what God the Father has given to Him.

The ministry of the Holy Spirit is not to distribute charismatic gifts. The ministry of the Holy Spirit is to bring souls to Christ. To take the word of God and bring conviction of sin, righteousness and judgment that men will repent and trust Christ for salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Scripture has been provided over and over again here...Read through Acts and Corinthians...I can't open this up for you and make you understand it... no one is saying that the Holy Spirit is going to go against the word of God...that's just silly to even think...the Holy Spirit lines up perfectly with the word of God....

and no the ministry of the Spirit is not just to give gifts unto men... The ministry of the Holy Spirit is for the salvation of the soul...but the scripture says and makes it plain that he does give gifts unto men for edification...not that we should trust in men because it is not through the power of men but through the power of the Holy Ghost.
 

zone

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Yes, it is. When you mock the gift, you mock the Gift-Giver.
the gift was amazing never-before-learned languages - I for one love that gift! God is amazing!

the sheeba shimbo la la junk isn't the Pentecost gift. not any gift from God. it's nonsense.
 
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somehow it's blasphemy if I type it, but if you speak it, it's holy and good.
eyup.
Exactly. Because:
  • 1. I rarely speak in tongues.
  • 2. When I do, it's when the Holy Spirit gives utterance, & not my own feelings.

You do so to mock & make fun of it.

You & I aren't in the same category, so don't pull me into your mess.
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the gift was amazing never-before-learned languages - I for one love that gift! God is amazing!

the sheeba shimbo la la junk isn't the Pentecost gift. not any gift from God. it's nonsense.
Really? You love a gift you have already proclaim ENDED with the apostles?

It's a little late to clean that up, don'tcha think?

Whether done in ignorance or intentional, blasphemy is blasphemy. It is what it is.
 

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Hi presidente, thanks for long reply. I think we can discuss long with our arguments. When i became a christian, i searched for a church to go. Before I was protastant it was clear to me that the most of them are only nominell christians. So I first visited a Morovian church, but this convinced me not and I attend a mennonite bretheren church. From beginning i did not saw me as an christian and not depend on a certain denomination. But of course I learnginninged about their doctrine. Also theyouthgroup of this church dad some contact to a youthgroup from a church of God (Pentecostal) And some friends from this group told me I miss to have the second blessing and I can have the speaking in tongues. I have only to ask God for that. I was new in christian faith, but from beginning i could see what is from bible and what not. So I asked several times God to give me this gift of speaking in tongues. And also I tryed alone to speak. But I fiound out that it is my own making noises. And i also asked God if it is right to have this gift, then he should give me and i f not then not. I did not got this gift. And I found it OK. Then I had expieirence with some charismatics which endet that those splitt a church in a bad way. So my expieriences showed me that if charismatics enter a church, they will spoil it.
So I attend a bible mission minded biblecollege. All christians I met during my 30 nearly years as christian (ecxept from this pentecostal church) did not speak in tongues. But without beeing a pentecostal ore charismatic I expiered that God answers prayer, that people turn to christ. Also that he heals sick people.
According pentecostal and charismatic doctrine, all this fine christians and missionaries seving the Lord without the enabeling through the Holy Spirit, because non of them have the baptising with the Holy Spirit and can speak in tongues! This is strange to me. I am not doubting that god today heals ore is giving prophecie in certain situations (special in missionfield). I als read from christians in extrem sitiuation which spoke in tongues, but only in this situatiuon and later in life no more. I do not doubt that God is doing this today!!
But I doubting How it came through some movements. like the pentecostal and later through different charismatic waves into the world and is dividing christianity. I believe in this movements are many brothers and sisters which are following Christ.
But I must say I dont trust the Spirit behind these doctrines, which saying you mus have dreams, which saying must speakin tongues otherwise you are no real christian. This I cant find in the bible, and also I cant find in the bible that peopleare droven to speak in tongues without controle it. I cant find laying on the earth backward fallen, ore noising like animals ore screaming and laughing out of controle. Also I dont find singing ore dancing in the spirit.
I dont believe that the Holy Spirit makes such a different among believers which have all the same Spirit!
 

zone

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Exactly. Because:
  • 1. I rarely speak in tongues.
  • 2. When I do, it's when the Holy Spirit gives utterance, & not my own feelings.


  • that's not the Holy Spirit. it's you babbling into the air.

    You do so to mock & make fun of it.

    You & I aren't in the same category, so don't pull me into your mess.[/SIZE]:)
    I mock your stuff because it's nonsense.
    you're probably right re: #2
 

zone

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Really? You love a gift you have already proclaim ENDED with the apostles? ]
yes! I smile and my heart soars when I read of the gift at Pentecost.
God is amazing!

It's a little late to clean that up, don'tcha think?]
what are you talking about? I've always expressed awe and wonder at the Pentecost gifts - what does that have to do with Pentecostalism? << (nothing)

Whether done in ignorance or intentional, blasphemy is blasphemy. It is what it is.
I wish you ppl would realize that.
repent.
 
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that's not the Holy Spirit. it's you babbling into the air.



I mock your stuff because it's nonsense.
you're probably right re: #2
When Jesus was mocked by the Scribes & pharisees by the authority He cast out devils, they mocked the Holy Spirit.
When you mock the christian because they believe in tongues, you mock the Holy Spirit that speaks thru them.
It is what it is.​