Tongues in 1 Corinthians 14

[prophecyman]

As was explained by gotime



But I do LUV Ya and will pray that God would guide you and bless you, do fair well.

The Emphasis was the begining clause... Though I speak with the tongues of men and Angels; so in essence there is also the tongues of Angels.

I would also like to comment on the gift of Tongues, which it describes as a message given in the Church, by which follows the interpetation.

I am used often in this gift, and I can say that I am taken over by the heavy feeling of the actual presence of God that feels like a tremendous burst of electricity that abides on you, your vision is even blurred when under the influence of the Holy Ghost.

Too bad that many here on CC does not understand nor know the wonderful power of God and his blessed annointing, it is just too sad.

Dear Soul, perhaps the revelation of Jesus will progress you to grow up in the fulness of him of whom we have to do. I hope everyone can know the joy and peace that I so love in Christ Jesus my Lord. Fair well dear one, fair well !

 

[jb]

Paul thought very highly of the 'gift of tongues' he writes in 1Cor 14v18:

" I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all."

It is such a great pity that Christians have such great ignorance with regards to the gifts of the Holy Spirit as listed in 1Cor 12v7-11 (esp. v8-10) and because they don't manifest them can only treat them with contempt. These 9 gifts of the Spirit were the result of Christ's crucifixion, descent into Hades, resurrection and ascension into Heaven..."and gave gifts unto men." Eph 4v7-16.

I wonder how the Trinity feels when they hear Christians rubbishing the gifts of the Holy Spirit which cost them so much sufferiing to give to the Church?

 

[Laodicea]

The Emphasis was the begining clause... Though I speak with the tongues of men and Angels; so in essence there is also the tongues of Angels.

I would also like to comment on the gift of Tongues, which it describes as a message given in the Church, by which follows the interpetation.

I am used often in this gift, and I can say that I am taken over by the heavy feeling of the actual presence of God that feels like a tremendous burst of electricity that abides on you, your vision is even blurred when under the influence of the Holy Ghost.

Too bad that many here on CC does not understand nor know the wonderful power of God and his blessed annointing, it is just too sad.

Dear Soul, perhaps the revelation of Jesus will progress you to grow up in the fulness of him of whom we have to do. I hope everyone can know the joy and peace that I so love in Christ Jesus my Lord. Fair well dear one, fair well !

Please answer theses questions yes or no.
1 Corinthians 13:2
(2) And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

Did Paul understand all mysteries?
Did Paul have all knowledge?
Did Paul have all faith?

Please answer Yes or No.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Emphasis was the begining clause... Though I speak with the tongues of men and Angels; so in essence there is also the tongues of Angels.

I would also like to comment on the gift of Tongues, which it describes as a message given in the Church, by which follows the interpetation.

I am used often in this gift, and I can say that I am taken over by the heavy feeling of the actual presence of God that feels like a tremendous burst of electricity that abides on you, your vision is even blurred when under the influence of the Holy Ghost.

Too bad that many here on CC does not understand nor know the wonderful power of God and his blessed annointing, it is just too sad.

Dear Soul, perhaps the revelation of Jesus will progress you to grow up in the fulness of him of whom we have to do. I hope everyone can know the joy and peace that I so love in Christ Jesus my Lord. Fair well dear one, fair well !

Actually the word in Question is the first word. An adverbial conditional clause. Usually translated "if"

Pauling is making a factual statement. If I speak the languages of men, Or even if I speak the language of Angels (he never makes the claim he could) but did not have love, I sound like crap basically.

The emphasis is on love, not the gift itself.

 

[prophecyman]

Please answer theses questions yes or no.
1 Corinthians 13:2
(2) And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

Did Paul understand all mysteries?
Did Paul have all knowledge?
Did Paul have all faith?

Please answer Yes or No.

1. Did Paul understand all mysteries? No. For this same Paul said we know in part and prophesy in part.

2. First clause of my first answer, and it is no.

3. No, but he said that he lived by the faith of Jesus Christ.

Indeed love is the fulfilling of the law, but to use these questions to discount tongues and there apparent use for the edification of the body is in error.

The gifts are to be in operation within the assembly, it is love to be in obedience to the Spirit of Jesus which is the Spirit of Truth and also the Spirit of prophecy. Pauls teaches order in the Church, he never advocated that you should not speak in tongues, but he said: If anyone speak in an unknown tongue, let it be that by course, and if there be no interpeter let him keep silent in the Church and let him speak to himself and to God.

He never said to actually literally keep absolute silence, just be quiet as not to disturb others and continue to make your prayer in the spirit by speaking in a quiet tone.

So to fully answer this most misunderstood subject, we are to use love and take others in consideration who may be unlearned and are without spiritual understanding, for if we all speak in tongues, will not the unlearned say that we are mad (Crazy). And if we speak in tongues then we are trully edified, but the other is not, so Paul was really teaching ethics and loving consideration for all and placed emphasis on the importance of prophecy, that all may learn, all may be comforted.

There is a private time for prayer in the Spirit, for this Paul said: I will pray with the Spirit and i will pray with my understanding also, he also mentioned blessing with the spirit and with his understanding also.

Let everything be done in decency and in order, as in all the churches of the saints.

 

[mpaper345]

Prophesy is to profit others,and tongues is to profit ourselves,which seems like a spiritual cleansing for us.

The Bible does say that tongues are a sign for those that do not believe,or are unlearned,and prophesy is for those that believe.

The Bible does say,covet to prophesy,and forbid not to speak with tongues.

 

[prophecyman]

Actually the word in Question is the first word. An adverbial conditional clause. Usually translated "if"

Pauling is making a factual statement. If I speak the languages of men, Or even if I speak the language of Angels (he never makes the claim he could) but did not have love, I sound like crap basically.

The emphasis is on love, not the gift itself.

I had this thought... What if you were one of the translators to the KJV, what kind of bible would I end up reading?

 

[Elizabeth619]

By your authority... I assume. But be as it may dear soul, the Holy Spirit baptism has swept all denomination barriers, yes even the Church of the Nazarene folks I have known to speak in tongues, even Catholics.

Some ancient advice I will give you... Be careful what you say concerning these people, because if this thing be of God, you can not stop it, less you find yourself fighting even against God.

I'm not denying anything, but I am also very much aware of what the Church of Christ teachers. Unless this individual you are referring to was a member of some off branch of the CoC, I find fault in your statement. Not calling you a liar, but like I said. I know about the CoC. Anyway, to each his own.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I had this thought... What if you were one of the translators to the KJV, what kind of bible would I end up reading?

I would still hope you would check the origonal text. I am not an apostle. nor inspired by God. so no matter what ":translation" it came out to be, it would probably not be perfect.

The word still means "if" It never is translated "when", it does not change

and the emphasis is still love. Not speaking in tongues.

 

[prophecyman]

I'm not denying anything, but I am also very much aware of what the Church of Christ teachers. Unless this individual you are referring to was a member of some off branch of the CoC, I find fault in your statement. Not calling you a liar, but like I said. I know about the CoC. Anyway, to each his own.

He belonged to the Church of Christ non-instrumental, his parents and most of his family are of this organization.

He actually had this experience that I spoke of, but I would also like to mention that near my home town of Auburn Indiana in the township of Waterloo, the Church of Christ had a church split, half the congregation spoke in tongues and wanted to implement musical instruments into the worship part of the service. The old traditional folks went their way and the others started a Church of their own.

 

[Abiding]

And this comes from someone who has never experience the baptism of the Spirit, or the beautiful experience of a prayer language... hmmm that mumbo jumbo that you so describe is the power of God.

Have you not read that we are built up in the Holy Spirit praying in the Holy Spirit, hey friend how do you pray in the Spirit? I don't think you know what you are talking about, but I do LUV Ya and will pray that God would guide you and bless you, do fair well.

If you worship God "in Spirit" and in truth........are you worshiping in tongues?

 

[prophecyman]

If you worship God "in Spirit" and in truth........are you worshiping in tongues?

It is moot to continue this discourse, No one can understand the power of God without the baptism of the Spirit. In the book of Acts chapter 10 verses 43-48, we find Peter preaching the word, while he yet spake the Holy Spirit fell on them which heard the word and they spake in tongues.

Can any man forbid water that these should not be baptized, that have recieved the Holy Spirit as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

This same Peter that answered 3 thousand Jews, spoke these words... This is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel, saying... In the last days saith God I will pour out my Spirit upon ALL FLESH. This was after the Church was filled with the Holy Spirit, how? for they heard them speak with Tongues. For they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spake with Tongues.

The same evidence that underlined their experience was also the same experience that was encountered by the Gentiles (Non- Jews).

My main thrust here is... you can not twist the scripture to mean anything else when it is self evident in the scriptures that the evidence of the Holy Spirit, the new birth if you please, was and is evidenced by the medium of speaking in other tongues.

There is sufficient scripture to prove this very simple truth, those that don't accept it is making an argument with their Creator. For he said through the prophet Isaiah... For with tongues of other men will I speak to this people, saying this is the REST whereby you may cause the weary to rest, yet for all this they will not hear saith the Lord.

There is therefore a rest that belongs to the people of God, let us labor that we may enter into his rest, and if you hear his voice today, harden not your heart as in the provocation, forty years long was I grieved with this Nation, and I swore in my wrath that they will not enter into my rest.

This is the REST, this is the Salvation and power in his Name, for as many as recieved him, to them gave he the POWER to become the Sons (Children) of God. That Power is in the new birth experience and is evidenced by the language of the Spirit of God, which is the Spirit of Christ, which is the hope of your salvation, which is the Spirit of truth that is come to lead and quide you into all truth.

NO Man (anyone) can not receive the things of God without the Spirit of God, for the fruit of the Spirit and the manifest evidence of the same testify and do bear witness as was prophesied by the prophets and spoken to us by our Lord, for he said that these signs shall follow them that believe, IN my Name they shall speak with new tongues. It was further declared by the holy Apostles.

For you or anyone to deny this doctrine and conform to your own formulations of justification, are no different than the Pharisees who constantly argued with the Lord, trying to trap him in his words.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is moot to continue this discourse, No one can understand the power of God without the baptism of the Spirit.

If your not basptised by the HS, You are NOT SAVED. and are still dead in Chirst. because of the filth of sin. It has nothing to do with spiritual gifts. God gives these gifts as he desires. everyone born of God has a gift. and they are not all the same gift.

 

[prophecyman]

If your not basptised by the HS, You are NOT SAVED. and are still dead in Chirst. because of the filth of sin. It has nothing to do with spiritual gifts. God gives these gifts as he desires. everyone born of God has a gift. and they are not all the same gift.

You speak in tongues when you recieve the baptism and Acts 2:38 says so... And you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit, Acts 2:4 confirms it... and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues, and a re-confirmation Acts 10:43-48 And the Holy Spirit fell on them which heard the word... and they spake with tongues!

Sorry that you don't believe the bible, sorry that you don't believe Jesus Christ, he said these signs shall follow them that believe... They shall speak with new tongues! Sorry that you can not understand the history and the doctrine of the Apostles.

And to your question as to whether YOU are NOT SAVED if you're not baptized in the Holy Spirit... thats right, Jesus said... YOU MUST BE BORN OF THE WATER AND THE SPIRIT, he also said to teach all Nations baptizing in his Name, teaching to OBSERVE ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You speak in tongues when you recieve the baptism and Acts 2:38 says so... And you shall recieve the gift of the Holy Spirit, Acts 2:4 confirms it... and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues, and a re-confirmation Acts 10:43-48 And the Holy Spirit fell on them which heard the word... and they spake with tongues!

Try learning english and greek.

Baptize means YOU ARE placed into something. Something being placed IN or ON you is called to Anoint.

Yes they were all speaking in tongues then. God had a reason. Later we see people who are saved who does not have the gift. paul even states everyone is only given a gift if it suits Gods purpose. I guess you ignore that!

Sorry that you don't believe the bible, sorry that you don't believe Jesus Christ, he said these signs shall follow them that believe... They shall speak with new tongues! Sorry that you can not understand the history and the doctrine of the Apostles.

So paul is a liar when he states he gives SOME to speak in tongues? Wow thanks for telling me that!

And to your question as to whether YOU are NOT SAVED if you're not baptized in the Holy Spirit... thats right, Jesus said... YOU MUST BE BORN OF THE WATER AND THE SPIRIT, he also said to teach all Nations baptizing in his Name, teaching to OBSERVE ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU!

Yep. But you still can't get by the fact not everyoine will speak in tongues, even if you believe it is active today.

And your right, if you are not baptized with the Holy Spirit (romans 6 with 1 cor 12) you are not saved. Your wrong if you think everyone who is saved will have all the gifts.

 

[Elizabeth619]

He belonged to the Church of Christ non-instrumental, his parents and most of his family are of this organization.

He actually had this experience that I spoke of, but I would also like to mention that near my home town of Auburn Indiana in the township of Waterloo, the Church of Christ had a church split, half the congregation spoke in tongues and wanted to implement musical instruments into the worship part of the service. The old traditional folks went their way and the others started a Church of their own.

A church split? Wow, that is just all kinds of unscriptual.

 

[prophecyman]

Try learning english and greek.

Baptize means YOU ARE placed into something. Something being placed IN or ON you is called to Anoint.

Yes they were all speaking in tongues then. God had a reason. Later we see people who are saved who does not have the gift. paul even states everyone is only given a gift if it suits Gods purpose. I guess you ignore that!



So paul is a liar when he states he gives SOME to speak in tongues? Wow thanks for telling me that!



Yep. But you still can't get by the fact not everyoine will speak in tongues, even if you believe it is active today.

And your right, if you are not baptized with the Holy Spirit (romans 6 with 1 cor 12) you are not saved. Your wrong if you think everyone who is saved will have all the gifts.

Look I love you, and my only desire is that people get all that is intended for them. Perhaps later down the road you will come to know the joy that I do, I can not convey or import the truth, only the Spirit of truth can do that. Humbly I submit to the who saves, and pray for all men (everyone) always.

I really hope for the fulfillment of your soul in all things, and I must confess that I do not feel comfortable debating Christ, but I do hope that we grow up into him a spiritual house unto the Lord. I hope by these statements that you understand as a minister of the Gospel I can only preach and teach the bible and the love of Jesus Christ. It is my prayer that I have not offended you, but I have learned a long time ago that if you can not stand for what you believe, then its not worth believing in.

 

[Brigitte]

I never understood why the gift of tongues is so much criticized and spoken against its use. Since when is a gift from God rejected? Why the fuss? Why creating a division in the Church from it? Why twisting the Scriptures because of it? This is ridiculous.

I speak in tongues and, just like Paul, am glad I have it and use it.

 

[prophecyman]

I never understood why the gift of tongues is so much criticized and spoken against its use. Since when is a gift from God rejected? Why the fuss? Why creating a division in the Church from it? Why twisting the Scriptures because of it? This is ridiculous.

I speak in tongues and, just like Paul, am glad I have it and use it.

AMEN AND AMEN

 

[Elizabeth619]

Someone tell me what the purpose for speaking in tongues is used for today? And why was it used in the first century?