Tongues???

[Persuaded]

I've news for you ... you're not "praying in the Spirit".
Don't get me wrong ... it's great that you're praying!

FYI ... basically all of the NT church members were baptized with the Holy Spirit
with the initial confirmation of speaking in tongues.
Today's western churches are a whole different animal altogether.
Except for the members inclination to sin!

By who's authority do you judge me as not "praying in the Spirit"?
Do you really believe that God pays more attention to your prayers more than mine just because you pray in a so call "prayer language" and I pray in English?
And by the way, I am just as filled with the Holy Spirit as you claim to be.

 

[ZacharyB]

By who's authority do you judge me as not "praying in the Spirit"?

By the authority of Scripture and spiritual experience.
But, you don't want to be taught anything 'cause you know everything.
Bye.

 

[garee]

Eph_6:18　 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Impossible to do without ones prayer language.

Yes we must use the language we are familiar with. God is no longer bringing any new revelations as interpretations, this would include the manner of tongues.

 

[garee]

By the authority of Scripture and spiritual experience.
But, you don't want to be taught anything 'cause you know everything.
Bye.

I belive a person cannot know God by more than He reveals. We have the complete will of God. Christ d stopped adding to it over two thousand years ago

I would be careful on how you walk . We walk according to the same spirit of faith, as it is written Not by sight according o to our experiences .Experience does not validate the unseen spiritual truth.God's word is.

I think the Son of man in respect to His experiences understood if He would of followed after his experience . He would be in trouble. The Son of man said ;as it is written again and again, the father of lies fled..

Out of the body experiences are simply lying spirits bringing information in as visions of our mind .

 

[Billyd]

Answer this question as if God asked you.

Why do you honestly have to have a special language known only to you?

 

[Billyd]

By the authority of Scripture and spiritual experience.
But, you don't want to be taught anything 'cause you know everything.
Bye.

I don't know your scriptural experience, but I would like to see where, in context, God gives you the authority to speak in a special language that no one else understands.

 

[HisHolly]

What are you talking about?

I belive a person cannot know God by more than He reveals. We have the complete will of God. Christ d stopped adding to it over two thousand years ago

I would be careful on how you walk . We walk according to the same spirit of faith, as it is written Not by sight according o to our experiences .Experience does not validate the unseen spiritual truth.God's word is.

I think the Son of man in respect to His experiences understood if He would of followed after his experience . He would be in trouble. The Son of man said ;as it is written again and again, the father of lies fled..

Out of the body experiences are simply lying spirits bringing information in as visions of our mind .

 

[wanderer6059]

Prophecy and Tongues
1Earnestly pursue love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. 2For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries in the Spirit. 3But he who prophesies speaks to men for their edification, encouragement, and comfort.…

 

[Persuaded]

By the authority of Scripture and spiritual experience.
But, you don't want to be taught anything 'cause you know everything.
Bye.

Never said I know everything. Like you and everyone else on this forum, I have a limited knowledge of God's Holy Word.
As for as being taught, the Holy Spirit that lives within me and every true born again believer teaches me through His Holy Word.
May I suggest that you spent more time in study of the Word and less time in your "prayer language".

 

[notuptome]

Prophecy and Tongues
1Earnestly pursue love and eagerly desire spiritual gifts, especially the gift of prophecy. 2For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men, but to God. Indeed, no one understands him; he utters mysteries in the Spirit. 3But he who prophesies speaks to men for their edification, encouragement, and comfort.…

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.


You imply that the spirit in verse 2 is the Holy Spirit but that is not the only interpretation of the original Greek. The speaker if he speaks in a language unknown to the audience he speaks mysteries because understanding is not communicated due to language barrier. Only God is able to understand the language because God knows all human languages.

Here again is an attempt to create mysticism in scripture when none is intended or implied. The reason for prophesy is to teach forth the word of God and this is how all present are edified, encouraged and comforted. Per verse 3 as presented.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Persuaded]

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.


You imply that the spirit in verse 2 is the Holy Spirit but that is not the only interpretation of the original Greek. The speaker if he speaks in a language unknown to the audience he speaks mysteries because understanding is not communicated due to language barrier. Only God is able to understand the language because God knows all human languages.

Here again is an attempt to create mysticism in scripture when none is intended or implied. The reason for prophesy is to teach forth the word of God and this is how all present are edified, encouraged and comforted. Per verse 3 as presented.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Well said Brother.

 

[wanderer6059]

1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.


You imply that the spirit in verse 2 is the Holy Spirit but that is not the only interpretation of the original Greek. The speaker if he speaks in a language unknown to the audience he speaks mysteries because understanding is not communicated due to language barrier. Only God is able to understand the language because God knows all human languages.

Here again is an attempt to create mysticism in scripture when none is intended or implied. The reason for prophesy is to teach forth the word of God and this is how all present are edified, encouraged and comforted. Per verse 3 as presented.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

προσεύχεσθαι, ψάλλειν, εὐλογεῖν, τῷ πνεύματι,

My spirit prays to Him...

a soul thoroughly roused by the Holy Spirit and wholly intent on divine things, yet destitute of distinct self-consciousness and clear understanding

 

[notuptome]

προσεύχεσθαι, ψάλλειν, εὐλογεῖν, τῷπνεύματι,

My spirit prays to Him...

a soul thoroughly roused by the Holy Spirit and wholly intent on divine things, yet destitute of distinct self-consciousness and clear understanding

Of course it does.

Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[stonesoffire]

That's a pretty brazen comment to make to someone you OBVIOUSLY don't know.

Roger's been on here a long time, and is well known...you? Not so much..

Starting out by questioning someone's relationship with God is generally considered bad form.

I thought it was brazen too and is why I answered him as I did. He questioned me. I've received Acts experience. That is all I asked.

 

[wanderer6059]

Of course it does.

Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

My spirit prays to Him... He gives me the words, sometimes the words are ineligible... the unity of man and Gods spirit as one, and the words go up tho the Father.


a soul thoroughly roused by the Holy Spirit and wholly intent on divine things, yet destitute of distinct self-consciousness and clear understanding

 

[stonesoffire]

My suggestion here is that you do not feel comfortable speaking with God. You feel it necessary to have a special language to talk to God. You feel the need to hide behind all this religious jargon like His baptism.

I'm looking for some sense that you have a relationship and actually know God through His Son Jesus Christ.

God made Adam so He could love him. God sought Adam to talk with him in the garden.

Ge 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

Don't kid yourself. God has given to you the righteousness of His Son and placed your sin upon His Son. Don't create a false sense of piety for yourself. Give God the glory for what He has done.

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

His robes for mine. Oh how can it be? What a wonderful exchange.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Who said anything about righteousness Roger? I said its impossible to pray all the time in the spirit without the gift. That's the only point I was making.

 

[stonesoffire]

Every time I pray, I pray in the Spirit. And by the way, my prayer language is English with an Arky accent and God hears my every word, understands my every word, and always answers.
He understands ALL languages. A special, personal, "prayer" language is not needed. Never has been.

I would think if the Apostles themselves needed this, then I most certainly do too. Why do you not? Why would Paul say that he prayed in spirit moreso than all others? And why would God give something we don't really need?

 

[Grace777x70]

My spirit prays to Him... He gives me the words, sometimes the words are ineligible... the unity of man and Gods spirit as one, and the words go up tho the Father.


a soul thoroughly roused by the Holy Spirit and wholly intent on divine things, yet destitute of distinct self-consciousness and clear understanding

I agree ...it is very clear. There is prayer with the spirit of the believer and with the mind of the believer. There is singing with the spirit and with the mind.

I pray both ways - with my spirit and with my mind to My Lord and Father. I sing both ways too..( altho some would question it is rightfully called singing..lol...but my Father loves it when I sing in the spirit to Him )

1 Corinthians 14:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.

[SUP]15 [/SUP] What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.

 

[stonesoffire]

Answer this question as if God asked you.

Why do you honestly have to have a special language known only to you?

Actually, I didn't ask for it. God gave it as I was worshipping Him. I was not raised Pentecostal. It can be yours too.

However, unbelief will keep us from Gods gifts. And religious thinking hates the anointing. For this is what the gifts are, the anointing of Holy Spirit distributed in different ways.

 

[stonesoffire]

I agree ...it is very clear. There is prayer with the spirit of the believer and with the mind of the believer. There is singing with the spirit and with the mind.

I pray both ways - with my spirit and with my mind to My Lord and Father. I sing both ways too..( altho some would question it is rightfully called singing..lol...but my Father loves it when I sing in the spirit to Him )

1 Corinthians 14:14-15 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.

[SUP]15 [/SUP] What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.

How much clearer can God get? Thank you for posting this!